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CubicZirconia

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My first impression of Rise of Nations is that it is mediocre at best. I'd be very hesitant to call it one of the best RTS's ever. Something about it just doesn't feel right. In addition, I would definitely add Empire Earth to that list. Sure, the games can get he||a long, but they are a lot of fun while playing on LAN. You just can't beat the massive battle sizes the game offers when using a high pop cap (preferable a modded limit that gives you ~5000 or so units). Plus, its hard to find another game that has the same variation in units and ages. It's still the only RTS my friends and I play regularly, so that says something to me.

What was so great about Age of Mythology? Seemed like a pretty standard game to me. Nothing special. As for Dune 2000, that was a cheap ass graphical overall of the real classic, Dune II. It was a huge disappointment to me. I'd probably stick with the original. And honestly, Generals? NOT one of the best games ever. The extremely limited unit variation is enough alone for me to say there is no way in hell it is one of the best RTS's ever.
 

Malladine

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Thanks Cubic.

Empire Earth is a game i'm going to have to reinstall and try again after hearing your glowing report :)

C&C Generals is one I haven't played yet, but your opinion is noted.

Dune 2000 I agree is not worth it. It's going down.

AoM is actually pretty fun. The mythical beasties are cool ;)

 

Smilin

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The ones I've played in order of my preference:


Empire Earth (IMHO best I've played ...see below)
WarCraft III (Beautiful artwork, great storyline)
StarCraft (different races are very very well balanced)
Age of Empires 2 (Great game...should have been better. Waay to much micromanagement)
WarCraft II (fun fun gameplay)
Age of Empires 1 (fun but the interface is a bit clumsy)
WarCraft (still a respectable game but the sequels are better)
Homeworld (low on list just becuase I've not played enough to form opinion)
C & C Generals (good graphics, sh1tty gameplay, downright racist)


Why I think EE is the best:
This game is what AOE2 SHOULD have been. The rock-paper-scissors balance between units is perfect. There is NO "Ultimate" weapon. There is no strategy or tactic that doesn't have a counter. The scope of the game is unbelievable. It's like several games in one. Those of you that are fans of AOE will make a relatively easy transition to this game.

The designers got rid of several annoying facets of RTS's. Resource piles never run out - but there is a maximum number of units that can mine at once. You are forced to expand to grow more powerful, not because resources have been exhausted. Citizens and many other units are intelligent enough to keep themselves busy at times. You DONT have to keep replanting farms - this was a silly rule in AOE - it forces micromanagement for no good reason. You do NOT have to build more houses to raise your population cap..another annoying rule. Houses have a different purpose ;)

If you are a fan of "building" this game is for you (random map/standard rules). If you are a fan of "combat" this game is also for you (deathmatch/tournament rules). You can easily play this game with 600+ units in your civilization and not be burdened or overwhelmed by micromanagement. You can treat buildings as units including grouping them, setting multiple waypoints and such. The ability to add actions to the queue of units is awesome. You can tell a single citizen to do the following: repair something, move somewhere following a series of waypoints, repair something else, build a town, a tower, some anti-air + 20 other buildings then go over here and collect resources. You can then leave the citizen be and when you come back he/she will be busy mining after completing everything you asked.

My complaints about EE:
Formations - units use formations but fail to hold them when moving in mass. AOE does this better.
AI - fun to play against but it downright cheats at the beginning. I think this was a shortcut the designers used rather than forming a good set of opening moves at the beginning
The expansion - Added a lot of features to multiplayer (buddy list etc) but was otherwise useless. The space-ages it adds done much better by StarCraft.

Warcraft III is a VERY close second choice for me. Blizzard does their typical job of producing finely polished game.

Generals - what a crock of Shiz. The interface to control your units is pathetic. It's almost as dated as WarCraft 1. The graphics are nice and all but the nail in the coffin is the racism. Sure its supposed to be kinda funny but so is any other racist joke so HA-HA and F*ck you. It seems to be written for 12 year olds...which makes the negative influences even more damaging.

