Rookie District Attorney Cracks Down on Drunk Drivers

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Rookie District Attorney Cracks Down on Drunk Drivers
By FRANK ELTMAN, AP

MINEOLA, N.Y. (Sept. 25) - Kathleen Rice's eyes begin to well up when she talks about the victims of drunken driving.

She cannot fathom why so many people - more than 4,100 arrested in her community last year - turn the ignition after having a few drinks. More troublesome, she said, is that one-third have been caught before.

Rice, however, can do something about it: As Nassau County district attorney, she has launched an aggressive assault on drunken driving in one of the nation's busiest traffic corridors.

She does not allow plea deals in DWI cases. She put a man on trial for murder in a horrific drunken-driving crash. And she plans to slap alcohol-sensors on the ankles of admitted alcoholics.

The moves have drawn jeers from defense attorneys who believe her approach leaves little leeway for judicial discretion. But Rice doesn't care.

"Look, if I'm a one-term DA, then I'm a one-term DA, but I am going to do everything that I can to make the changes in this county," Rice said in an interview with The Associated Press.

Rice's office is currently prosecuting a 25-year-old insurance salesman on murder charges - a rarity in drunken-driving cases - following an accident that killed a 7-year-old flower girl and the chauffeur who was driving her family home from a wedding.

While the murder case is getting national media attention, Rice said it's only one part of an effort to get drunks off Long Island highways.

Plea deals in DWI cases are no longer acceptable, she said, and this summer her office obtained a warrant for a blood sample from police inspector who was later charged with drinking and driving after crashing his unmarked police cruiser into a utility pole while off duty.

She said while getting blood samples is standard practice in other jurisdictions, it is something new in Nassau County. She also intends to use a $110,000 state grant to purchase high-tech alcohol-detecting ankle bracelets for DWI offenders who, as part of their probation, are required to stay sober.

There were 26 people killed in drunken-driving crashes last year in Nassau County, which is adjacent to New York City.

Rice keeps her emotions barely beneath the surface when she talks specifically about the family of Kate Flynn, the little flower girl who was decapitated as she slept in the back seat of a limousine that crashed head-on into a pickup truck. The driver of the pickup was allegedly three times over the legal limit and was going the wrong way on a highway when the crash occurred.

"The pain that that family is going through, they will never be the same," said Rice. "They talk to you about how now they put three kids to bed, but they say goodnight to four. I mean it just breaks your heart."

When she ran against 31-year incumbent District Attorney Denis Dillon last year, Rice hammered away at what she said was her opponent's propensity for allowing defendants to plea bargain. Once in office, she discovered that more than one-third of all the pending DWI cases involved repeat offenders.

"I almost fell to the floor when I saw that," the former federal prosecutor said. "It was clear to me that there was no deterrent message. The message was you can do this as many times as you want and you're always going to be given the option to plead out to the equivalent of a traffic infraction."

"When you have someone who gets caught one time and they learn their lesson and they never come back, well that's good for them and good for us. But that's not what's happening."

Denna Cohen, president of the Long Island chapter of Mothers Against Drunk Driving, enthusiastically endorses Rice's efforts.

"She's absolutely correct that there's an epidemic of drunk driving on Long Island," said Cohen, whose 21-year-old daughter Jodi was killed in a DWI-related accident in 1989. "There's not a day that you can open the paper and not read about another DWI crash. I am so proud of the way she is handling the situation."

Not everyone is so happy.

Defense attorney Thomas Liotti held a news conference in August claiming Rice's refusal to yield on plea bargains is too stringent. "She's basically looking at this as a black-and-white issue," he said. "People need some degree of hope, and under Kathleen Rice's policies, they're not getting it."
 

acemcmac

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I really belive that if you've had enough to drink that you crash or get caught, you've had it coming to you... that said, this lady needs to take a few deep breaths though...
 

Chaotic42

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I could think of worse things that she could do. There really is zero excuse for DWI.
 

iamwiz82

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This is ATOT, land of the holy. I forsee a thread of people wishing sh'e stick a stake through their hearts instead of wasting time on a trial.
 

Garet Jax

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Can't say I have a problem with it, but murder is a little too steep. Involuntary man-slaughter would be more appropriate in my opinion.
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
This is ATOT, land of the holy. I forsee a thread of people wishing sh'e stick a stake through their hearts instead of wasting time on a trial.

eh. I'm not really that type of person, but I can't think of very many legitimate excuses to drive drunk.
 

dquan97

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
This is ATOT, land of the holy. I forsee a thread of people wishing sh'e stick a stake through their hearts instead of wasting time on a trial.

Off with their heads!!!! :torch;
 

MrPickins

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While I agree with the DA's sentiments, she's gonna have a hard time trying these cases as murders. Doesn't that term imply intent?
 

Feldenak

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
This is ATOT, land of the holy. I forsee a thread of people wishing sh'e stick a stake through their hearts instead of wasting time on a trial.

