Rubio: No abortions for Zika-infected women

[TheSiege]

I dont agree with him, but I respect his position. If you view a fetus as life, no matter what stage, I feel like you should be 100% pro choice, or 100% against abortion no matter what.

 

[JSt0rm]

splitting migraines for the next 60 years of your miserable retarded life? lol. Thinking people understand there are grey areas in issues that are so complicated.

 

[preCRT]

You are as cruel and beyond stupid as Rubio.

I dont agree with him, but I respect his position. If you view a fetus as life, no matter what stage, I feel like you should be 100% pro choice, or 100% against abortion no matter what.

 

[JSt0rm]

cruel and stupid people need a candidate too!

 

[preCRT]

Seems they already have an abundance of cruel & stupid candidates: Trump, Cruz, Rubio. Not to mention the departed Carson, Santorum, Huckabee, etc.

 

[glenn1]

Why does OP even care what a losing POTUS candidate thinks? If we started a new thread for each bad idea come up with by both Democratic and Republican failed presidential candidates then ATPN would need a fleet of new servers and zettabyes of disc space to hold them.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Why does OP even care what a losing POTUS candidate thinks? If we started a new thread for each bad idea come up with by both Democratic and Republican failed presidential candidates then ATPN would need a fleet of new servers and zettabyes of disc space to hold them.

Why do you care about what OP cares about?

 

[glenn1]

Why do you care about what OP cares about?

Because stupid politician saying something stupid isn't particularly newsworthy.

 

[dawp]

Why does OP even care what a losing POTUS candidate thinks? If we started a new thread for each bad idea come up with by both Democratic and Republican failed presidential candidates then ATPN would need a fleet of new servers and zettabyes of disc space to hold them.

maybe because he's still in the senate and running for re-election.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Because stupid politician saying something stupid isn't particularly newsworthy.

That doesn't answer the question.

 

[JSt0rm]

I just love that they delay funding to fight it and then say if you contract it you should have a life of misery. lol.

 

[preCRT]

They aren't pro-life, they are pro-birth.

 

[MovingTarget]

Why does OP even care what a losing POTUS candidate thinks? If we started a new thread for each bad idea come up with by both Democratic and Republican failed presidential candidates then ATPN would need a fleet of new servers and zettabyes of disc space to hold them.

Thats an easy one. Losing candidate ≠ former candidate. There's always a chance that said stupidity could be POTUS next year. This isn't a time to spike the ball at the 1 yard line.

 

[Cozarkian]

They aren't pro-life, they are pro-birth.

That is somewhat accurate. It reminds me of the wildlife videographers code - observe, but never interfere - applied to human birth.

 

[JSt0rm]

That is somewhat accurate. It reminds me of the wildlife videographers code - observe, but never interfere - applied to human birth.

 

[some_guy]

splitting migraines for the next 60 years of your miserable retarded life? lol. Thinking people understand there are grey areas in issues that are so complicated.

The orgasm from a black and white to grey areas is one aspect that makes this topic interesting to me. Zika seems to be increasing the signal to noise ratio of what is behind the grey areas, making possible embodiment of grey area thinking where there wasn't before.

Some pro-lifers get to that point after getting pregnant. A Planned Parenthood guidance session can help sort things out because it is open to more emerging grey areas, verses say a pro-life guidance session.

For the process of letting go of black and white can be quite humbling, emotional and challenging. And it can also mean people attempting to amp up the structural integrity of the black or white, as distasteful as that is, which of course also happens in politics.

 

[some_guy]

http://www.eclectablog.com/2016/06/...d-use-a-real-pro-life-movement-right-now.html

So funding for Zika vaccine is real pro-life.

 

[Atreus21]

Pro-lifers are generally opposed to killing those with birth-defects. Pro-abortion folks have known this for years.

What exactly is new about this?

 

[Atreus21]

Every child healthy. And every unhealthy child, dead.

It's so nice of the pro-abortion crown to decide who should die, on behalf of those they're killing, and for their own good.

 

[DrPizza]

Every child healthy. And every unhealthy child, dead.

It's so nice of the pro-abortion crown to decide who should die, on behalf of those they're killing, and for their own good.

