ross perot explains why we're screwed

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It's a pity the mothers of you worthless shit hadn't spent their lives making money and getting ahead in some career to provide for their old age instead of wasting their lives on raising garbage.

It's a pity they didn't read and respect the US Constitution, which says the Federal Government doesn't have the authority over retirement plans. It's a pity they elected a bunch of thieves to rule over their lives.

It's a shame it is the right of the people to institute government, laying it's foundations on such principles and organizing it's powers in such form, as to them shall most likely effect their safety and happiness.

The US Constitution only forbid the federal government from enacting programs like SS and Medicare. It does NOT forbid the states from enacting programs like SS and Medicare.

It is not the US Constitution that let the people down. It was their own doing.

When people vote for tyranny, they aught not complain when they get it.

 

[idiotekniQues]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
all the SS suprluses from 1983 till now should have been untouchable. but like the corporations who have raided and pilfered their pension plans, the government spent the surpluses of SS.

two peas in a pod.

what did you want the gov't to do instead? can't just stuff the money in a mattress somewhere.

so that is what you can do with extra money besides spend it, stuff it in a mattress?

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: bamacre
There were a handful of things said by Perot that I disagreed with, but there were many more important things he talked about that I agreed with. And 16 years later, many of those things never talked about since, the problems are now worse. One thing, in regards to foreign policy, he talked about was Russia and our need to help them.

That's naive because the Russians are a) too proud to let us help them, though I'm not sure whta help they need, and b) are too distrustful of the US and the West in general to let us help them in any way. Perhaps the opportunity was missed back in the '90s when they were more receptive under Yeltsin, but Putin is no great friend of the US. His crony Medvedev is unlikely to change any policies, either, as long as oil money is flowing into their coffers.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Frankly, every one of the founders believed that the Constitution was a document of the living, not the dead. The Constitution was a base document upon which a foundation was laid for amendments, both additions and reductions, but all of which must be tied to the foundation.

To believe that the Constitution sets down a set of over-arching rules is to completely ignore the idea of Common Law and changing society. Humanity must be far more fluid than believing that the historical figures knew everything that a future society would encounter.

That isn't to say that base principals, such as equality, privacy, right to bear arms, and other items shouldn't be strictly followed.

However, things *DO* change ad we must adapt.

As far as many of the other problems we have, I do believe we'll have situations come to a head.

I am glad you brought this up, LK.

Yes, they did believe that it needed to be changed due to changing times. But like you kinda said, changes made should NOT be made that would alter the intentions and beliefs behind the document. If it is a "living document" then it is also a "dead document," because it can no longer protect us if the intentions and beliefs of the document can be changed. When it was written, did people not get old, did they not retire, did they not need to be taken care of when they could no longer work? Is retirement something that is only 225 years old? Was there no such thing as health care when the Constitution was written? Obviously this is not the case, LK.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It's a pity the mothers of you worthless shit hadn't spent their lives making money and getting ahead in some career to provide for their old age instead of wasting their lives on raising garbage.

It's a pity they didn't read and respect the US Constitution, which says the Federal Government doesn't have the authority over retirement plans. It's a pity they elected a bunch of thieves to rule over their lives.

It's a shame it is the right of the people to institute government, laying it's foundations on such principles and organizing it's powers in such form, as to them shall most likely effect their safety and happiness.

The US Constitution only forbid the federal government from enacting programs like SS and Medicare. It does NOT forbid the states from enacting programs like SS and Medicare.

It is not the US Constitution that let the people down. It was their own doing.

When people vote for tyranny, they aught not complain when they get it.

I don't think the ones who voted are the ones complaining. I also don't hear about any Constitutional challenges going on. I do seeming to be hearing what you think is Constitutional and not much more.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It's a pity the mothers of you worthless shit hadn't spent their lives making money and getting ahead in some career to provide for their old age instead of wasting their lives on raising garbage.

It's a pity they didn't read and respect the US Constitution, which says the Federal Government doesn't have the authority over retirement plans. It's a pity they elected a bunch of thieves to rule over their lives.

It's a shame it is the right of the people to institute government, laying it's foundations on such principles and organizing it's powers in such form, as to them shall most likely effect their safety and happiness.

The US Constitution only forbid the federal government from enacting programs like SS and Medicare. It does NOT forbid the states from enacting programs like SS and Medicare.

