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Rove speaks again......

RightIsWrong

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Gee....Rove really likes to talk about things that are supposed to be privy yet he wants everyone to believe that he didn't say anything about Valarie Plame. Maybe he should check out some of the S&M muzzles so that he can keep his mouth shut and stay out of trouble?

It appears that Rove is dooming himself if he is ever indicted. After all, if he is willingly giving out info to Dobson, maybe he did so to Cooper also?

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Dobson: What Rove Said About Miers
In his radio program, the Focus on the Family founder reveals what reassured him about the Supreme Court nominee
By MIKE ALLEN

Posted Tuesday, Oct. 11, 2005

Trying to reassure his flock about the Supreme Court nomination of Harriet Miers, James C. Dobson set off a firestorm last week when he said that Karl Rove had told him some things he "probably shouldn't know" that led him to believe Miers "will be a good justice." With the Right on a rampage over what some saw as a betrayal, Dobson spoke of "things that I'm privy to that I can't describe because of confidentiality." Had Dobson received an assurance from Rove that Miers, now the White House counsel, would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade? Democrats suspected so, and said they would call Dobson as a witness at her confirmation hearing, which is likely to begin late this month or in early November.

Facing increasing criticism, Dobson announced he would come clean on his Wednesday radio program. In a transcript of the show recorded Tuesday, he says Rove has given him permission to make public their conversation, which occurred two days before Bush's announcement. In brief: Rove assured him Miers was a strong Evangelical Christian?and that some other female candidates supported by the Right had withdrawn their names from consideration.

According to Dobson, Rove said the President "was looking for a certain kind of candidate, namely a woman." Rove added that Miers "was at the top of the short list of names under consideration," but that others had withdrawn from consideration. "Some of the other candidates who had been on that short list, and that many conservatives are now upset about, were highly qualified individuals that had been passed over," Dobson says. "What Karl told me is that some of those individuals took themselves off that list and they would not allow their names to be considered, because the process has become so vicious and so vitriolic and so bitter, that they didn't want to subject themselves or the members of their families to it."

It's hard to overstate the power of Dobson's voice among social conservatives, making him a real life raft for the White House at a time when many in the movement have greeted the pick with skepticism, disdain and outright opposition. A licensed psychologist and former professor of pediatrics, Dobson is perhaps best known in the secular world for his 3-million-seller "Dare to Discipline." His official biography says he has "consulted with President George Bush on family related matters." Focus on the Family says he is heard on 2,000 radio stations in the U.S., and is heard by more than 200 million people around the world every day.

Dobson says on Wednesday's "Focus on the Family" broadcast the information from Rove that reassured him was "what we all know now: that Harriet Miers is an Evangelical Christian, that she is from a very conservative church, which is almost universally pro-life, that she had taken on the American Bar Association on the issue of abortion and fought for a policy that would not be supportive of abortion, that she had been a member of the Texas Right to Life." Even so, Dobson says, ?Rove didn't tell me anything about the way Harriet Miers would vote on cases that may come before the Supreme Court. We did not discuss Roe v. Wade in any context or any other pending issue that will be considered by the court."

Miers still has strong public backing from the White House. On Tuesday, the President and the First Lady teamed up for a vigorous defense of Miers in a live interview with Matt Lauer of NBC's "Today" show at a Habitat for Humanity site in Louisiana, with Laura Bush saying that the nominee is "very deliberate and thoughtful, and will bring dignity to wherever she goes." Republicans say there is no chance Bush will yank the Miers nomination of his own accord. But some influential Republicans said there is a small chance she will survey the flak ahead and decide to withdraw on her own.
 
This is an odd story indeed. Dobson's explanation doesn't ring true to me - why would the fact that Ms. Miers is an evangelical Christian be something Dobson "probably shouldn't know"? Presumably it was publically-available information, and certainly not something that would require any special handling by Dobson.

The larger question, IMO, is why the President and his staff are discussing the specifics of their Supreme Court nominations with a private citizen with no need to know.

I don't agree this story is relevant to any criminal prosecution of Rove, even if true. I think Rove is a real turd, but this discussion with Dobson is a completely different situation than the alleged leaks with regard to Valerie Plame.
 
Originally posted by: DonVito
This is an odd story indeed. Dobson's explanation doesn't ring true to me - why would the fact that Ms. Miers is an evangelical Christian be something Dobson "probably shouldn't know"? Presumably it was publically-available information, and certainly not something that would require any special handling by Dobson.

The larger question, IMO, is why the President and his staff are discussing the specifics of their Supreme Court nominations with a private citizen with no need to know.

