Rumor, Amazon may purchase Palm/WebOS

Dulanic

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Nice 1 billion dollar mistake for HP. I kind of blame HP more than anything with what happened /w touchpad and the rest of the palm business now.
 

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As much as I'd like to someone make a success out of WebOS, I don't think this is a good idea.

Why develop their own OS? They've already taken Android, stripped out all the parts that make money for Google, and replaced them with Amazon's own services. They've even found a way to capitalize on the hundreds of thousands of Android apps: by creating their own app store.

Of course, if Google decides to lock down Android, and/or make it exclusive to their own (Motorola's) hardware down the line, then Amazon would need a plan B.
 

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Of course, if Google decides to lock down Android, and/or make it exclusive to their own (Motorola's) hardware down the line, then Amazon would need a plan B.

Why not just continue developing their own version of Android based on the code that they have now? If Amazon becomes the most popular game in town by a long shot, there's a slight risk that their fork becomes the most popular form of tablet Android and people write apps for it first and then port them to Google Android.

Google already gets enough crap for fragmentation. I have a feeling that they'll want to keep Amazon in the update loop somehow, if only to prevent a full-blown fracture.
 

Dulanic

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Why not just continue developing their own version of Android based on the code that they have now? If Amazon becomes the most popular game in town by a long shot, there's a slight risk that their fork becomes the most popular form of tablet Android and people write apps for it first and then port them to Google Android.

Google already gets enough crap for fragmentation. I have a feeling that they'll want to keep Amazon in the update loop somehow, if only to prevent a full-blown fracture.

Fragmentation this fragmentation that yada yada yada. We have heard that 1,000 times and I don't get the problem. Different types of phones for different people... it is why android is the top mobile OS. How is it any different from PC's? Same bitching same situations, yet PC has been top for 25+ years.

Why should someone with a free phone excepect the same apps and games as someone with a $200 dual core phone? They shouldn't. Just like a $300 PC shouldn't run the same games at the same quality as a $3,000 PC. If everything and everyone was equal and the same in this world... it would be boring as hell and P&N wouldn't be the shithole it is.
 

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Wouldn't Amazon be obligated/required to pay Microsoft royalty fees just like others who dabble in Android?

Depending on projected tablet sales and possible future hostility from Google it may be best if Amazon does shop for an OS just in case.
 

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As much as I'd like to someone make a success out of WebOS, I don't think this is a good idea.

Why develop their own OS? They've already taken Android, stripped out all the parts that make money for Google, and replaced them with Amazon's own services. They've even found a way to capitalize on the hundreds of thousands of Android apps: by creating their own app store.

Of course, if Google decides to lock down Android, and/or make it exclusive to their own (Motorola's) hardware down the line, then Amazon would need a plan B.

See below...

Wouldn't Amazon be obligated/required to pay Microsoft royalty fees just like others who dabble in Android?

Depending on projected tablet sales and possible future hostility from Google it may be best if Amazon does shop for an OS just in case.

There's still royalties to be paid. I'm guessing part of Android licensing that makes it "free" also involves the inclusion of the parts that make Google money. Take those parts out, and you're going to have to pay somehow.
 

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WelshBloke

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Is there that much worth in webOS anyway?

Im guessing theres a bunch of IP there but is there much demand for it as a working OS? I've got a touchpad and its OK but I'd rather it had Android on it.
 

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Fragmentation this fragmentation that yada yada yada. We have heard that 1,000 times and I don't get the problem. Different types of phones for different people... it is why android is the top mobile OS. How is it any different from PC's? Same bitching same situations, yet PC has been top for 25+ years.

This could potentially turn into a completely different situation. Given that Google is keeping 3.x code close to the chest and that Amazon is using 2.x for the Kindle Fire, it's possible that Google won't provide them with an upgrade path. If this turns out to be true and the Kindle is the most popular Android tablet, that means there are fewer tablets running 3+, and more running 2.x. If Amazon can't get any new code from Google, eventually they just start writing their own, essentially forking Android.

This scenario has two effects. First, anyone who wants a cross-compatible app has to write to the lowest common denominator, meaning that it can't take advantage of new features in future versions of Android released by Google. Second, it means that any developer that wants to use the new features in Google Android or any features developed independently for Amazon's version of Android need to spend additional time porting the code or target only one version.

Depending on how sales go, this can use this to get software updates out of Google without actually adding in the Google services. Either way, it's cheaper than purchasing Palm. If they're in a position of power they can use it to their advantage to reduce costs. Google doesn't want to have a Vista on their hands where the majority of consumers run an old version of the OS and developers eschew the new OS because the audience isn't large enough.

