Rumor: Nvidia HSR
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Mr.IncrediblyBored
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I would settle for some more "official" drivers that aren't crap like all the other leaked ones. It has been 2-1/2 months since the 6.31's, and they aren't that great either. And most of the leaked ones since then are worse than the ones before. Nvidia's drivers look good on paper and in benchmarks, but the Real Word performance and compatibility is nothing but crap.
HSR ???? Yeah right!!!!
Here's an idea. How about getting the regular drivers to work correctly first, before they add more crap that won't work right.
My GTS is probably history pretty soon anyway, so who cares about Nvidia's crap drivers anymore. I'm selling this over-rated card.
Great in meaningless benchmarks, crap in the real world.
Forget'em.
HSR ???? Yeah right!!!!
Here's an idea. How about getting the regular drivers to work correctly first, before they add more crap that won't work right.
My GTS is probably history pretty soon anyway, so who cares about Nvidia's crap drivers anymore. I'm selling this over-rated card.
Great in meaningless benchmarks, crap in the real world.
Forget'em.
<< drivers that aren't crap like all the other leaked ones >>
You are so FULL OF BULLSH1T.
Get your head out of your ass. I've been using Beta drivers since the Riva 128 days and I have never ONCE encountered a driver issue.
Hey man hurry up!!!!!!
Kmart is having a sale on Nvidia sheets and pillowcases. If you promise to never to say anything bad about Nvidia, they give you 50% off.
Kmart is having a sale on Nvidia sheets and pillowcases. If you promise to never to say anything bad about Nvidia, they give you 50% off.
DominoBoy. You are an idiot if you think that the "Real Word performance and compatibility is nothing but crap" on NVIDIA products. That is where NVIDIA does best. I use apps like 3D Studio Max, SoftImage, Solid Edge, Adobe Premier, Adobe Photoshop, MS Office Applications plus countless games. These are real world applications. Trust me. There is no better card out there with better drivers than the NVIDIA line of video cards.
Even for games. I loved my ATI AIW Radeon for OpenGL games but there were to many problems with Direct 3D games, problems which I did not experience with my NVIDIA or 3dfx cards. Some of them are little texture corruptions where they shouldn't be or jerkiness in areas with intense scene, hardly ever did it lock up while playing games but the problems that were there were bothersome enough.
Pidge, you are nothing but an Nvidia fanboy, and your past comments prove it. I've seen you too many times. Anyway, for the record I am talking about games, not the other applications that you mentioned. I realize that you are only a casual gamer Pidge.
But some of us buy a gaming card for......... OH MY GOODNESS......... GAMES........ imagine that.
You know? Games? Little things running around on the screen chasing other little things and shooting them.
But some of us buy a gaming card for......... OH MY GOODNESS......... GAMES........ imagine that.
You know? Games? Little things running around on the screen chasing other little things and shooting them.
i am too, confused about nVidia's driver problems. of myself, and all my friends, there hasnt been *1* issue where switching drivers solved the problem. I know to the world i am but a person, but still...
And Domino Boy, why do you think real world performance sucks ass? I'm running my geforce2mx rather happily, can you please list your reasons and proof why they are so damn crap?
And Domino Boy, why do you think real world performance sucks ass? I'm running my geforce2mx rather happily, can you please list your reasons and proof why they are so damn crap?
Yes I know games. I am going to a lan party this weekend to play...ummm...what's that word? Oh yeah. Games. It isn't necessarily about being a fan of NVIDIA products. It is about defending the NVIDIA cards against ignorant claims from people like you. I do play games as well, although may not as much as you. The only company I attack is ATI because they are the only company that has given me problems lately. If you wish to sell your Geforce 2 GTS, give me a good deal and I will buy it from you. Gamers buy the way are a minority. Most people use their PC's for other things besides games.
Domino: I have never seen you post a problem you've had with your "gf2" in games. Would you like to share with us your problems? Or do you need time to make up more BS?
Pidge. I use my other machine for most of my business stuff, but I have also built a system specifically for games. For you to say that "Gamers are a minority" is a odd thing to say. Compared to what? Sure everybody uses their computer for other things, but if you are running spreadsheets etc. all day long then you don't even need any of these cards we talk about. These cards are designed for gamers. I don't care is serious gamers are considered to be a minority, a majority, or an illegal alien. That's what I am, whatever group it falls into. And I play a wide variety of games. All types, you name it.