How very, very true.
 

UDT89

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awesome. i live in nassau. im glad she's doing this. i drive home from working in a bar every weekend at 4am. it will be nice to feel a little better as these numbnuts start getting locked up.

i personally have been pulled over at least once a month for "drunk driving" just b/c i leave a bar at 430-5am. i dont drink at work so im straight, but i love these cops that when i asked why they pulled me over and its b/c they say i wasnt driving straight. LOL
 

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Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Can't say I have a problem with it, but murder is a little too steep. Involuntary man-slaughter would be more appropriate in my opinion.

Yea, I agree...it wasn't pre-meditated, so I would say 2nd degree murder be the absolute highest. What will society acheive by locking the guy up for 20 years besides a burden on taxes?
 

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of course defense attorney's are pissed off at this chic.

they don't get to syphon uber amounts of money from their drunk clients when it's an open and shut case.

I applaud the prosecution of any DWI tards.
 

AlienCraft

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What good are laws if they aren't enforced, or worse, diluted?

While the quote in my sig accurately reflects my basic position, I've never been the benifeciary of lax enforcement, and as such, see it (unequal / lax enforcement) as part of the problem.
 

Garet Jax

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Originally posted by: MrPickins
While I agree with the DA's sentiments, she's gonna have a hard time trying these cases as murders. Doesn't that term imply intent?

First degree yes, otherwise no.
 

IceBergSLiM

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when the millions of people at sports bars across america tonight leave after the football game is over. I'd venture to guess upwards of 85% or more will be driving home over the limit.
 

So

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The woman is out of control. The punishment for drunk driving is already pretty severe (understandably) -- if there is a rash of repeat offenders, upping the punishment is just stupid -- she needs to get them help for their problem. Punishing them excessively will only put more people in jail unnecessarily.
 

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Originally posted by: So
The woman is out of control. The punishment for drunk driving is already pretty severe (understandably) -- if there is a rash of repeat offenders, upping the punishment is just stupid -- she needs to get them help for their problem. Punishing them excessively will only put more people in jail unnecessarily.

No it is not. Most get a little slap on the wrist, pay a fine, and pick some trash up for a couple hours. And thats about the worst of it. If you have a lawyer then pay a fine and drive away from the court house. There are people with 2 or a LOT more DWI's and still have a driver license.

As SophalotJack was saying. The Def. laywers are mad as they can;t make more money off the drunks.
And as AlienCraft said. "What good are laws if they aren't enforced, or worse, diluted?" is very true. DWI has been more of a way to raise money, not really punish drunks.
 

mugs

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A DA who is prosecuting people for the crimes they commit? HOLY SH!T!

Wait, what's wrong with this? Other than that she cried. She shouldn't cry.
 

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Originally posted by: mugs
A DA who is prosecuting people for the crimes they commit? HOLY SH!T!

Wait, what's wrong with this? Other than that she cried. She shouldn't cry.


Yeah, that's something you don't see everyday! A DA doing their job!:thumbsup:
 

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: So
The woman is out of control. The punishment for drunk driving is already pretty severe (understandably) -- if there is a rash of repeat offenders, upping the punishment is just stupid -- she needs to get them help for their problem. Punishing them excessively will only put more people in jail unnecessarily.

No it is not. Most get a little slap on the wrist, pay a fine, and pick some trash up for a couple hours. And thats about the worst of it. If you have a lawyer then pay a fine and drive away from the court house. There are people with 2 or a LOT more DWI's and still have a driver license.

As SophalotJack was saying. The Def. laywers are mad as they can;t make more money off the drunks.
And as AlienCraft said. "What good are laws if they aren't enforced, or worse, diluted?" is very true. DWI has been more of a way to raise money, not really punish drunks.


Look up the average cost of a DUI. It completely destroys people. And quite often, good people with families too.
 

Hammer

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DAs here (Texas) are pursuing murder charges for repeat DWI offenders. Nothing new...
 

rh71

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Long Island news also... family was hit by a drunk driver... the little girl in the victim's car was found when mom reached and touched her hair... on the head that was decapitated on the floor.

Mutha-fcukin drunk drivers need to die.

EDIT>> yup that's the story in the OP.

Mutha-fcukin drunk drivers need to die. Imagine the rage if it happened to your family. No excuse for this.
 

BlancoNino

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Originally posted by: rh71
Long Island news also... family was hit by a drunk driver... the little girl in the victim's car was found when mom reached and touched her hair... on the head that was decapitated on the floor.

Mutha-fcukin drunk drivers need to die.

EDIT>> yup that's the story in the OP.

Mutha-fcukin drunk drivers need to die. Imagine the rage if it happened to your family. No excuse for this.

I'd be raged if anyone caused a wreck that killed my family...sober or not. Mutha-fcukin BAD drivers need to die.