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Rottweilers kill Wisconsin girl

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To promote more facts to counter paranoia, here is a CDC study (pdf) of biting in dogs, these show up in the top 12:

Akita (5)
Chihuahua (2)
Chow Chow (31)
Cocker Spaniel (8)
Collie (8)
Doberman Pinscher (6)
German Shepard (34)
Golden Retriever (9)
Poodle, standard (4)
Scottish Terrier (3)
Shetland Sheepdog (2)

Note that Rottweilers and Pit Bulls don't show up in that list.

Yes dogs bite. And yes, when Rotts and Pit Bulls bite they tend to do more damage. And yes, it is absolutely tragic when this happens. But the statistics show that it is unlikely that you are going to be bitten, and extremely unlikely that the culprit will be a Rottweiller or a Pit Bull. The media loves to make these out to be bad dogs when the truth is far different.
 
Then you're angry for no reason. I didn't join this forum to condem Rottweilers (I joined 2 or 3 days ago). And my opinion on them has nothing to do with that news report. Are you still mad?
 
Wow, Kgraeme, you finally calmed down, didn't you. Now you see how calm collective thinking does much better? I respectfully disagree about the paranoia statement, though. It puzzles me that some people speak as though dogs were some specie born to be domesticated. They weren't all domesticated throughout the history of man, so that should say much about how much we should take into consideration.

Gaard, believe it or not, don't spend your time with people of that nature. They tend to call people names with differing opinions rather than present the overwhelming evidence they claim to have. The truth is, they are just as biased as they accuse you. 🙂 Express yourself as much as you wish, for you're entitled to your opinion just as they. They aren't some scientists that have studied the nature of dogs and can read every aspect of their exisetence. Gosh! Wouldn't taht make them a supreme-being, anyway? *Sigh!*
 
My buddy has a purebred Rottweiler and he's very playful and lovable and gets along great with kids. In fact my buddies wife takes the dog to the special needs school where she works on a weekly basis to play with the kids, they all love him! It's pretty funny since the dog has that badass Rotty look, but a heart of gold.
 
A few weeks ago, a girl here in Toronto, was also killed by a Rott. I got attacked by one of them once, he tore up my arms and stomach. Every Rottweiler owner must have a permit to own the dog, saying that he is a professional when it comes to training dogs. Rotts are good dogs, but they must be trained by a professional. If they're not, they're a time bomb, like you said.
 
My family has owned over atleat 100+ dogs over a 7 year span ( 40+ poodles @ one point).
Yes we were poodle breeders, but we did own one rottweiler. Suzie was her name.

She was the nicest dog i have ever had, in fact, it was so much gentler than most of the poodles my family have ever owned.
My family owned her when i was in the 2nd grade. In fact, when Suzie was one years old, she was bigger and heavier than i was at the time.
However, during her lifetime, she never bite me once or even flaunting her teeth @ me.

In fact, ever dog has a personality just like we humans do. Some are gentle and some are terribly mean.
Yes breeding and training plays a part toward their personality; however, most of personality is innate. Just like us humans.

But do not just let 2 or 3 bad news headlines of ruin the reputation of an entire breed of dog.
It's like making an judgement(may it be good or bad) on a particular thing just because you have heard the reputation of it, but never actually experinced it.
 


<< Wow, Kgraeme, you finally calmed down, didn't you. Now you see how calm collective thinking does much better? >>



Hey, I was the one that was calmly and rationally posting statistics, while you arbitrarily think of whole breeds of dogs as vicious. It's apparent that you have suffered some severe childhood trauma from dogs that leads you to have a paranoia about them. You may feel its justified, but your paranoia makes you narrowminded and prejudiced.

It would be no different than if you were robbed by a black man and therefore think all black men are criminals.
 


<< hm... this turned into a fire ... don't forget about the girl 🙁 >>



Agreed.

I'm just concerned that people don't in turn demonize an entire breed of dog because of the actions of a very few.
 


<< hm... this turned into a fire ... don't forget about the girl 🙁 >>


And I am concerned for the mental health of the friend. A 10 year old girl invited her friend over, her parents weren't home (maybe the mom just ran out for a minute?) and the friend is brutally killed before her eyes. She then is alone with the dogs who killed her friend, and the friend's body, until the mom returns? Or did she get out?

She is going to need counseling, and it doesn't seem as though she lived in the best of environments to start out. Is she going to get the help she needs?

 
i hate those f*cking rotties. my neighbor had one. it was a nightmare. the fool dog bit his mom when she came 2000 miles for a visit. one day i was going out so i stopped at my mailbox. the next thing i know that infernal cur came running at me from across the street. i was able to get back in my car.

rotties are one of 4-5 dog breeds that are responsible for something lik 70% of all deaths to humans. they are just too big and too strong.

if you want to see something outrageous watch that show on Animal Planet called "Animal Precinct." It will make you sick. There are some really stupid and scary people out there with animals.

 


<< Your ignorance of modern breeding and behavior of a popular household dog is a testament to your stupidity. Wanker.


Edit: How the dogs are raised is the major factor in whether they are mean or docile. I have no evidence of upbringing in this case. I even live in Wisconsin, so I'm seeing this in local news. I will acknowledge though that in the area these people live it is zoned to limit people to owning no more than three dogs. >>



the thing is, mister smarty pants, is that a rottie is so big and strong if not properly raised it has more potential to kill than most dogs.

duh.

rotties are dangerous: read it and weep.

people get rotties to compensate for having a small penis.

on courttv last year they had a trial of a woman who's cute, lovable rotts killed a kid at a bustop. she was jailed for 6 years. i couldn't agree more.

