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moonbogg

moonbogg

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My prediction: The entire generation will be 2-3X msrp on ebay and at retailers. RTX 3000 series will be sold along side the 4000 series because only a few will be buying RTX 4000 series who are willing to pay $1500 for what should be a $300 RTX 4060. Not enough supply to meet demand by a long shot, pricing will be through the Oort cloud. PC gaming is dead. Your thoughts?
 
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I right now have a Ryzen 5800x and GTX 1080 Ti in my system. I had my 1080 Ti for 6 years. I'm considering upgrading to either a RTX 4090 or 4080 (16GB). I have a Seasonic 850W power supply. I have to consider that It's not only the $400 more over the 4080 (16GB), it's the cost of purchasing a new power supply as well if my current power supply won't be adequate for the 4090, so it could end up being a little over $600 (including sales tax) more than if I were to purchase the 4080 (16GB) and continue using my current power supply. One thing is for sure, I want at least 16GB VRAM for my next video card. If my current power supply is enough for the 4090, then I would be getting the 4090 instead of the 4080 (16GB).
 
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Harry_Wild

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Dave3000 said:
I right now have a Ryzen 5800x and GTX 1080 Ti in my system. I had my 1080 Ti for 6 years. I'm considering upgrading to either a RTX 4090 or 4080 (16GB). I have a Seasonic 850W power supply. I have to consider that It's not only the $400 more over the 4080 (16GB), it's the cost of purchasing a new power supply as well if my current power supply won't be adequate for the 4090, so it could end up being a little over $600 (including sales tax) more than if I were to purchase the 4080 (16GB) and continue using my current power supply. One thing is for sure, I want at least 16GB VRAM for my next video card. If my current power supply is enough for the 4090, then I would be getting the 4090 instead of the 4080 (16GB).
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No worry, EVA having is sale on power supplies! Some are half price! Amazon has same price too.
 
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Aapje said:
According to Nvidia they tamed the power spikes, so these cards should need less additional headroom above the TDP.
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It's nice that they've improved their PCB, but I'd still wait for actual reviews.

Luckily, the better websites now measure spikes.

Reviews of each model from the various OEMs is now important as cutting back on extra capacitors on the power delivery part of their model's PCB is something they could do.
 
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igor_kavinski

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We may start seeing special high end Nvidia edition mobos with quad slot clearance for the 4090s. With a card this big, they should have created an external enclosure with its own PSU.
 
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igor_kavinski said:
We may start seeing special high end Nvidia edition mobos with quad slot clearance for the 4090s. With a card this big, they should have created an external enclosure with its own PSU.
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Yeah then the price would at least be justified somewhat :eek:

The size and power-use of these cards it just insane. I remember when the fan of my ati 9500 pro broke. could just order any 60mm replacement fan.
 
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sze5003

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Dave3000 said:
I right now have a Ryzen 5800x and GTX 1080 Ti in my system. I had my 1080 Ti for 6 years. I'm considering upgrading to either a RTX 4090 or 4080 (16GB). I have a Seasonic 850W power supply. I have to consider that It's not only the $400 more over the 4080 (16GB), it's the cost of purchasing a new power supply as well if my current power supply won't be adequate for the 4090, so it could end up being a little over $600 (including sales tax) more than if I were to purchase the 4080 (16GB) and continue using my current power supply. One thing is for sure, I want at least 16GB VRAM for my next video card. If my current power supply is enough for the 4090, then I would be getting the 4090 instead of the 4080 (16GB).
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I went from a 1080ti for 6 years to a 3080ti and I had a seasonic 850w PSU. Because of transient load spikes my PC would reboot during gaming sessions.

I replaced the seasonic x850 with a EVGA G6 1000w PSU and never had an issue since. I would definitely change the PSU if you get a 4090.

I'm trying to think if I will need a new one too if I happen to have the ability to get a 4090 on launch. Pretty sure the G6 doesn't have the new adapters either.
 
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DrMrLordX

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Aapje said:
If the PSU doesn't have the next-gen connector, and it doesn't, then you need an adapter.