What the hell are you babbling about? The comment you appear to be replying to is one linked to an article that shows we're on the cusp of having a vaccine for Zika, yet the Republicans decided to leave on their break without funding measures in the US to combat this virus, and the author of the article is calling on the pro-life crowd to actually put their money where their mouth is. There has already been one birth to a baby in the US who suffered birth defects due to zika - the baby died shortly after birth. It's even been suggested that the Republicans intentionally didn't fund measures to combat zika for two reasons:
1. To oppose Obama on an issue
2. To make the problem worse so they can blame Obama

There is only 1 other possible reason they haven't funded the fight against Zika: complete incompetence.

Further, stopping the virus would likely prevent abortions - there are people out there who would happily have the baby, but if it's found to have birth defects due to zika, would likely abort the baby.

 

[interchange]

I cannot fathom how anyone can possibly feel they possess authority enough on when life begins, either in soul or in science, that they could claim their authority to be objective and universally correct. And, subsequently, to wish to mandate their authority upon others.

 

[DrPizza]

I dont agree with him, but I respect his position. If you view a fetus as life, no matter what stage, I feel like you should be 100% pro choice, or 100% against abortion no matter what.

Would you deny that sperm are alive? (Yes, they're as alive as any other living cell in your body.) If so, then you should be 100% against wasting them.
(Cue Monty Python)

 

[Jaskalas]

Anti-abortionists occupy a minority opinion position of insufficient strength to change the Constitution which is what it would take to ban abortion.

It does not change the Constitution to recognize the rights of the child, and then apply a balanced approach that does not wantonly murder without due cause.

No you are simply factually incorrect. My hair is human but it is not a person. My skin cells are human but they are not a person. A HeLa cell culture is human but it is not a person. This isn't a matter of opinion or any sensible debate. All persons are human but not all that is human is a person. A person is human, and born, and alive.

A tangled web of excuses for murder. Is this so personal for you, perhaps having done it multiple times? Sorry if being judged isn't to your liking, but that's what this is. "A person is a..." sounds a lot like Dred Scott. The crimes against humanity made by the SCOTUS are sometimes undone after the American people grow a bigger conscience and a moral character.

Did you really just compare a fetus of 9 months to that of a cell, or a piece of hair? Really? I think back to what murderers might think of their victims. Again, I ask you of late term abortion. Are you so adamantly standing behind killing a child that is viable outside the womb? Yes, that fetus is a child. It is a human. It is a person. It is all those things and more. But a person who takes life would feel mighty uncomfortable admitting that of their victims.

The fact is that there are no "children" in wombs. You are being dishonest in representing the position of pro choice advocates...

I speak for my position, and I ask for you to speak for yours.
I will not apologize if my position is upsetting you. In this forum, you may encounter people with whom you disagree.

 

[Jaskalas]

I dont agree with him, but I respect his position. If you view a fetus as life, no matter what stage, I feel like you should be 100% pro choice, or 100% against abortion no matter what.

To be 100% one or the other makes no sense.

Being born does not change the child. It cannot be a black and white issue as we have no meaningful distinction between those we choose to protect and those we do not. Each successive trimester is much more important than the previous in terms of fetal development, and viability. I find the moral question scales with age. At some point the "clump of cells" argument is absolutely correct. Then at an undetermined point later, it is no longer true.

Granted, my fixation on the heartbeat makes it very early, if not impossible to determine pregnancy and then "cleanly" abort in time. But I am perfectly comfortable with the morning after pill, and I find a compromise involves banning (Obvious exceptions for health) late term abortion, maybe second term, and allowing it in the first term. If only because that is a compromise for the current state of the nation and society at large. Essentially, we have no better answer than that even if we'd like one.

Do I consider it a bit immoral still? Maybe... but it'd be a lot less than the current state of things. And I think applying pressure to abort early is best. If we can't stop you, then please do it before the child suffers.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Every child healthy. And every unhealthy child, dead.

It's so nice of the pro-abortion crown to decide who should die, on behalf of those they're killing, and for their own good.

As I've aged I've become more friendly to the pro-life agenda and honestly its very kind for willing parents to take a life long and more commitment to care. This even goes into care after they die. Its hard not to admire that love & commitment.
This does not mean I'm not pro-choice. A baby born so ill that they have a short painful existence isn't right either. Do you want to be kept alive unable to move and attached to various machines indefinitely? When is keeping you alive more about family comfort than your comfort? These are difficult questions that I'm not going to answer for somebody else.