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sdifox said:
It still annoys me that they would yell Touch Down but there is no requirement to Touch the Ball Down.
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"When the touchdown was introduced into American football in 1876, it did not award a score; instead, it only allowed the offense the chance to kick for goal by placekick from a spot along a line perpendicular to the goal line and passing through the point where the ball was touched down, or through a process known as a "punt-out", where the attacking team would kick the ball from the point where it was touched down to a teammate."
 
Those breaks between plays in GRIDIRON are for the strategies that rugby and soccer just don't have.

Soccer makes no sense to me why it's a spectator sport, it's dull as all hell and should be limited to a cardio workout at your local park.

Rugby at least does have some entertainment value to it.
 
Shlong said:
"When the touchdown was introduced into American football in 1876, it did not award a score; instead, it only allowed the offense the chance to kick for goal by placekick from a spot along a line perpendicular to the goal line and passing through the point where the ball was touched down, or through a process known as a "punt-out", where the attacking team would kick the ball from the point where it was touched down to a teammate."
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Yeah, football used to involve much more kicking than it does now.

I watched part of a recorded rugby match through the ESPN3 feature on my Xbox a few weeks ago. It was pretty cool. I didn't get a lot of it but once the game started going it was fun. Didn't understand the "scrum" at all, but once one team started lateraling it to each other instead of just punting over and over it got interesting. If it got any decent airtime in the US, I'd definitely consider watching it.

Then I tried watching a soccer match. What a waste of time. Within a minute guys were diving and flopping all over the place trying to draw penalties. I had always heard about this and saw funny YouTube videos but I didn't realize how common it actually was.
 
Mike Gayner said:
Rugby is vastly more popular than American handegg. Just not in America.
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I don't know, we have many states that are bigger than your island.

Hell, I think the Superbowl still manages to hit the top 5 of world sports viewership broadcasts. behind world cup, Olympics, probably some Cricket bullshit.

not that I understand why people outside of North America watch it, but it seems that they do.
 
AstroManLuca said:
I watched part of a recorded rugby match through the ESPN3 feature on my Xbox a few weeks ago. It was pretty cool. I didn't get a lot of it but once the game started going it was fun. Didn't understand the "scrum" at all, but once one team started lateraling it to each other instead of just punting over and over it got interesting. If it got any decent airtime in the US, I'd definitely consider watching it.
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A scrum is a way of restarting play after a "minor" infraction -- usually a forward pass, or otherwise knocking the ball forward with the hands. If the Red team passes the ball forward, Blue will get the "put-in" for the scrum, which means they can have an advantage that increases their likelihood of retaining posession. As is almost always the case in rugby, there is a chance for the penalized team to recover possession, even though they are disadvantaged.

After the packs bind together and engage in the scrum, the halfback feeds the ball between the packs, and the ball is quickly swept back to the rear-most player -- the 8 man. As the ball is being swept back, the halfback moves to the rear of the scrum to recover the ball from under the 8-man and bring it out into open play. Occasionally, the 8-man will quickly pick the ball up and have a run with it himself, however.
 
zinfamous said:
I don't know, we have many states that are bigger than your island.
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If we're just comparing geographical area, I think the territory claimed by rugby would greatly outsize gridiron.

Incidentally, Cal has the very best collegiate rugby program in the United States.
 
AstroManLuca said:
Yeah, football used to involve much more kicking than it does now.

I watched part of a recorded rugby match through the ESPN3 feature on my Xbox a few weeks ago. It was pretty cool. I didn't get a lot of it but once the game started going it was fun. Didn't understand the "scrum" at all, but once one team started lateraling it to each other instead of just punting over and over it got interesting. If it got any decent airtime in the US, I'd definitely consider watching it.

Then I tried watching a soccer match. What a waste of time. Within a minute guys were diving and flopping all over the place trying to draw penalties. I had always heard about this and saw funny YouTube videos but I didn't realize how common it actually was.
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No one really understands the scrum, and what it's supposed to be, it isn't (a contest).
Referees don't referee it properly and players get away with all sorts of crap, it's a broken part of the game at the moment.
 
zinfamous said:
football is about strategy.

rugby is a big glorious mess.
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There is actually a lot of strategy involved in rugby, too, but Americans are so lost on the rules of rugby that they can't even begin to grasp the strategy.

That, and the strategy that is employed is much more "on the fly" instead of always pre-programmed as in gridiron. It puts more demands on every player to make strategic decisions in the middle of play rather than simply running this route or following that blocker.

Oh yeah and about blocking -- it's for sissies. :awe:
 
Lonyo said:
No one really understands the scrum, and what it's supposed to be, it isn't (a contest).
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Personally, I think referees need to pay more attention to the put-in. Feeding the scrum is supposed to be illegal, but everyone just does it anyway and takes it for granted.