The PC industry continues as it has for all those years because there was one company behind they underlying OS. It would be the same situation if Amazon were able to create their own version of Windows from Microsoft's existing code and subsidize PC's at a low cost that came bundled with Amazon's services. Maybe it wouldn't matter if they could do that today, but if they would have been able to do it at a time when the market was small enough that they could easily own more than half of it in a year, it might be a different story.
 

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Why not just continue developing their own version of Android based on the code that they have now? If Amazon becomes the most popular game in town by a long shot, there's a slight risk that their fork becomes the most popular form of tablet Android and people write apps for it first and then port them to Google Android.

Google already gets enough crap for fragmentation. I have a feeling that they'll want to keep Amazon in the update loop somehow, if only to prevent a full-blown fracture.

amazon doesn't care about having the latest version of android as it comes out. as each version is released they will just grab it and make any changes.

i bet the OEM of the tablet they are buying actually does most of this work and they just add their skin and some software
 

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amazon doesn't care about having the latest version of android as it comes out. as each version is released they will just grab it and make any changes.

i bet the OEM of the tablet they are buying actually does most of this work and they just add their skin and some software

But that might just end up annoying Google's other partners who can't afford to subsidize their tablets. Why would Samsung or HTC bother making hardware if Amazon is going to get the same OS and just undercut them on price. They're already having a hard enough time moving Android tablets as is. Amazon just means even fewer sales for them. One of the only competitive points left is having the newer, better OS.
 

alent1234

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HTC doesn't make hardware. companies with names like lucky dragon electronics make the hardware. HTC does system integration and some custom software in SenseUI. a lot of companies make a base version of the hardware in the form of a circuit board or whatever and Apple, HTC and others will build the rest of the product around it.

http://www.pandawill.com/d10p-tablet-pc-7-inch-android-23-hdmi-1ghz-cpu-4gb-black-p50766.html

amazon can take something like this, skin the OS, add some software and they can sell a cheap tablet.
 

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But that might just end up annoying Google's other partners who can't afford to subsidize their tablets. Why would Samsung or HTC bother making hardware if Amazon is going to get the same OS and just undercut them on price. They're already having a hard enough time moving Android tablets as is. Amazon just means even fewer sales for them. One of the only competitive points left is having the newer, better OS.

Excellent point. Google themselves have no reason to want the latest version of Android on a device like the Kindle. It generates no money for Google and in fact undermines the whole point of Android from Google's perspective. And obviously the other OEMs aren't going to be happy about competing with Amazon.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see Google become a lot more restrictive with future versions of Android.
 

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"Like Linus, the thing is, who will license WebOS, Samsung seems unlikely now, HTC would be foolish to do so, the developers for WebOS have likely given up on developing apps...

What does WebOS have now, less than 1% of the market?

Palm was for sale for years before HP bought them, no takers. What has changed? The fact that at a price where the devices actually made $, they didn't sell? Nope, that's already proven. The fact that if yOu sell something for a third of what it cost to make it, you move product? Well, we've proven that now.

What's left? Not much... As I said, let's see where WebOS is in a mere 12 months, and in all likelihood, it'll be dead. I'm not jumping up and down, thrilled at the prospect, but WebOS is likely dead.

Frankly, I don't even understand what you're talking about, That this is some master plan to make WebOS a viable, licensable OS? Palm tried that years ago. Flipping Palm has been in "trouble" ever since I can remember, bought, sold, spun off, you name it, and I was a fan for years. Now I've given up.

Maybe those fools at pre central can buy WebOS, I literally laughed at the first post suggesting that, and there have been a lot of them.

So you think that this is all a master marketing plan by HP to license or sell WebOS?

Looks like supply & demand and the free market to me, and it looks like WebOS is playing taps, waiting to get a few spades of dirt shoveled on the casket.
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this is good news. they may be one of the few companies that could save webos. there is room for another highly polished phone/tablet os but unfortunately so far no one has delivered one with full features and on top notch hardware, so nothing yet has been able to compete with ipad. if amazon can do this and also add their content carrot webos could stand a chance
 

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http://www.bgr.com/2011/09/30/microsofts-android-warpath-will-likely-extend-to-kindle-fire/

Looks like this isn't going to help them. The agreement only covered Kindle e-readers, not Android tablets. MS is already making noise about going after the Kindle Fire.


Oh nice find, Im sure they'll come to an amended agreement, Amazon that the agreement doesnt cover thier new Kindle.

I tihnk it would be a bad move for amazon to move to webOS being able to sideload Android apps makes the fire much more interesting