It is not the US Constitution that let the people down. It was their own doing.

When people vote for tyranny, they aught not complain when they get it.

I don't think the ones who voted are the ones complaining. I also don't hear about any Constitutional challenges going on. I do seeming to be hearing what you think is Constitutional and not much more.

Of course they are not complaining. They've voted themselves more money than they had.

And of course the younger generation is complaining, as the previous generation voted to take their money.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It's a pity the mothers of you worthless shit hadn't spent their lives making money and getting ahead in some career to provide for their old age instead of wasting their lives on raising garbage.

I always like your acid but the two are not mutually exclusive. The baby boomers have embraced avarice and worshiped the dollar, running themselves into sickening and despicable levels of debt. They work their lives and have nothing to show for it or on what to rely when they age and cannot work.

 

[mxyzptlk]

I got to the medicare/medicaid projection chart and I realized exactly where the problem was coming from. My grandmother was recently hospitalized for about 4 days. The bill was nearly $60,000, all paid by medical/medicare. We went through the itemization of the costs and found plenty of.. well, I'd call it padding. $1,500 for "speech therapy." My grandmother is 92, has severe dementia and doesn't speak at all besides responding to her name. Several more thousands for physical therapy.. I carry her everywhere. $11,000 for the room.. For that much money she could've spent the night at that seven star hotel in Dubai. I'm sure the room service would have been better.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It's a pity the mothers of you worthless shit hadn't spent their lives making money and getting ahead in some career to provide for their old age instead of wasting their lives on raising garbage.

It's a pity they didn't read and respect the US Constitution, which says the Federal Government doesn't have the authority over retirement plans. It's a pity they elected a bunch of thieves to rule over their lives.

It's a shame it is the right of the people to institute government, laying it's foundations on such principles and organizing it's powers in such form, as to them shall most likely effect their safety and happiness.

The US Constitution only forbid the federal government from enacting programs like SS and Medicare. It does NOT forbid the states from enacting programs like SS and Medicare.

It is not the US Constitution that let the people down. It was their own doing.

When people vote for tyranny, they aught not complain when they get it.

I don't think the ones who voted are the ones complaining. I also don't hear about any Constitutional challenges going on. I do seeming to be hearing what you think is Constitutional and not much more.

Of course they are not complaining. They've voted themselves more money than they had.

And of course the younger generation is complaining, as the previous generation voted to take their money.

When SS was instituted the dumb bastards that put it into law started paying for old people who didn't put but a pittance into it before they retired. They voted their parents a total free ride.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: brxndxn
I know one thing...

Liar.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It's a pity the mothers of you worthless shit hadn't spent their lives making money and getting ahead in some career to provide for their old age instead of wasting their lives on raising garbage.

I always like your acid but the two are not mutually exclusive. The baby boomers have embraced avarice and worshiped the dollar, running themselves into sickening and despicable levels of debt. They work their lives and have nothing to show for it or on what to rely when they age and cannot work.

Excuse me, the percentage of Boomers that own their own home is significantly higher than your generation. I wouldn't be surprised that the percentage of foreclosures is significantly higher for your generation than it for for the Boomers too.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Remember....remember...remember..Reagan fixed the Social security problem and showed us the numbers that backed it up. remember....remember...remember..

Remember increased SS collections for Reagan to dip into just so he could give tax breaks to the rich??? Anybody???

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
I got to the medicare/medicaid projection chart and I realized exactly where the problem was coming from. My grandmother was recently hospitalized for about 4 days. The bill was nearly $60,000, all paid by medical/medicare. We went through the itemization of the costs and found plenty of.. well, I'd call it padding. $1,500 for "speech therapy." My grandmother is 92, has severe dementia and doesn't speak at all besides responding to her name. Several more thousands for physical therapy.. I carry her everywhere. $11,000 for the room.. For that much money she could've spent the night at that seven star hotel in Dubai. I'm sure the room service would have been better.

Does she live in assisted living? My grandmother who is 93 has the state pay it at a rate of 7K a month. Though I am not 100% sure it is medicare. Believe the county also picks up part of the tab.

It really is a giant scam.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
When SS was instituted the dumb bastards that put it into law started paying for old people who didn't put but a pittance into it before they retired. They voted their parents a total free ride.