I'm not trying to bash Nvidia, I am just giving my opinions and point of view. It bothers me when someone that gives an opinion that is not as "Happy Shiny" as some would like, they are labeled a basher, or Nvidia hater. So by that same token, I have therfore chosen to label the "Happy Shiny" people Nvidia Fanboys.
I'm not trying to bash Nvidia, I am just giving my opinions and point of view. It bothers me when someone that gives an opinion that is not as "Happy Shiny" as some would like, they are labeled a basher, or Nvidia hater. So by that same token, I have therfore chosen to label the "Happy Shiny" people Nvidia Fanboys.
O.K. then. My claim is that the ATI Radeon's are not the perfect video card that many gamers claim it to be. There are a lot of flaws in their drivers. Overall, it is a good card, just not right for me.
Your claim is that NVIDIA is great in meaningless benchmarks, crap in the real world, or at least that is how I understand you. And if you really wish to sell your Geforce 2 GTS at a good price, I am serious when I say I will buy it from you.
Your claim is that NVIDIA is great in meaningless benchmarks, crap in the real world, or at least that is how I understand you. And if you really wish to sell your Geforce 2 GTS at a good price, I am serious when I say I will buy it from you.
OK lsd, since you insist.
The overall performance is nowhere near the performance in the meaningless benchmarks. Higher framerates do not necessarily mean smoother gameplay. The GTS suffers from much greater drops and fluctuations in framerates than the other current cards. I have played extensively with Radeon and Voodoo5, and they have more consistent framerates, and don't suffer the same drastic drops as the GTS. The GTS also suffers from much more stuttering and jerkiness than the other 2 cards. I've seen it. I've played it. I know it to be true. The image quality of my GTS is not nearly as good as either of the other two cards mentioned either. The drivers? Well, the original Detonator 3's were perhaps the sloppiest thing Nvidia ever put out. They were rushed out the door because the other cards were breathing down the GTS's neck, and in many cases beating it. This is where the problem started. There were so many sacrifices made to get those Det3's out the door, that Nvidia has been busy ever since trying to fix all the problems they caused. And most of the leaked drivers have actually decreased my performance slightly. And while they might fix a problem I have with a particular game, they create another one to replace it. There are very few games that the GTS gives me satisfactory performance with, and I guess that's the bottom line eh? On the whole, the card is disappointing to me, and to many other I know.
Oh sure, some Nvidia Fanboy will come along now and try to throw out a bunch of techno babble to show that "Nvidia Rules Dude", but guess what? I don't live or play games in a fantasy world where benchmarks and buzz words make me happy. I live and play in the Real World on a real computer, and the GTS does not make me happy.
Fair enough? Thank You!!!!
The overall performance is nowhere near the performance in the meaningless benchmarks. Higher framerates do not necessarily mean smoother gameplay. The GTS suffers from much greater drops and fluctuations in framerates than the other current cards. I have played extensively with Radeon and Voodoo5, and they have more consistent framerates, and don't suffer the same drastic drops as the GTS. The GTS also suffers from much more stuttering and jerkiness than the other 2 cards. I've seen it. I've played it. I know it to be true. The image quality of my GTS is not nearly as good as either of the other two cards mentioned either. The drivers? Well, the original Detonator 3's were perhaps the sloppiest thing Nvidia ever put out. They were rushed out the door because the other cards were breathing down the GTS's neck, and in many cases beating it. This is where the problem started. There were so many sacrifices made to get those Det3's out the door, that Nvidia has been busy ever since trying to fix all the problems they caused. And most of the leaked drivers have actually decreased my performance slightly. And while they might fix a problem I have with a particular game, they create another one to replace it. There are very few games that the GTS gives me satisfactory performance with, and I guess that's the bottom line eh? On the whole, the card is disappointing to me, and to many other I know.
Oh sure, some Nvidia Fanboy will come along now and try to throw out a bunch of techno babble to show that "Nvidia Rules Dude", but guess what? I don't live or play games in a fantasy world where benchmarks and buzz words make me happy. I live and play in the Real World on a real computer, and the GTS does not make me happy.
Fair enough? Thank You!!!!
