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Rosenstein Suggested He Secretly Recorded Trump and Discussed 25th Amendment

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jackstar7 said:
I do disagree. Particularly since it was the server that wasn't hacked.

No one wanted to hear that it was successful security.
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That's new. When did they prove it wasn't hacked? I only remember there being insufficient proof to prove it was hacked.

Regardless of whether it was safe security, Hillary violated an Obama administration rule for her convenience. Then, instead of admitting her mistake when someone found out, she created an air of secrecy by having an attorney screen her email before turning the server over to the FBI and cried whataboutism because other people had used private email for business in the past (caveat - I don't recall if she did that herself or just other people defending he).

Comey's letter contributed to her loss, but giving him the sole blame is preposterous.
 
Cozarkian said:
You shouldn't, but you should recognize that Hillary made deliberate decisions concerning the server that substantially hurt her campaign.
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So when is she going to jail? I’m waiting.
I keep hearing about all these crimes she’s committed and I figured a Republican run White House, Senate, House and Justice Department would get it done.
When can I expect to see Hillary jailed?

BTW Hillary is not the President or in Government or running again.
If she’s not important enough to be spoken about in Texas History classes, she’s not important enough for this thread.
 
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Fanatical Meat said:
So when is she going to jail? I’m waiting.
I keep hearing about all these crimes she’s committed and I figured a Republican run White House, Senate, House and Justice Department would get it done.
When can I expect to see Hillary jailed?
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Lock her up chants incoming. Mindless 'Muricans.
 
Fanatical Meat said:
So when is she going to jail? I’m waiting.
I keep hearing about all these crimes she’s committed and I figured a Republican run White House, Senate, House and Justice Department would get it done.
When can I expect to see Hillary jailed?
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How is that question at all relevant to the argument I have raised in this thread?

Someone suggested Comey was solely responsible for Trump's winning the election. I am challenging that absurd position by pointing out that Comey's letter would not have existed if Hillary hadn't deliberately violated Obama's policy concerning email and wouldn't have been nearly as damaging if Hillary hadn't made poor strategic decisions that fed fuel to the fire.

Last I checked, violating a work-place policy and responding poorly after that violation is publicized are not crimes.
 
Cozarkian said:
How is that question at all relevant to the argument I have raised in this thread?

Someone suggested Comey was solely responsible for Trump's winning the election. I am challenging that absurd position by pointing out that Comey's letter would not have existed if Hillary hadn't deliberately violated Obama's policy concerning email and wouldn't have been nearly as damaging if Hillary hadn't made poor strategic decisions that fed fuel to the fire.

Last I checked, violating a work-place policy and responding poorly after that violation is publicized are not crimes.
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But Her email.....
Your act is tired and thoroughly played out. Hillary lost get over it.
 
Cozarkian said:
How is that question at all relevant to the argument I have raised in this thread?

Someone suggested Comey was solely responsible for Trump's winning the election. I am challenging that absurd position by pointing out that Comey's letter would not have existed if Hillary hadn't deliberately violated Obama's policy concerning email and wouldn't have been nearly as damaging if Hillary hadn't made poor strategic decisions that fed fuel to the fire.

Last I checked, violating a work-place policy and responding poorly after that violation is publicized are not crimes.
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And if there was no Weiner, the evil turtle, or Benghazi "scandal" (which led to the server/email issue), we wouldn't be discussing this. It's okay to suggest Comey's ridiculous decision to leave one investigation hidden (being much more significant and disturbing) while opening the other again over something unlikely to yield anything could have tipped the balance. Everyone knows what is meant by that.
 
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jackstar7 said:
You want to prove a negative? Fascinating. Do go on...
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You are the one who stated a negative as fact, so I want to know how you proved a negative. Heck, I'll settle for citations showing that any method that could have likely been used to hack her server would have been likely to left signs that the FBI would have discovered during the investigation.

I don't have enough technical knowledge to know whether all hacking is like forcible breaking and entering (likely to leave physical evidence behind), so it is possible that a lack of evidence of hacking is strong evidence that hacking didn't occur, but I don't recall it ever being reported that way.
 
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The fact that Trump has been silent about this makes me think he might have had prior word from whoever is "leaking" this. If this was a surprise to Trump, he would've commented by now.

I think this was all planned. There is a plan afoot to get rid of Rosenstein.
 
