Question RTX 4000/RX 7000 price speculation thread

[moonbogg]

My prediction: The entire generation will be 2-3X msrp on ebay and at retailers. RTX 3000 series will be sold along side the 4000 series because only a few will be buying RTX 4000 series who are willing to pay $1500 for what should be a $300 RTX 4060. Not enough supply to meet demand by a long shot, pricing will be through the Oort cloud. PC gaming is dead. Your thoughts?

 

[pakotlar]

The demand for nvidia GPUs and all GPUs has already proven to be incredibly elastic, there's no point in stating otherwise.

I think you mean inelastic. Prices have been climbing for years, as has demand, and during the past 2 years, demand was flat despite insanely high prices. That is a clearly inelastic good: one for which demand is invariant to price. In the current recession, gpus and other computer parts are going to be more elastic.

 

[dlerious]

C'mon man, what is this constant stuff here. Scalpers are gone, you can go buy stuff on ebay for a good deal below MSRP, the world changed again and doesn't look like it's going back to the bad days anytime soon. We could all use the good news and be happy about it after two years of bad.

What do you consider a good deal? I haven't checked in a while, but for me it would be 60% of MSRP for used 30 series.

 

[sze5003]

C'mon man, what is this constant stuff here. Scalpers are gone, you can go buy stuff on ebay for a good deal below MSRP, the world changed again and doesn't look like it's going back to the bad days anytime soon. We could all use the good news and be happy about it after two years of bad.

Sure we would all love that. But I've also seen each generation the prices have substantially gone up. They have also almost never been the retail announced price during the presentation. The last two years have also shown that even with shortages every 30 series card was snatched up. I'm not talking about bots or scripts specifically because Nvidia doesn't care how the cards are obtained as long as they sell and money is coming in. These prices aren't going to be going back down to where you could get a Ti level card for example for what a 1080Ti cost when it first came out.

 

[moonbogg]

Sure we would all love that. But I've also seen each generation the prices have substantially gone up. They have also almost never been the retail announced price during the presentation. The last two years have also shown that even with shortages every 30 series card was snatched up. I'm not talking about bots or scripts specifically because Nvidia doesn't care how the cards are obtained as long as they sell and money is coming in. These prices aren't going to be going back down to where you could get a Ti level card for example for what a 1080Ti cost when it first came out.

People have been conditioned to expect the best cards to be over $1000. Soon the 80 class will be $1000 and people will accept that and the 70 class will be $800 and people will accept that and the 60 class will be $600 and people will accept that and a new 90 class is already $1500 and people accepted that and it will soon be $2000 and people will accept that and the 90ti class will be $2500+ and people will accept that. Prices will keep climbing if people keep paying and it absolutely will not stop.

 

[igor_kavinski]

AFOX registers NVIDIA GeForce RTX 40 and AMD Radeon RX 7000 series at EEC - VideoCardz.com

No RX 7400.

 

[Leeea]

People have been conditioned to expect the best cards to be over $1000. Soon the 80 class will be $1000 and people will accept that and the 70 class will be $800 and people will accept that and the 60 class will be $600 and people will accept that and a new 90 class is already $1500 and people accepted that and it will soon be $2000 and people will accept that and the 90ti class will be $2500+ and people will accept that. Prices will keep climbing if people keep paying and it absolutely will not stop.

For what you get though, it is a great price!


The other day I realized just filling my boat with gas costs around $260. Looking at motorcycles the other day, not cheap either. New side by sides? ouch. Canoe? yea. Camping? When did that get expensive.


With the exception of TV, Any other activity or entertainment is far more expensive.

 

[dlerious]

People have been conditioned to expect the best cards to be over $1000. Soon the 80 class will be $1000 and people will accept that and the 70 class will be $800 and people will accept that and the 60 class will be $600 and people will accept that and a new 90 class is already $1500 and people accepted that and it will soon be $2000 and people will accept that and the 90ti class will be $2500+ and people will accept that. Prices will keep climbing if people keep paying and it absolutely will not stop.

