Rove subpeonaed by House

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Fern

Exec Priv is about as old as the USA, and the Nixon admin did not invent it.

Fern

Irrelevant in this case for the reasons, I posted:

First, they claimed Bush wasn't in the loop regarding the firing of the U.S. Attorneys. If that's so, there was no communication with the "executive" and no privilege applies.

Then, there were all of those e-mails sent through the RNC's account, instead of from the Whitehouse so no privilege applies to those communications, either.

Rove can't have it both ways. In fact, he can't have it either way. Either Bush was involved in the discussions, in which case, they all lied when they denied he was, and they've got Bush, Rove and more for lying to Congress, or Bush wasn't involved, in which case there's no privilege.

And any communications run through the DNC's e-mail system are already outside any possible coverage by executive privilege.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Actually I am defending the right of executive privilege.

You would. It's the only scant hope your Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal have to avoid having to explain their treason, murder, torture, war crimes and general lies to Congress and the American people.

"Executive privilege" is not unlimited, and it probably doesn't apply in this case.

First, they claimed Bush wasn't in the loop regarding the firing of the U.S. Attorneys. If that's so, there was no communication with the "executive" and no privilege applies.

Then, there were all of those e-mails sent through the RNC's account, instead of from the Whitehouse so no privilege applies to those communications, either.

Time and again you've proven that you'll lie at the drop of a hat as long as it suits your perverted personal agenda. :roll:

:music: JAIL TO THE THIEF! :music:

If it was Bill Clinton he wouldn't be "defending the right of executive privledge"

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Fern

Exec Priv is about as old as the USA, and the Nixon admin did not invent it.

Fern

Irrelevant in this case for the reasons, I posted:

What? No, it's entirely relevant since I was responding Craig's bogus claim that Exec Priv was invented by Nixon.

I'm not arguing whether it applies it here. Although I concede the point you make sounds pretty good.

First, they claimed Bush wasn't in the loop regarding the firing of the U.S. Attorneys. If that's so, there was no communication with the "executive" and no privilege applies.

Fern

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: sprok
meh, i'm sure rove will get an 11th hour pardon from gwb at the end of this year if anything happens to him.

Actually one of the reasons the House and Senate have waited to push this issue for so many months, is to negate the effectiveness of a Bush pardon. If Rove is pardoned by Bush he can still be called to testify after Bush leaves office. Then if he lies the pardon does not apply since you can't be pardoned for future crimes.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Craig234
The "right" of executive privilege was basically invented by the Nixon Administration to try to thwart being caught by Congress for their criminal conduct. Funny how administrations for the nearly 200 years before that had not needed to invent it.....
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Nope.

George Washington was the 1st

From Findlaw

A BRIEF HISTORY OF EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE, FROM GEORGE WASHINGTON THROUGH DICK CHENEY
(just a excerpt from the above article)

Presidents have long claimed, however, that the constitutional principle of separation of powers implies that the Executive Branch has a privilege to resist certain encroachments by Congress and the judiciary, including some requests for information.

For example, in 1796, President Washington refused to comply with a request by the House of Representatives for documents relating to the negotiation of the then-recently adopted Jay Treaty with England. The Senate alone plays a role in the ratification of treaties, Washington reasoned, and therefore the House had no legitimate claim to the material. Accordingly, Washington provided the documents to the Senate but not the House.

Link

Exec Priv is about as old as the USA, and the Nixon admin did not invent it.

Fern

You're wrong. Of course the issue of how the president and congress deal with one another on sharing information goes back to the first president and congress. I didn't say otherwise.

The reasons for withholding the info by Washington for the Jay treaty were completely different than the ones cited in 'executive privilege' regarding presidential advice.

The topic of confidential presidential advice was first addressed, as far as I'm aware, in Marbury vs. Madison.

The actual phrase 'Executive Privilege' was coined very late in our history, in the Eisenhower administration, just two before Nixon's.

When I said Nixon basically invented the legal argument about 'Executive Privilege', I was referring to it in how it's defined for situations like the current one, where Congress wants to investigate the administration for wrongdoing with US Attorneys, or when Congress wanted the tapes from Nixon to investigate the Watergate cover-up, for which Nixon tried to greatly expand the notion of 'Executive Privilege' - and was shot down by the Supreme Court.

The courts have said that the power of the administration to withhold information rests on the reasons specific to the situation - and withholding info from an investigation is weak.

Most of the attempts by Nixon and since to create an 'absolute right' of the President to withhold information have been rejected in court, but the court has approved some power.

 

[yllus]

Man, I thought that read, "Rove subpoenaed by Horse". That would have been far more interesting.