Look, Moonbeam, I am not attacking the ideas of SS and Medicare programs. I am attacking the idea that such programs should be handled by the Federal government instead of the states. And if you look at the mess it is today, you should understand why. The Federal government was not created to try to solve every little problem that comes up. The Constitution allows the states to handle all kinds of problems. If we want to toss that belief out the window, why not just toss the whole idea of separate states out the window? No more California, no more Alabama, no Tennessee, no Alaska, just one big fucking government that rules over the entire country, one border, one set of laws for all. Certainly those who live in California can learn to live like us in Tennessee. Oh you want Medical Marijuana? Ooops, too bad, the Federal Government now has the power to rule over drug laws, no matter what the Constitution says.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It's a pity the mothers of you worthless shit hadn't spent their lives making money and getting ahead in some career to provide for their old age instead of wasting their lives on raising garbage.

I always like your acid but the two are not mutually exclusive. The baby boomers have embraced avarice and worshiped the dollar, running themselves into sickening and despicable levels of debt. They work their lives and have nothing to show for it or on what to rely when they age and cannot work.

Maybe they were reacting to the depression generation who could never part with a single red cent. Now that your jobs have all been shipped overseas, you're the next depression generation.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It's a pity the mothers of you worthless shit hadn't spent their lives making money and getting ahead in some career to provide for their old age instead of wasting their lives on raising garbage.

I always like your acid but the two are not mutually exclusive. The baby boomers have embraced avarice and worshiped the dollar, running themselves into sickening and despicable levels of debt. They work their lives and have nothing to show for it or on what to rely when they age and cannot work.

Excuse me, the percentage of Boomers that own their own home is significantly higher than your generation. I wouldn't be surprised that the percentage of foreclosures is significantly higher for your generation than it for for the Boomers too.

Perhaps that's because greedy asshole baby boomer speculators drove the prices of homes to stratospheric levels.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: Genx87
Yeah not sure what we as a country will do when the shit starts hitting the fan in a decade. We cant balance the budget now with a surplus in SS. How the hell are we going to balance it when it starts running a deficit?

Most likely, some people won't get paid - and SS will have amounted to theft by the government.

Didn't Bush borrow billions from SS for his War and other shit that was guaranteed to be paid back 20 years later .. when we won't have any money to pay it back?

 

[sierrita]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It's a pity the mothers of you worthless shit hadn't spent their lives making money and getting ahead in some career to provide for their old age instead of wasting their lives on raising garbage.

I always like your acid but the two are not mutually exclusive. The baby boomers have embraced avarice and worshiped the dollar, running themselves into sickening and despicable levels of debt. They work their lives and have nothing to show for it or on what to rely when they age and cannot work.

Excuse me, the percentage of Boomers that own their own home is significantly higher than your generation. I wouldn't be surprised that the percentage of foreclosures is significantly higher for your generation than it for for the Boomers too.

Perhaps that's because greedy asshole baby boomer speculators drove the prices of homes to stratospheric levels.

Inter made-up generational bickering?

:roll:

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It's a pity the mothers of you worthless shit hadn't spent their lives making money and getting ahead in some career to provide for their old age instead of wasting their lives on raising garbage.

I always like your acid but the two are not mutually exclusive. The baby boomers have embraced avarice and worshiped the dollar, running themselves into sickening and despicable levels of debt. They work their lives and have nothing to show for it or on what to rely when they age and cannot work.

Excuse me, the percentage of Boomers that own their own home is significantly higher than your generation. I wouldn't be surprised that the percentage of foreclosures is significantly higher for your generation than it for for the Boomers too.

Perhaps that's because greedy asshole baby boomer speculators drove the prices of homes to stratospheric levels.

Gotta make sure they have money for their retirement:thumbsup:

 

[bamacre]

Just in case some of you are living under a rock...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS2fI2p9iVs

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It's a pity the mothers of you worthless shit hadn't spent their lives making money and getting ahead in some career to provide for their old age instead of wasting their lives on raising garbage.

I always like your acid but the two are not mutually exclusive. The baby boomers have embraced avarice and worshiped the dollar, running themselves into sickening and despicable levels of debt. They work their lives and have nothing to show for it or on what to rely when they age and cannot work.