 
My mistake. Maybe it was the Drunken Forums...I joined a few this past week. Still, the gist of my post is valid. I believe my first post here was an inquiry about wallpapers.
 


<<
the thing is, mister smarty pants, is that a rottie is so big and strong if not properly raised it has more potential to kill than most dogs.

duh.

rotties are dangerous: read it and weep.
 >>



If you had read my various posts to CDC statistics, I do not deny what you are saying. Statistically, when rotties bite, they are more dangerous than other dogs. But also statistically, they are MUCH less likely to bite than other dogs. The media only focuses on the extreme cases that involve death without balancing it with statistics to show how rare it is.

It's fine that you are afraid of them. That is your own issue. But don't demonize an entire breed for the actions of a few.
 


<< "You cite some rare and tragic cases to make your case against entire breeds of dogs. Your ignorance, intolerance and prejudice are overwhelming. You're a wanker."

A pleasure, hon'. Only sociopaths speak like you! 😉 😛 Got more to say, hon'? 😉 >>



lol. good one.

you reckon his peter is small? that's my guess.

 


<< There are some really stupid and scary people out there with animals. >>


that, in a nutshell, is exactly the problem. it's not the breed of dog, it's the type of owner. some owners are both stupid and careless and because some of these owners raise powerful dogs, these dogs get a bad name.
 


<< first off Gaard your a moron, I have had dogs all my life and any breed can bite, it has 100% to do with breeding and training, I was on a waiting list for a year to get my rottie and he is good dog. I am willing to bet that 99.9% of all rottie attacks where from rotties breed by backyard breeders. there the ones people should be condeming not the breed. >>



first of all, gaard, you are not a moron.

secondly, just because your rottie was a good dog doesn't make me and anyone else not in love with them feel any better.

they are just too big and strong, and have to much potential for killing for most of us. they should be regulated at the very least.

letting just any old fool own one or more is bullsh*t.

 
Dogs make lousy pets. I don't care how they are bred, you cannot account for their behavior. You cannot garauntee that a dog of ANY size will not attack a stranger, let alone the family, when it is acting out of the norm. Dogs are not rational human beings. Dogs are not accountable for their behavior. Whenever a dog attacks a person, too often the blame is put on the victim.

I'm not overzealous at getting rid of dogs, nor do I hate them. I do live with the scars of a black lab attack from age two-and-a-half. It wasn't like me "fearing dogs" led to the attack, being we had always had family dogs. Nor did I pull its tail or any nonsense like that. I'll never own one as a pet just because of that traumatic, unexpected attack. (I believe the old saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.")

By the way, it was our so-called "family friend" that mauled me.
 
I would put the owners to blame. I hate to say why though... I would have to say from the report that the residence wasn't clean, it would make me believe that neglegence is one of the major factors. If the owners were really taking care of their dogs, they would have a clean place for them and also have a safe place for their children... From the story, it appears the dogs were actually owned by the McCrackens. In my opinion, the dogs should not be blamed and the McCrackens should stick to bowling instead of breeding dogs.
 
Sad, what a waste. People who raise dogs with reputations like Rots carry and can't be bothered to properly train and care for the animals or their own children should be destroyed along with their animals.

 
kgraeme - I find it interesting that the link you provided is a study done in the Denver area only as opposed to nationwide. I also find it interesting that you say

<< But also statistically, they are much less likely to bite than other dogs. >>

while the link provided by Fanon states that

<< They said there was not enough information to determine which breeds are most likely to bite. >>

 


<< If you had read my various posts to CDC statistics, I do not deny what you are saying. Statistically, when rotties bite, they are more dangerous than other dogs. >>

That is the issue, likelihood of serious injury, not likelihood of injury. I've been bitten a hundred times by various animals; squirrels, hamsters, rabbits, a racoon, snakes, ferrets, cats, cockatoos, parrots, horses, and a few dogs. Several stitches and some antibiotics are nothing but a thang for me, and they're no biggie for most people.

The issue is not "injury" or "bite", but the likelihood of serious injury. Certain animals or breeds, because of their likelihood of serious injury, not their likelihood of biting, are not suitable to be freely owned by the mass public without regulation. The point is, who really gives a damn that Chihuahuas are one of the most nippy dogs? You just flick them across the room with your index finger.

I do not support any boilerplate "bans" on private ownership of any animals of any type; snakes, lions, exotics, whatever. I do, however, believe that in order to own certain types of animals that are more likely to inflict serious injury in the event that they do attack, it is reasonable to require of owners certain criteria such as licensure, demonstration of proper housing and handling, etc.

Rotts and pit bulls, two breeds that are responsible for 50% of all fatal dog attacks, clearly surpass that thresshold which says they are not suitable for unregulated mass ownership. To say the problem isn't with the breed but with the owner is an academic exercise and misses the point.

 


<< kgraeme - I find it interesting that the link you provided is a study done in the Denver area only as opposed to nationwide. I also find it interesting that you say

<< But also statistically, they are much less likely to bite than other dogs. >>

while the link provided by Fanon states that

<< They said there was not enough information to determine which breeds are most likely to bite. >>

 >>



The Denver study is the only one that the CDC has available on their web site. I would have preferred national statistics as well. The article that Fanon linked to was CNN, not the CDC. CNN sensationalizes, the CDC studies.
 


<< Dogs make lousy pets. >>

No, dogs make great pets. I've had quite a few. Maybe it's just the lousy owners and sh!tty parents that are a problem. Which one was your excuse?
 
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