I don't agree this story is relevant to any criminal prosecution of Rove, even if true. I think Rove is a real turd, but this discussion with Dobson is a completely different situation than the alleged leaks with regard to Valerie Plame.

Oh come on Dobson is not an ordinary private citizen.

He is a leader of the Religious Radicals that controls the Republican Regime.

If Bush consulted me on the other hand, then you could ask why is he discusssing the specifics of Supreme Court nomination with a private citizen and certifiable liberal nut job according to Republicans.
 
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Gee....Rove really likes to talk about things that are supposed to be privy yet he wants everyone to believe that he didn't say anything about Valarie Plame. Maybe he should check out some of the S&M muzzles so that he can keep his mouth shut and stay out of trouble?

It appears that Rove is dooming himself if he is ever indicted. After all, if he is willingly giving out info to Dobson, maybe he did so to Cooper also?

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You now consider info about Harriett Miers to be confidential and worthy of high government security?
 
Why would any part of the process for nominating a SC justice have to be secret? Lately it's been secret but that was mainly to keep Kennedy and Schumer (re: Neas & Soros) from getting a head start in attempting to destroy the nom. Other than that I would think that Dubbya or anyone else involved in the process could discuss it with anyone they wanted.
 
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Trying to reassure his flock about the Supreme Court nomination of Harriet Miers, James C. Dobson set off a firestorm last week when he said that Karl Rove had told him some things he "probably shouldn't know" that led him to believe Miers "will be a good justice."
Dobson's another religious nut case who is welcome to flock himself. His credibility is somewhere south of zero.

Rove talking to him is just another example of the Bushwhackos whoring themselves to the ultra-religious zealots. :disgust:
 
nothing should be secret to the american people about a Supreme Court nominee

Why all the whispers and smoke screens?

 
Originally posted by: OrByte
nothing should be secret to the american people about a Supreme Court nominee

Why all the whispers and smoke screens?

We have the right to remain clueless. Anything that is said may be held against her in a Confirmation Hearing.

Baaa, Baa . . .

 
Originally posted by: OrByte
nothing should be secret to the american people about a Supreme Court nominee

Why all the whispers and smoke screens?
To hide the weak, vapid reality of her lack of any significant experience beyong pandering to Bushlite's ego.
 
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Trying to reassure his flock about the Supreme Court nomination of Harriet Miers, James C. Dobson set off a firestorm last week when he said that Karl Rove had told him some things he "probably shouldn't know" that led him to believe Miers "will be a good justice."
Dobson's another religious nut case who is welcome to flock himself. His credibility is somewhere south of zero.

Rove talking to him is just another example of the Bushwhackos whoring themselves to the ultra-religious zealots. :disgust:

Of course by talking with him that means they are whoring themselves.
And you lefties wonder why nobody takes you seriously anymore lmao.

 
Odd how some of the people so concerned about Rove talking about Miers to the media and think it's so shameful don't see a problem with Earle leaking investigative and grand jury information to the media about Delay.
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Odd how some of the people so concerned about Rove talking about Miers to the media and think it's so shameful don't see a problem with Earle leaking investigative and grand jury information to the media about Delay.

Don't have a problem with Rove talking to the media. Problem is, he didn't. He spoke personally to one individual on a personal level to reassure him that he shouldn't allow his sheep to wander too far from the field.

If he really wanted to talk with the media, he could have just as easily went ON THE RECORD on any station live and subjected himself to the scrutiny that his words deserve. Even if it were on Fox, Rush or Hannity's shows....at least he would have given the appearance that what he was doing was on the up and up.

Nice job trying to completely distort what really happened.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Gee....Rove really likes to talk about things that are supposed to be privy yet he wants everyone to believe that he didn't say anything about Valarie Plame. Maybe he should check out some of the S&M muzzles so that he can keep his mouth shut and stay out of trouble?

It appears that Rove is dooming himself if he is ever indicted. After all, if he is willingly giving out info to Dobson, maybe he did so to Cooper also?

Story Link

You now consider info about Harriett Miers to be confidential and worthy of high government security?

Well, Sen. Spector seems to be quite interested in what information Rove has been passing on to the right-winger Christian wackos. I'm glad someone is doing their damned job in a legitimate way down there.

Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Trying to reassure his flock about the Supreme Court nomination of Harriet Miers, James C. Dobson set off a firestorm last week when he said that Karl Rove had told him some things he "probably shouldn't know" that led him to believe Miers "will be a good justice."
Dobson's another religious nut case who is welcome to flock himself. His credibility is somewhere south of zero.