Excuse me, the percentage of Boomers that own their own home is significantly higher than your generation. I wouldn't be surprised that the percentage of foreclosures is significantly higher for your generation than it for for the Boomers too.

Perhaps that's because greedy asshole baby boomer speculators drove the prices of homes to stratospheric levels.

Gotta make sure they have money for their retirement:thumbsup:

Sure, buy it on credit like everything else the boomers have.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It's a pity the mothers of you worthless shit hadn't spent their lives making money and getting ahead in some career to provide for their old age instead of wasting their lives on raising garbage.

I always like your acid but the two are not mutually exclusive. The baby boomers have embraced avarice and worshiped the dollar, running themselves into sickening and despicable levels of debt. They work their lives and have nothing to show for it or on what to rely when they age and cannot work.

Excuse me, the percentage of Boomers that own their own home is significantly higher than your generation. I wouldn't be surprised that the percentage of foreclosures is significantly higher for your generation than it for for the Boomers too.

Perhaps that's because greedy asshole baby boomer speculators drove the prices of homes to stratospheric levels.

Gotta make sure they have money for their retirement:thumbsup:

Sure, buy it on credit like everything else the boomers have.

Your generation is in the same situation except you don't have the assests they do.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Frankly, every one of the founders believed that the Constitution was a document of the living, not the dead. The Constitution was a base document upon which a foundation was laid for amendments, both additions and reductions, but all of which must be tied to the foundation.

To believe that the Constitution sets down a set of over-arching rules is to completely ignore the idea of Common Law and changing society. Humanity must be far more fluid than believing that the historical figures knew everything that a future society would encounter.

That isn't to say that base principals, such as equality, privacy, right to bear arms, and other items shouldn't be strictly followed.

However, things *DO* change ad we must adapt.

As far as many of the other problems we have, I do believe we'll have situations come to a head.

I am glad you brought this up, LK.

Yes, they did believe that it needed to be changed due to changing times. But like you kinda said, changes made should NOT be made that would alter the intentions and beliefs behind the document. If it is a "living document" then it is also a "dead document," because it can no longer protect us if the intentions and beliefs of the document can be changed. When it was written, did people not get old, did they not retire, did they not need to be taken care of when they could no longer work? Is retirement something that is only 225 years old? Was there no such thing as health care when the Constitution was written? Obviously this is not the case, LK.

Again, the Constitution is a *FRAMEWORK*, not a document which you must live by forever and interpret everything inside of it.

If we did that we'd be living like it was 1776, which is an absolutely retarded idea. In order for society to be advanced it must adapt to changing times, this includes additional social services, some of which were envisioned by several of the founding fathers (including Jefferson's idea for free public education).

As long as the people want these changes and do not countermand the Constitution directly, they aren't UnConstitutional.

For example, the founding of the country was based upon the idea that people need representation for taxation. That we raise taxes to fund infrastructure isn't unconstitutional.

It's laughable that you want to retain such a strict definition, against all will of the people.

If you want to go live as a pig farmer who doesn't use any public service, then go do so.

 

[bamacre]

You know, we can play the blame game forever, and it's not gonna do anyone any good.

We need to look at the problems we have today, we need to look at why those problems came about, we need to fix them, and we need to prevent them from happening again.

The blame game doesn't end. And when we continue to elect leaders who try to solve problems by piling more problems on top, and it's the game both parties are playing, we're gonna leave a horrible world for future generations.

 

[sierrita]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It's a pity the mothers of you worthless shit hadn't spent their lives making money and getting ahead in some career to provide for their old age instead of wasting their lives on raising garbage.

I always like your acid but the two are not mutually exclusive. The baby boomers have embraced avarice and worshiped the dollar, running themselves into sickening and despicable levels of debt. They work their lives and have nothing to show for it or on what to rely when they age and cannot work.

Excuse me, the percentage of Boomers that own their own home is significantly higher than your generation. I wouldn't be surprised that the percentage of foreclosures is significantly higher for your generation than it for for the Boomers too.

Perhaps that's because greedy asshole baby boomer speculators drove the prices of homes to stratospheric levels.

Gotta make sure they have money for their retirement:thumbsup:

Sure, buy it on credit like everything else the boomers have.

Huh? if people didn't buy their homes on credit, their would be very little private home ownership.