If you like AOE 1&2 you owe it to yourself to try EE. AOE2 is a great game in it's own right but I think you'll like EE better.

gawd this got long..
 

Quixfire

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You should replace Dune 2000 with Emperor: Battle for Dune.

Even though it got mediocre reviews, I still think it is one of the best full 3D RTS out there to day. The factions could have used a little better balance and the single player game seemed to drag after the first few missions.
 

Malladine

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Lol, I appreciate the effort that took Smilin :)

Definately going to give empire earth another go now!

And C&C Generals is going down now, unless I receive some positive reports on it.
 

Malladine

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Originally posted by: Quixfire
You should replace Dune 2000 with Emperor: Battle for Dune.

Even though it got mediocre reviews, I still think it is one of the best full 3D RTS out there to day. The factions could have used a little better balance and the single player game seemed to drag after the first few missions.
yeah, i've played that. Pretty good actually, thanks for reminding me. I'll have to reinstall that too. Going to be busy tonight :)
 

Barnaby W. Füi

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Damn, Smilin, you make ME want to go play Empire Earth (and I don't play commercial computer games!), well written.
 

Smilin

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Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
Damn, Smilin, you make ME want to go play Empire Earth (and I don't play commercial computer games!), well written.

Hehe thanks for not ripping me guys. I type pretty fast and ramble sometimes. EE, Quake 1, Diablo 2 and a few others are just games that I find myself going back to again and again.

One more game for you guys:
Mechcommander 2 - I finished this twice back to back when I got it. It has probably the best 3D engine for an RTS I've seen and the gameplay really lets you execute advanced tactics like no other.

One thing I can't stand is RTS's (and another reason I hate C&C) is "blob warfare". If gameplay involves getting the biggest mass of troops together and then throwing them at each other it probably sucks.



 

Malladine

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One thing I can't stand is RTS's (and another reason I hate C&C) is "blob warfare".
Smilin, I can't stress this enough: TRY KOHAN

Don't ignore this. Trust my judgement and try Kohan for a unique and tactically satisfying RTS experience.

(And if you do try it, let me know how it goes!)

Two words of warning: 1. it's a hugely underrated game and as such you'll find it isn't easy to find a match online. There's an expansion called Ahriman's Gift which I believe is standalone (although you may want to make sure before buying) and is played way more than the original. 2. Most of those who still play online are hardcore players. Nice enough people, but they'll kick your ass and it's always a shame when a game doesn't work out just because you can't win. Recommend playing over LAN with other n00bs as (and I guess this is another word of warning :p), with the game being so unique, the learning curve is actually a curve...

I could talk a lot more about it. For example, team play is the most fun eg 2v2, 3v3 etc. You can play games of up to 4v4. Thrilling.
 

CPA

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Originally posted by: Malladine
Originally posted by: CPA
Stronghold is good, though no multiplayer support.

Strondhold:Crusader sucks.
Yeah, no mplayer. I played the first Stronghold and thought the AI was kinda...ass. Did you find that? I mean, it would train it's units in conga lines most of the time. Really stupid :p

Amish: Yeah, Impossible Creatures. I have it, but haven't played multiplayer yet. Anyone have exp there?

You are correct about the conga lines, but the AI usually did a good job of finding your weakest point and exploiting it and would switch gears if you were able to strengthen that weak point.

 

onelin

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Glad to see Total Annihilation on this list :) It's instruction queuing, waypoints, etc are still best bar none AFAIK. I can't wait for the Warcraft III expansion. I think the people who say this game sucks need to lighten up. Oh no...I feel myself ready to break it out and play all weekend now!
 

