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ROTC returning to college campuses

Maybe the college level is a different experience, but the ROTC kids I remember from high school were not impressive specimens.
 
Wow economy must be REALLY bad if they think they can Recruit at Harvard and Stanford now.
 
surfsatwerk said:
Maybe the college level is a different experience, but the ROTC kids I remember from high school were not impressive specimens.
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Yeah they were usually fat kids who couldn't cope with PE so their exercise for the day was raising the flag every morning.
 
"loathsome hippies and peace activists"-you sound like my wife's grandfather and he died forty years ago.

ROTC was banned from from many college campuses the reason was it's discrimination against gays. Those colleges paid a heavy price due to GOP pushed legislation that cut off federal funding at schools that didn't allow ROTC.

Since that sorry chapter in our armed services policy is now ending there is no reason for the ban anymore. Just like the boycotts against South Africa ended when they ended apartheid.
 
ichy said:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-rotc-20110601,0,3528287.story

ROTC is booming at universities that had previously forced it off of their campuses. It makes me smile to think of how loathsome hippies and "peace activists" must be getting their panties in a twist about this 🙂

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Easily entertained I see
 
wuliheron said:
In their case its more likely the cost of private universities going through the ceiling.
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Yeah no kidding. I read a story just last week about Princeton costing $400,000 to get through BA/BS now. Better make rank quick!
 
Red Dawn said:
Yeah they were usually fat kids who couldn't cope with PE so their exercise for the day was raising the flag every morning.
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Perhaps where you were at. In my personal experience, the few weeks of physical training in JROTC (this was one of our units of instruction each year) did more for me than PE ever would have. PE is a joke in terms of real conditioning for most kids. Most just "dress out" in their PE clothes and play basketball or sit on the bleachers goofing off.
 
Guys I knew who went in were hard...wrestlers who did not scholarship, etc...one buddy I kept in contact with is a retiring Ranger next year....I think he'll be 39. Pretty good deal ~3-7K a month rest of your life and full medical...

I think we can safety say they come from all strata especially now they are at Stanford and Harvard.
 
Thump553 said:
"loathsome hippies and peace activists"-you sound like my wife's grandfather and he died forty years ago.
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Actually I despise people like that because they make it seem like anyone who's opposed to the right is an idiot. I was against the war in Iraq and I'm skeptical of Afghanistan, but I feel the way I do for rational reasons (cost of the war in blood & treasure isn't worth the benefits) not because of stupid slogans like "give peace a chance" or "violence never solves anything." The anti-ROTC crowd were usually the same morons who said that George Bush should be tried for war crimes that Mumia Abu-Jamal is a political prisoner. People like that are contemptible scum.
 
MovingTarget said:
Perhaps where you were at. In my personal experience, the few weeks of physical training in JROTC (this was one of our units of instruction each year) did more for me than PE ever would have. PE is a joke in terms of real conditioning for most kids. Most just "dress out" in their PE clothes and play basketball or sit on the bleachers goofing off.
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Different times I'm sure. Back in the early 70's the only kids that they could get to join the ROTC were fat out of shape pudgies.
 
ichy said:
JROTC (the highschool nonsense) is NOT the same as college ROTC.
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This is true, but it is a good lead-in for regular ROTC. Its a damn good recruiting tool to boot.

I'm glad the higher educational institutions are finally seeing reason on this issue, though. I was expecting many of them to find yet another reason to continue to disallow ROTC on campus once their current arguments were moot.
 
Red Dawn said:
Different times I'm sure. Back in the early 70's the only kids that they could get to join the ROTC were fat out of shape pudgies.
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Probably GWB types looking for an alternative to Vietnam.

As draft lottery #350+ I could afford to be sanctimonious.
 
Originally Posted by Fear No Evil
When you have a pro-war President like Obama who makes GWB look like a pacifist you can understand why they may need to go that route.


KGB said:
Do you actually puke a little when you write this kind of drivel?
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Just put him on your ignore list like I did so you can be spared from ever seeing such garbage.

Anti-Americans like him will just wither away
 
MovingTarget said:
Perhaps where you were at. In my personal experience, the few weeks of physical training in JROTC (this was one of our units of instruction each year) did more for me than PE ever would have. PE is a joke in terms of real conditioning for most kids. Most just "dress out" in their PE clothes and play basketball or sit on the bleachers goofing off.
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I was in high school JROTC and it wasnt much better than regular PE but you couldnt hide out and do nothing like in PE.

I agree that the people in JROTC were not the smartest people.. I dropped it after 2 years. Everyone who I knew there ended up pregnant, or joined the military as cooks. There were a few crazy gun-ho, I wanna shoot people, that ended up joining the military after too. From what I see at UCLA ROTC its just a tiny bit better.
 
I was in some training with a new LT that just came out of UC Berkley. Everyone always teased him about it. He had a good sense of humor about it, and said Army people were nicer to him knowing that he'd gone to Berkley than Berkley people were when they found out he was in the Army.
 
Also I'll throw in that so far, increasing accessions of 2LTs has done nothing to address the already critical shortage of field grade officers. Across all commissioning sources, we're seeing roughly 70% of all (Army) officers exiting service as CPTs (O3) due to a combination of poor career management, operational tempo and greener grass with private industry.
 
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