Not me. I was OK with the $650-$700 for the 780Ti, 980Ti, and 1080Ti. Skipped the 20 series due to price and I would've reluctantly paid the $700 for a 3080 if I could've got one. Now I'll probably end up buying a couple used 3080 models when they drop to the $450 mark. I'm out after that, got tired of waiting and upgraded 2 machines except for GPUs.

 

[amenx]

Kind of glad the GPU shortage crisis over the past couple years occurred. From it I've learned I can easily skip a gen without upgrading. This way, even tho prices have risen, I'm perhaps spending less than before. And getting a much more satisfying upgrade. Instead of a 50-60% performance boost, I would get a 100-120% gain by skipping a gen.

 

[biostud]

Kind of glad the GPU shortage crisis over the past couple years occurred. From it I've learned I can easily skip a gen without upgrading. This way, even tho prices have risen, I'm perhaps spending less than before. And getting a much more satisfying upgrade. Instead of a 50-60% performance boost, I would get a 100-120% gain by skipping a gen.

I feel you, upgrading from a 1070 to a RTX 4080 or 7800XT

 

[dlerious]

I feel you, upgrading from a 1070 to a RTX 4080 or 7800XT

I just upgraded To a 1070 from a 970 🙂 . It was that or an RX580 until I get something newer.

 

[biostud]

I just upgraded To a 1070 from a 970 🙂 . It was that or an RX580 until I get something newer.

My old 7990 died in the last mining craze, so I had to get a new card. Luckily I could find this one @ MSRP.

 

[biostud]

How much do the rest of a video card cost compared to the GPU?

For the RX 7800XT (if it is 256-bit 16GB GDDR6) wouldn't the cost of the rest of the components be similar to the 6900XT? Sure it might need a little beefier power delivery, but otherwise it could be more or less the same PCB?

 

[dlerious]

How much do the rest of a video card cost compared to the GPU?

For the RX 7800XT (if it is 256-bit 16GB GDDR6) wouldn't the cost of the rest of the components be similar to the 6900XT? Sure it might need a little beefier power delivery, but otherwise it could be more or less the same PCB?

Only rumor I've seen has the 7900XT at $1199.

 

[biostud]

So is AMD going into a price war this round to gain market shares? (crosses fingers)
If their cards are significantly cheaper to produce than nvidias.

 

[Leeea]

So is AMD going into a price war this round to gain market shares? (crosses fingers)
If their cards are significantly cheaper to produce than nvidias.

AMD is going to try and make as much profit as they can.

Thing is, bear market, cheap used cards, AMD has a lot of incentive to price aggressively. Less price war and more priced to move inventory.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

AMD needs and wants to make profit. They don't really need to go for price war for more market share when they already have both Sony and Microsoft using their chips in consoles.
They have a lot of products on 5nm, so It's not like GPU production is their priority, they should have no problem selling GPUs they make, at worst they will lower prices or reallocate wafers to CPUs if Nvidia will end up much better or something.

 

[Aapje]

AMD needs and wants to make profit. They don't really need to go for price war for more market share when they already have both Sony and Microsoft using their chips in consoles.

The problem with consoles it that it's a very on/off scenario. Either they get the contract and sell tons of chips, or they lose the contract and sell nothing. Also, it doesn't give them a lot of consumer reputation.

A ton of gamers still won't consider AMD and/or have prejudices about the drivers and such. So this can be a great opportunity to change that by offering much better performance/price, while still making a decent profit. Basically, it would be an investment in the future.

 

[DrMrLordX]

AMD needs and wants to make profit. They don't really need to go for price war for more market share when they already have both Sony and Microsoft using their chips in consoles.
They have a lot of products on 5nm, so It's not like GPU production is their priority, they should have no problem selling GPUs they make, at worst they will lower prices or reallocate wafers to CPUs if Nvidia will end up much better or something.