Spyro

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Hmmm, after reading smilin's post I think I'm going to ge myself a copy of EE too. I wonder why I didn't buy it originally....... Oh well :D
 

eviltoon

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Except for Warcraft 3 nothing has held my interest more than Dungeon Keeper 2. That's for RTS games
 

Malladine

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Originally posted by: styrafoam
Myth 1 and 2 should be on your list, maybe Sacrifice and Red Alert also.
Red Alert is there. I think i'll add Myth 2, even though I suck at it ;)

 

Sunner

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For me, the entire Age line has got to go.
I've actually tried them all, and I like the building part, as in contructing your city/kingdom, with walls, houses, etc, but IMO the battles absolutely suck.
There's no sense of battle, it's more like a bunch of 80 year olds slugging it out or something.
Ruins a whole series with alot of potential.

Aside from that, I like most of those games to varying degrees.
WarCraft 2 > WarCraft 3 anyday, but War3 ain't too bad either.
StarCraft > War2, I didn't think it was gonna happen while I was playing War2, but Blizzard did it, good work :)

I also liked WarZone 2100, it was definately pretty different, and had many things that were new back then.

Oh and Smilin, thanks for the tip, gonna have to try EE out :)
 

Spyro

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For me, the entire Age line has got to go.
I've actually tried them all, and I like the building part, as in contructing your city/kingdom, with walls, houses, etc, but IMO the battles absolutely suck.
There's no sense of battle, it's more like a bunch of 80 year olds slugging it out or something.
Ruins a whole series with alot of potential.

I'm trying to image a bunch of 80 year olds in a fist fight, and things just aren't working for me right now :)

And ummmm....... What do you mean by the battles sucking...... I take it you've never tried AOE multiplayer :p

I also liked WarZone 2100, it was definately pretty different, and had many things that were new back then.

Warzone 2100 was pretty great back in the day (Made an excellent RTS on the playstation :D) . But I wonder why Earth 2150 hasn't been mentioned yet?
 

Malladine

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Originally posted by: Spyro
Warzone 2100 was pretty great back in the day (Made an excellent RTS on the playstation :D) . But I wonder why Earth 2150 hasn't been mentioned yet?
I was asking earlier about "3d rtss" Earth 2150 huh? Sounds familiar, but I haven't played it.

 

Spyro

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Originally posted by: Malladine
Originally posted by: Spyro
Warzone 2100 was pretty great back in the day (Made an excellent RTS on the playstation :D) . But I wonder why Earth 2150 hasn't been mentioned yet?
I was asking earlier about "3d rtss" Earth 2150 huh? Sounds familiar, but I haven't played it.

It's still my second most played RTS game after age of empires. Its similar to Warzone 2100 because of the customizable units but it has a beter graphics engine. As for game play, well I haven't really seen too many games that llow you to divert a river to stop a slowly advancing platoon. What makes it special is alterable terrain and underground warfare.
 

Spyro

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Originally posted by: Malladine
Hmm, nice. Another to try! :)

If you try it, then get "The Moon Project" version which really fixed up a lot of little annoyances, and I would avoid the newer version like the plague, because there is really no change at all between them and the moon project. Bah, I hate it when companies go 3DO.
 

Sunner

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I kinda liked Earth 2150, but it wasn't as good as some other games at the time, so I never played it much.

As for Age, I've played AoE 1&2 multiplayer, bored the he** out of me.
The game(s) would be great if the battles weren't so slow and...don't know how to describe it, it's just a bunch of guys slowly moving against each other, there's no blood, no noise, cept for a couple of dudes saying "Da-bo" now and then, no nothing, it just doesn't remind me of a battle.

Speaking of wasted potential, Cossacks, now that's a game that could have kicked some SERIOUS ass if it weren't so riddled with bugs, as well as missing some rather basic features, mostly MP features.
 

Malladine

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Originally posted by: Spyro
Originally posted by: Malladine
Hmm, nice. Another to try! :)

If you try it, then get "The Moon Project" version which really fixed up a lot of little annoyances, and I would avoid the newer version like the plague, because there is really no change at all between them and the moon project. Bah, I hate it when companies go 3DO.
Damn, $40 from gogamer...looks like i'll have to save for that one. :p

*EDIT* Just found it for $10 @ amazon :D

What newer version? Original, Moon Project then something else? Lost Souls is the 3rd to avoid?