However, the adapters convert three 8 pins to one 16 pin.
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I'm not talking about the PSU, I'm talking about the card. Though if they have adapters in reverse, then I suppose a PSU with a 16-pin connector can service multiple 8-pin connectors on a card using the older standard.

edit: actually it looks like the 4090 Founders Edition has a 16-pin connector:

www.tweaktown.com

NVIDIA details its new GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition graphics card

NVIDIA upgrades its GeForce RTX 40 series Founders Edition graphics cards: optimized fans, upgraded 23-phase power, ATX 3.0-ready PCIe Gen5 16-pin power.
www.tweaktown.com www.tweaktown.com

So that clears up my confusion.
 
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Artorias

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That's insane. Why does it feel like GPU's are evolving backwards. In this era of inflation the last thing you want is more power hungry appliances.

I'm going to stick to my 1080 Ti for a few more years, aside from RTX which doesn't interest me it still handles everything at 1440P very well.

Are the new gen PCIE connectors going to transfer power? Adding more cabling to a GPU is just going backwards.
 
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DrMrLordX

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Harry_Wild said:
Video talks about the 1 to 4 power cable adopter.
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It's really more about the PCIe 3.0 spec 16-pin connectors in general. They seem fragile and prone to failure. Cable bends and removing/reinstalling the power cables can reduce cable lifespan. NV observed melting of the 16-pin power connector at the PSU end during testing with their 4090 as well. Whoever designed the connector may have goofed.
 
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igor_kavinski

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It's time for these people to accept that high power GPUs need their own special mobos and these mobos should have a very different PCIe slot that also provides all the power that the GPU needs. The power connector needs to be located on the mobo so the card can pull all the power it needs from the mobo's specialized GPU PCIe slot. Less cable clutter would be a side benefit.

Now get to work, you lazy Nvidia engineers! I'm sick of all your excuses. First there were transient power spikes. Then new connectors. Then talk of ATX 3.0 PSUs for your damn power sucking GPUs. Now you idiots insist on having fat RTX 4000 bricks installed inside the PC. Get back to work and come out only when you have something that resembles something approaching sanity and most of all, common sense!!! :mad:
 
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Stuka87 said:
4090's actually required FOUR 8 pin power connectors.
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The Spec is 600 W, so naturally if you are using an adapter you'd want it to be 4x8-pin. You wouldn't want 600 W on one side and er... 300 W each.... to an 8-pin that's only rated for 150.

From what I've seen there are 450 W models and there are 600 W for the 4090. Whether it's even useful to increase the power limit that high remains to be seen.
 
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biostud

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Are we sure it is nvidia solely who are pushing the prices and not also TSMC? At the current state of affairs they have monopoly in bleeding edge GPU production.
 
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Stuka87

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biostud said:
Are we sure it is nvidia solely who are pushing the prices and not also TSMC? At the current state of affairs they have monopoly in bleeding edge GPU production.
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We know TSMC's prices did go up. They made that all public. However, the percentage increase of the chips does not make up the price increase on the entire card. We are talking about a $500 price increase from the 3080 to the 4080 (16GB, because we all know that 12GB is a renamed 4070). The 12GB is still $200 more (699 to 899).
 
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Dave3000

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sze5003 said:
I went from a 1080ti for 6 years to a 3080ti and I had a seasonic 850w PSU. Because of transient load spikes my PC would reboot during gaming sessions.

I replaced the seasonic x850 with a EVGA G6 1000w PSU and never had an issue since. I would definitely change the PSU if you get a 4090.

I'm trying to think if I will need a new one too if I happen to have the ability to get a 4090 on launch. Pretty sure the G6 doesn't have the new adapters either.
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Maybe I'll just buy the 3090 Ti when the 4000 series cards are out. If I'm going to need a new power supply even for the 3080 Ti, I might as well spend the $200 extra and get the 3090 Ti, especially if I think I'm going to need more than 12GB VRAM. I'm thinking of either getting the Seasonic GX-1000 or the Asus ROG Strix 1000w.
 
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