FIVR said:
The fact that Trump has been silent about this makes me think he might have had prior word from whoever is "leaking" this. If this was a surprise to Trump, he would've commented by now.

I think this was all planned. There is a plan afoot to get rid of Rosenstein.
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Hopefully his assertion that he believes the 25th Amendment does not apply to Trump will be enough to save his job.
 
FIVR said:
Apparently somebody who was privy to the conversation is pushing back, saying the comment was "obvious sarcasm". This seems like a hit job by NYT on Rosenstein.


Funny how people call the NYT "liberal" when they were the biggest purveyors of the Hillary email story and now they are going after Rosenstein to help Trump.
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They've also broken lots of stories which are incredibly damning to Trump. I think they're just reporting on what sources are telling them here.
 
Maxima1 said:
And if there was no Weiner, the evil turtle, or Benghazi "scandal" (which led to the server/email issue), we wouldn't be discussing this. It's okay to suggest Comey's ridiculous decision to leave one investigation hidden (being much more significant and disturbing) while opening the other again over something unlikely to yield anything could have tipped the balance. Everyone knows what is meant by that.
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My sole point was that Comey himself is not the sole blameworthy person for Hillary's loss. Hillary knowingly broke a rule for her own convenience, that is blameworthy. It doesn't even have to be about the server, there are other factors that contributed to her loss - the whole Bernie got a bad rap issue, Hillary giving paid speeches to Wall Street banks, etc... Maybenone of those were as damaging as Comey's letter, but they certainly luco tributes to Trump winning.

The stated proposition that Comey deserves full blame is as absurd as Trump's claims about attendance at his inauguration and yet people refuse to admit that someone else might have some blame simply because they can't handle any criticism that Hillary was not a flawless political candidate.

I apologize to the OP, I did not mean to derail this thread. I was just looking for a simple admission of an exaggerated, untenable position and did not expect such a vehement defense of that position.
 
Cozarkian said:
So because there was a chant in the past nobody can ever criticize Hillary without joining the chant?
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I never said that. Criticize to your hearts content. Butterymails was a big factor in the chant, and the promise was to lock her up. I find your alleged misunderstanding insincere.
 
FIVR said:
The fact that Trump has been silent about this makes me think he might have had prior word from whoever is "leaking" this. If this was a surprise to Trump, he would've commented by now.

I think this was all planned. There is a plan afoot to get rid of Rosenstein.
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The odds that this was a surprise to Trump are near zero.
 
The original source here was Andrew McCabe. He wrote memos detailing his conversations with various people, and there's a memo somewhere about an alleged conservation he had with Rosenstein where this was said. McCabe turned all his memos over to Mueller months ago. His lawyer says McCabe did not leak this to the Times and that he has no idea how it got leaked.

There are apparently anonymous sources who were also "in the room" who have differing opinions as to whether Rosenstein was serious about the wire tap.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/21/politics/rosenstein-mccabe-trump-wire/index.html

My guess is someone in the White House leaked the McCabe memo to the press. However, that doesn't make the accusation untrue. I don't know why McCabe would make a false claim in a memo about what Rosenstein said, or why others in the room would back him up. It's probably true.
 
Cozarkian said:
My sole point was that Comey himself is not the sole blameworthy person for Hillary's loss. Hillary knowingly broke a rule for her own convenience, that is blameworthy. It doesn't even have to be about the server, there are other factors that contributed to her loss - the whole Bernie got a bad rap issue, Hillary giving paid speeches to Wall Street banks, etc... Maybenone of those were as damaging as Comey's letter, but they certainly luco tributes to Trump winning.

The stated proposition that Comey deserves full blame is as absurd as Trump's claims about attendance at his inauguration and yet people refuse to admit that someone else might have some blame simply because they can't handle any criticism that Hillary was not a flawless political candidate.

I apologize to the OP, I did not mean to derail this thread. I was just looking for a simple admission of an exaggerated, untenable position and did not expect such a vehement defense of that position.
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I don’t think I have ever heard a single person claim she was flawless. Like, ever in history.
 
Fanatical Meat said:
No idea because your guys aren’t doing what needs to be done?

or

No idea because she has been investigated multiple times and it appears there is nothing to charge Her with?

Has to be one or the other
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Lock her up anyways, due process applies to republicants only.
 
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