BTW, I did not call anybody in this thread an "idiot" or say "pull your head out of your ass", but look at what I get in return. You see why I call you guys Nvidia Fanboys now? I couldn't care less what you say about 3dfx, ati, or matrox
Frankly I am shocked that a kind and gentle person like myself would be attacked and talked to in such a rude way. Shameful, just shameful.
Frankly I am shocked that a kind and gentle person like myself
would be attacked and talked to in such a rude way. Shameful, just shameful.I can see your head is *still* up your ass.. Do I have to restate the question?
In what Games do YOU have P-R-O-B-L-E-M-S with?
I`ll run the game you have, either provide you with a fix, or tell you you're an idiot because there is no problem.
<< Frankly I am shocked that a kind and gentle person like myself would be attacked and talked to in such a rude way. Shameful, just shameful. >>
LOL... did I hurt your feelings?
In what Games do YOU have P-R-O-B-L-E-M-S with?
I`ll run the game you have, either provide you with a fix, or tell you you're an idiot because there is no problem.
<< Frankly I am shocked that a kind and gentle person like myself would be attacked and talked to in such a rude way. Shameful, just shameful. >>
LOL... did I hurt your feelings?
Just a quick rebuttle.
"The overall performance is nowhere near the performance in the meaningless benchmarks. Higher framerates do not necessarily mean smoother gameplay. The GTS suffers from much greater drops and fluctuations in framerates than the other current cards. I have played extensively with Radeon and Voodoo5, and they have more consistent framerates, and don't suffer the same drastic drops as the GTS. The GTS also suffers from much more stuttering and jerkiness than the other 2 cards. I've seen it. I've played it. I know it to be true."
This I might tend to agree if it were OpenGL games. I experienced a lot of fluctuations on Direct 3D games with the ATI AIW Radeon, problems I did not see with my Geforce 2 GTS with the same amount of memory. On Quake III Arena, the ATI AIW Radeon was very good, excellent even (thanks to the full HyperZ which is only available in OpenGL, disabled by default in Direct 3D). Quake II as well. Experienced some random problems with Half Life but only with some textures bleeding through on some occasions. Nothing major.
"The image quality of my GTS is not nearly as good as either of the other two cards mentioned either."
With Quake III Arena, I could not tell a difference. With Unreal Tournament I could. The ATI AIW Radeon did look better with Unreal Tournament than on the Geforce 2 GTS. All of my other games seemed identical.
"The drivers? Well, the original Detonator 3's were perhaps the sloppiest thing Nvidia ever put out. They were rushed out the door because the other cards were breathing down the GTS's neck, and in many cases beating it."
What problems were there? The problem with the KT133 chipset was a Via issue which Via acknowledge and quickly released a patch (Via 403d gart driver) which allowed me to run my old Asus A7V with my old Asus v7700 Geforce 2 GTS. No problems whatsoever after that with the 6.18 drivers.
"This is where the problem started. There were so many sacrifices made to get those Det3's out the door, that Nvidia has been busy ever since trying to fix all the problems they caused. And most of the leaked drivers have actually decreased my performance slightly. And while they might fix a problem I have with a particlur game, they create another one to replace it."
Remember one thing. NVIDIA uses unified drivers. This means the same driver works with all of their products including except for the Riva 128. This means that since 6.31, they have had to add support for their Geforce 2 GO video chip, Geforce 2 Quadro and soon NV20. Adding support for these chips is going to break a lot of these drivers. That is why they are unstable. If you feel so turned off by the leaked drivers, then don't download them. I don't download any leaked drivers. Only the ones provided by NVIDIA or the 3rd party video card manufacturers.
"There are very few games that the GTS gives me satisfactory performance with, and I guess that's the bottom line eh?"
I guess so. If the ATI Radeon makes you happy, more power to you. Just don't crap on my Geforce 2 GTS because that card has made me the happiest.
"The stuttering is a trait inherit to NVIDIA's cards "
O.K. Mr. new 3dfx employee. J/K. Congratulations on your new job Dave.
Goodnight DominoBoy
"The overall performance is nowhere near the performance in the meaningless benchmarks. Higher framerates do not necessarily mean smoother gameplay. The GTS suffers from much greater drops and fluctuations in framerates than the other current cards. I have played extensively with Radeon and Voodoo5, and they have more consistent framerates, and don't suffer the same drastic drops as the GTS. The GTS also suffers from much more stuttering and jerkiness than the other 2 cards. I've seen it. I've played it. I know it to be true."