Referees don't referee it properly and players get away with all sorts of crap, it's a broken part of the game at the moment.
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Our refs have told us that IRB is instructing them to introduce a varied cadence on the engage so front rows aren't anticipating it. We played with one ref that actually DID it, and it was a real pain in the ass, and I think it's less safe.
 
I think i found proof why some people in this thread like Rugby

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Cerpin Taxt said:
There is actually a lot of strategy involved in rugby, too, but Americans are so lost on the rules of rugby that they can't even begin to grasp the strategy.

That, and the strategy that is employed is much more "on the fly" instead of always pre-programmed as in gridiron. It puts more demands on every player to make strategic decisions in the middle of play rather than simply running this route or following that blocker.

Oh yeah and about blocking -- it's for sissies. :awe:
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Yea, that's generally what people say when they don't know much about football.
 
I caught a few minutes of rugby yesterday, I liked it. I could get into watching that if there was a good US league.
 
Cerpin Taxt said:
There is actually a lot of strategy involved in rugby, too, but Americans are so lost on the rules of rugby that they can't even begin to grasp the strategy.

That, and the strategy that is employed is much more "on the fly" instead of always pre-programmed as in gridiron. It puts more demands on every player to make strategic decisions in the middle of play rather than simply running this route or following that blocker.

Oh yeah and about blocking -- it's for sissies. :awe:
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do yourself a favor and try to inform yourself based on the evidence. (I know that is your thing 😉).

Football is, by far, the least pussy sport out there (sanctioned, anyway. I'm sure there are some gator-wrasslin leagues or something.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/01/31/110131fa_fact_mcgrath


To me, Rugby is like Hockey--same sort of on-the-fly strategy is needed. I'm not saying there isn't strategy, but it is nothing like Football. no way.

i think it's a matter of understanding what is really going on or not. I certainly don't know the rules of Rugby, but the few games I have seen on TV recently (college, iirc), involved a team marching down the field every five seconds just tossing the ball from side to side to side and scoring on every attempt. toss, run, toss, avoid, toss, score.

that was it. It was like, if you have the ball, you score. I didn't get it. :\
 
Cerpin Taxt said:
If we're just comparing geographical area, I think the territory claimed by rugby would greatly outsize gridiron.

Incidentally, Cal has the very best collegiate rugby program in the United States.
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ah, maybe that's why the recent game I watched (it was Cal, I'm pretty sure), they just kept scoring and the poor saps on the other team couldn't do anything. 😀
 
Cerpin Taxt said:
Whatever you say, dude. I'm sure you're a real expert on both. :thumbsup:
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I'm not and I never claimed to be, my point was that what you said shows that you don't know as much about football as you think you do.

Or maybe you're so lost on the rules of football that you can't even begin to grasp the strategy.
 
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Cerpin Taxt said:
Personally, I think referees need to pay more attention to the put-in. Feeding the scrum is supposed to be illegal, but everyone just does it anyway and takes it for granted.


Our refs have told us that IRB is instructing them to introduce a varied cadence on the engage so front rows aren't anticipating it. We played with one ref that actually DID it, and it was a real pain in the ass, and I think it's less safe.
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I can't remember if it was 6 Nations or a Premiership game from the weekend, but one player did a one handed put-in to the scrum directly to his side. The ref called that one because it was an utter joke of a put-in, but most of the other not-straights were given a free pass. At least they were 2 handed though.
 
JD50 said:
I'm not and I never claimed to be, my point was that what you said shows that you don't know as much about football as you think you do.

Or maybe you're so lost on the rules of football that you can't even begin to grasp the strategy.
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surfsatwerk said:
Well what you said is a pretty horrible stereotype that anyone who has any experience with the sport of football would know is total nonsense.
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I think you guys misunderstood what I said, because I know I did not say anything false.

I did not say that there is no "on the fly" strategy in gridiron. I said that the strategy of rugby is more "on the fly" focused than gridiron -- and it is, simply because the nature of play in rugby is more continuous, with fewer opportunities to huddle up and plan the next play.

I'm not contending that there is less strategy in gridiron, either. I'm simply saying that there is more in rugby than people suppose.

But having said all that if you still wanna be butthurt because you think I insulted a sport you don't even play, well... that's just fine with me. :thumbsup:
 
zinfamous said:
ah, maybe that's why the recent game I watched (it was Cal, I'm pretty sure), they just kept scoring and the poor saps on the other team couldn't do anything. 😀
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Watching Cal play any other team that isn't relatively top-tier would probably give you a warped perception of what competitive rugby is really like, indeed.
 
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