There's also the news that several companies have been cancelling their wafer orders, at least partially. That gives AMD the opportunity to bid on more wafers in the N5 family if the market gives them the opportunity to sell in greater volume. Though they might not move those extra wafers into the GPU space.

 

[jpiniero]

As I've been saying, AMD is all about ASP now. Going cheap to try to gain share might have been the plan with RDNA 2 (hence nVidia pricing 3080 at "$699" in a proactive move), but mining made that moot.

If there's a place for AMD to be aggressive, it's with Dragon Range+N33 gaming laptops. But that should be compelling on it's own so a price war shouldn't be necessary.

 

[moonbogg]

Why do people think the 3080 being $700 was such a great deal? The GTX 1080 was $600 and the 2000 series was a joke, so what are they comparing the 3080 to? It was just faster so they raise the price and that's fine? What if the 4080 is faster than the 3080? I suppose a cost of $900 makes sense then, yeah? If I were in charge of pricing at Nvidia and everyone said $700 was a super hyper bargain for the 3080, I'd make the 4080 cost $1000. If it blows away the 3090 at $500 less, everyone will lose their minds and say it's a super steal. Then next gen I'd charge $1500 for the 5080. I'd just keep doing that until those idiot gamers stopped bragging about how underpriced my products are.

 

[KompuKare]

Why do people think the 3080 being $700 was such a great deal? The GTX 1080 was $600 and the 2000 series was a joke, so what are they comparing the 3080 to? It was just faster so they raise the price and that's fine? What if the 4080 is faster than the 3080? I suppose a cost of $900 makes sense then, yeah? If I were in charge of pricing at Nvidia and everyone said $700 was a super hyper bargain for the 3080, I'd make the 4080 cost $1000. If it blows away the 3090 at $500 less, everyone will lose their minds and say it's a super steal. Then next gen I'd charge $1500 for the 5080. I'd just keep doing that until those idiot gamers stopped bragging about how underpriced my products are.

Well, looking at the way Nvidia's prices have been, well, "developing" are you sure you aren't in charge of their prices?!

 

[jpiniero]

Why do people think the 3080 being $700 was such a great deal? The GTX 1080 was $600 and the 2000 series was a joke, so what are they comparing the 3080 to?

1080 FE was $700 and I imagine most AIBs MSRP was higher than that. Plus 3080 has x103 specs instead of x104.

 

[dlerious]

1080 FE was $700 and I imagine most AIBs MSRP was higher than that. Plus 3080 has x103 specs instead of x104.

I thought the 1080Ti was $700. The Ti launched 2 months prior unlike the 780 where you had 6 months between 80 1st then 80Ti and 980/980Ti at 9 months.

Checked something and you were right, that's when Nvidia was charging more for Founders Edition cards although MSRP for reference was $600.

 

[moonbogg]

I thought the 1080Ti was $700. The Ti launched 2 months prior unlike the 780 where you had 6 months between 80 1st then 80Ti and 980/980Ti at 9 months.

Checked something and you were right, that's when Nvidia was charging more for Founders Edition cards although MSRP for reference was $600.

It was. I bought one on release and everything since has been a joke. That's why I still have a 1080Ti. I got no problem making this my last GPU, if that's how Nvidia decides to play it. You guys can keep buying though.

 

[Dave2150]

It was. I bought one on release and everything since has been a joke. That's why I still have a 1080Ti. I got no problem making this my last GPU, if that's how Nvidia decides to play it. You guys can keep buying though.

You remind me of the folk still happy with B&W TV's, or using quad core CPU's, or playing at 1080P or 1440P in 2022. Fine if you want to - though don't kid yourself that you're not missing out on huge upgrades.

Good luck playing new games at 4k on your 1080ti. You'll probably answer this with a statement that "no good games to play" - there are, but this would require an open mind and the ability to adapt. How old are you?