Rove talking to him is just another example of the Bushwhackos whoring themselves to the ultra-religious zealots. :disgust:

Of course by talking with him that means they are whoring themselves.
And you lefties wonder why nobody takes you seriously anymore lmao.

What would you prefer to call it, pandering?
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Odd how some of the people so concerned about Rove talking about Miers to the media and think it's so shameful don't see a problem with Earle leaking investigative and grand jury information to the media about Delay.

Link to where I said I don't have a problem with certain people leaking info to the media. Come on dumbass, let's see it.

Put up or shut_your_FACE. (heh, I know that's not possible but a guy can hope)
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Odd how some of the people so concerned about Rove talking about Miers to the media and think it's so shameful don't see a problem with Earle leaking investigative and grand jury information to the media about Delay.

Not that we have duly noted your finding of oddness, what is your take on the issue in this thread.
 
Dobson's assurance that we(his audience) all should trust the decision by Bush reminds me of how we all should have trusted Bush on WMD, Al Queda links, etc. Many a supporter of that Bush decision used the exact same reasoning to convince us on the opposition to change our minds.

Fool me once, shame on....shame on...we won't be fooled again!

edit: spelling/clarity
 
Originally posted by: arsbanned
Originally posted by: zendari
You now consider info about Harriett Miers to be confidential and worthy of high government security?

Well, Sen. Spector seems to be quite interested in what information Rove has been passing on to the right-winger Christian wackos. I'm glad someone is doing their damned job in a legitimate way down there.
That's great for Sen. Specter. There is no obligation for Bush or Miers to release anything.

 
Originally posted by: zendari
That's great for Sen. Specter. There is no obligation for Bush or Miers to release anything.
And there's no obligation for any senator to vote for her if they don't get answers.

She may be a good sycophant (spelled ass kisser), but from what I've seen and heard, so far, she's far below what I'd like to see in a Supreme Court Justice in intellect and experience.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: arsbanned
Originally posted by: zendari
You now consider info about Harriett Miers to be confidential and worthy of high government security?

Well, Sen. Spector seems to be quite interested in what information Rove has been passing on to the right-winger Christian wackos. I'm glad someone is doing their damned job in a legitimate way down there.
That's great for Sen. Specter. There is no obligation for Bush or Miers to release anything.
our elected officials are "under no obligation" and somehow you are OK with this!?


 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: arsbanned
Originally posted by: zendari
You now consider info about Harriett Miers to be confidential and worthy of high government security?

Well, Sen. Spector seems to be quite interested in what information Rove has been passing on to the right-winger Christian wackos. I'm glad someone is doing their damned job in a legitimate way down there.
That's great for Sen. Specter. There is no obligation for Bush or Miers to release anything.


Your thinking is what will destroy this country.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: arsbanned
Originally posted by: zendari
You now consider info about Harriett Miers to be confidential and worthy of high government security?

Well, Sen. Spector seems to be quite interested in what information Rove has been passing on to the right-winger Christian wackos. I'm glad someone is doing their damned job in a legitimate way down there.
That's great for Sen. Specter. There is no obligation for Bush or Miers to release anything.

There is also no obligation fo the Senate, particularly the Dems, to allow a Bush nominee gain a seat on teh SC either. And, thankfully, he can't recess appointment a justice that would sit for the standard "life" term. Maybe by the time the next session came in, it would be under Democratic control and he would really be SOL. The mid-terms are looking pretty rosey for the Dems, after all.
 
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: zendari
That's great for Sen. Specter. There is no obligation for Bush or Miers to release anything.
And there's no obligation for any senator to vote for her if they don't get answers.

She may be a good sycophant (spelled ass kisser), but from what I've seen and heard, so far, she's far below what I'd like to see in a Supreme Court Justice in intellect and experience.

But I fear she is also far above anything one might prudently think Bush would appoint, as was Roberts, at least in my opinion.
 
Personally I don't have a problem with Rove speaking to Dobson...whatever information that was passed on is almost certainly not classified or sensitive (what would it be if it was?), and the only reason Dobson is acting strange about it is because Dobson is a publicity tool, acting like you know some big secret is always good for business if you are a public figure.

What I WOULD be worried about, at least if I was a Republican, is the idea that Dobson is a useful contact for the Republican's base. The man is clearly pretty extreme when it comes to being a religious conservative, and while diversity is good, I'm not sure I'd feel real comfortable if that man represented MY base. Maybe that's just me though.
 
Ugh why can't the right grow a pair and just say they are nominating a right wing fruit cake. Why does bush have to lie about it like Iraq.
 
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