This I might tend to agree if it were OpenGL games. I experienced a lot of fluctuations on Direct 3D games with the ATI AIW Radeon, problems I did not see with my Geforce 2 GTS with the same amount of memory. On Quake III Arena, the ATI AIW Radeon was very good, excellent even (thanks to the full HyperZ which is only available in OpenGL, disabled by default in Direct 3D). Quake II as well. Experienced some random problems with Half Life but only with some textures bleeding through on some occasions. Nothing major.
"The image quality of my GTS is not nearly as good as either of the other two cards mentioned either."
With Quake III Arena, I could not tell a difference. With Unreal Tournament I could. The ATI AIW Radeon did look better with Unreal Tournament than on the Geforce 2 GTS. All of my other games seemed identical.
"The drivers? Well, the original Detonator 3's were perhaps the sloppiest thing Nvidia ever put out. They were rushed out the door because the other cards were breathing down the GTS's neck, and in many cases beating it."
What problems were there? The problem with the KT133 chipset was a Via issue which Via acknowledge and quickly released a patch (Via 403d gart driver) which allowed me to run my old Asus A7V with my old Asus v7700 Geforce 2 GTS. No problems whatsoever after that with the 6.18 drivers.
"This is where the problem started. There were so many sacrifices made to get those Det3's out the door, that Nvidia has been busy ever since trying to fix all the problems they caused. And most of the leaked drivers have actually decreased my performance slightly. And while they might fix a problem I have with a particlur game, they create another one to replace it."
Remember one thing. NVIDIA uses unified drivers. This means the same driver works with all of their products including except for the Riva 128. This means that since 6.31, they have had to add support for their Geforce 2 GO video chip, Geforce 2 Quadro and soon NV20. Adding support for these chips is going to break a lot of these drivers. That is why they are unstable. If you feel so turned off by the leaked drivers, then don't download them. I don't download any leaked drivers. Only the ones provided by NVIDIA or the 3rd party video card manufacturers.
"There are very few games that the GTS gives me satisfactory performance with, and I guess that's the bottom line eh?"
I guess so. If the ATI Radeon makes you happy, more power to you. Just don't crap on my Geforce 2 GTS because that card has made me the happiest.
"The stuttering is a trait inherit to NVIDIA's cards "
O.K. Mr. new 3dfx employee. J/K. Congratulations on your new job Dave.
Goodnight DominoBoy
LSD, apparently you have not read the post I just made above. The question should be "What game do I NOT have a problem with". While I can eventually fix many of them by deactivating features, or settling for lower resolution, that is not acceptable. BTW, I'm sorry I haven't kept a daily log to show you. Heh!
And lsd, your continued name calling is only proving my point about you. Oh sure you may edit the stuff out, but I already saw it.
Hmmmm. It just dawned on me. A person named LSD is trying to argue with me. He probably thinks this is all some psychedelic trip he is experiencing. DUDE, you are not playing Quake3, you are just clicking on the banner add at the top of the page. Those are not bots, they are just blinking lights and pretty colors!!!!
Look guys, just go to Kmart and pick up those Nvidia sheets & pillowcases and get a good night's sleep. It's 1 A.M. already. Goodnight.
And lsd, your continued name calling is only proving my point about you. Oh sure you may edit the stuff out, but I already saw it.
Hmmmm. It just dawned on me. A person named LSD is trying to argue with me. He probably thinks this is all some psychedelic trip he is experiencing. DUDE, you are not playing Quake3, you are just clicking on the banner add at the top of the page. Those are not bots, they are just blinking lights and pretty colors!!!!
Look guys, just go to Kmart and pick up those Nvidia sheets & pillowcases and get a good night's sleep. It's 1 A.M. already. Goodnight.
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i had a UT error that caused Win2k to bluescreen attributed to NV4disp.dll. now, i may not be the smartest man on the planet, but that looks like a driver issue to me. every time i played UT, when i tried to exit it would bluescreen. now, it may have something to do with Win2k letting video drivers into the kernel space, and nvidia did fix it somewhere along the line, so i'm content with my SDR, but i'm not buying another nvidia card for a long time.
not to mention that my computer crashed every time i encountered a rocket launch in excessive.
not to mention that my computer crashed every time i encountered a rocket launch in excessive.
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