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That's not an issue of 'not paying attention', not sure why you chose that way to make your point. Did the Wikipedia article say that and I didn't see it?
Yes, the military wanted him to serve as a doctor. That article suggests they 'used the draft as a club' to get people to enlist in the preferred areas they wanted.
That's what appears to have happened here.
You're out in the weeds. The draft lottery didn't exist at the time of Paul's service, for starters. And medical personnel are treated differently under the law, then and now, wrt conscription.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21346494
http://hasbrouck.org/draft/health.html
Do not attempt to argue about the draft with people who understood it firsthand in the Vietnam era, because you don't know what you're talking about.
I agree that the Federalist Papers weren't libertarian, but not all of the Founders wanted the Federal Constitution. The only reason it passed was because of deception and special interests. If it had been subject to popular referendum it would've failed.
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It is the bolded area that not enough information is available.
Did he walk into a AF recruiting station and state that he wanted to join as soon as he completed his internship?
Did the military tap him on the shoulder while completing his internship and he decided that the USAF would be the best place vs combat medicine or working on a ship.
What type of medical specialist was he while an intern?
The Ron Paul bots here should be able to lay to rest such speculation - they have so much inside information available to shut off rumors.
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Your second quote details what can happen and ways to avoid it based on laws passed AFTER '73
I fully agree that medical personal are treated differently w/ respect being drafted.
I also standby my statement that the statements from Paul being reported in the media, on wiki and on his website are designed to mislead on his actual involvement.
The general public has a perspective that he is exploiting by his choice of words and lack of follow up details.
I'll agree that his followers, particularly the OP, attempt to misrepresent his service. The details remain obscure, but it's obvious he never saw combat and very likely he was never stationed anywhere other than stateside. His specialty, Obstetrics & gynecology, probably meant he was stationed at a large installation to serve the needs of military families. It's the same job as in civilian life, except for the uniform.
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When only Rich Perry and Ron Paul actually served in the US military, it still makes a clear divide between those two and all the the other 2012 GOP POTUS candidates who did not.
Over the long history of the USA, we have often chosen US military leaders to elevate to President. With maybe mixed results.
But on average, I would have to say IMHO, those ex-military leaders are less likely to expend US human lives like water, than US presidents who had no military experience.
The same is not necessarily true regarding those that have been elevated to the US Presidency who have served in the military, but never achieved high command rank in combat. There we get a far more mixed record. Just look at the principle authors of the Vietnam war, LBJ never served and Nixon never achieved high military command rank. Or GWB who never got closer to losing a drop of blood than a dentist chair, but he and all his crazed neocons who never served in the military got the USA into two un winnable quagmires. Or we could talk about George McGovern, who put his life on the line bombing Germany on countless sorties could become a peace candidate for President in 1972, or Jimmy Carter who commanding a nuclear armed submarine doing the same in 1976.
And here we are in 2012, and the American people have seeming failed to learn anything about the limitations of military power as the USA spends itself into bankruptcy.
Over the long history of the USA, we have often chosen US military leaders to elevate to President. With maybe mixed results.
But on average, I would have to say IMHO, those ex-military leaders are less likely to expend US human lives like water, than US presidents who had no military experience.
The same is not necessarily true regarding those that have been elevated to the US Presidency who have served in the military, but never achieved high command rank in combat. There we get a far more mixed record. Just look at the principle authors of the Vietnam war, LBJ never served and Nixon never achieved high military command rank. Or GWB who never got closer to losing a drop of blood than a dentist chair, but he and all his crazed neocons who never served in the military got the USA into two un winnable quagmires. Or we could talk about George McGovern, who put his life on the line bombing Germany on countless sorties could become a peace candidate for President in 1972, or Jimmy Carter who commanding a nuclear armed submarine doing the same in 1976.
And here we are in 2012, and the American people have seeming failed to learn anything about the limitations of military power as the USA spends itself into bankruptcy.
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or people like you are to small minded and have no critical thinking abilities and just want to keep piling more shit on top of shit. you see something broken and go "how can i fix it?" instead of going "fuck it, lets just start over the pile has gotten to big" you're stuck in the status quo and you don't even realize it. pathetic. it's not a throw back to older ideals etc that is needed, it's to get back away from the stupid shit that has been piled on for the last century or so.
Except just throwing everything out and starting over is a pretty extreme reaction to problem solving, and libertarians haven't (IMO) been terribly convincing in their argument that we're at that point. I'm particularly suspicious of that kind of solution as well since it has an appealing laziness about it. We don't have to do any work coming up with specific problems and developing solutions, we can just start wildly swinging the hatchet until everything improves.
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I think the fact that our FIRST attempt at a weak federal government wasn't working so well may have had something to do with it.
Yeah, because in the last century we've turned from a backwoods marginal global player to the biggest economy on the planet with the largest tech base, largest IP base, a high quality of living...etc
Yeah, fuck all of this "shit", throw it all away and go back to being a backwoods bumbfuck country. Yeah, that's the ticket!
What's funny is that somebody like you accuses me of not critically thinking and being "small minded" when your first thought in fixing this problem is "ME GRIMLOCK, ME SMASH, SMASH SMASH SMASH". Go back to your cave cro magnon and let the adults fix things.
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Not sure if you're trolling or actually believe any of that, but if you're serious.
I don't think a lot of people understand that curriculum is already largely determined by the states and local school districts, the federal ED doesn't really have much say in it and it was only recently with NCLB that they started setting national standards that must be met. Schools could already stop teaching evolution if they wanted and teach creationism or whatever instead, remember when Kansas did it back in 2005? They didn't exclude evolution from the curriculum, but ID was included as an alternate theory to be taught alongside evolution in science classes. And when the midterm elections rolled around in 2006, four of the six Republicans on the KS Board of Education who supported that nonsense were voted out and the new science standards were quickly overturned. Even in the bible belt most parents do not support ID being taught in science classes because, frankly, it isn't science. It's a discussion that would be appropriate in an elective philosophy class or something like that, but most people can recognize that it has no place in the science classroom, at least not as part of the official curriculum.
Here's some highlights from a study that was done back in 1999 in response to Kansas BoE removing Darwin's theory of evolution from state standardized tests (this was also overturned just a few years later). And I guarantee the public has become even more accepting of evolution since then, not less.
http://www.pfaw.org/media-center/publications/evolution-and-creationism-public-education
The rest of the hyperbole in your post is probably equally unlikely to ever be an issue. Not saying that some of that stuff couldn't conceivably happen in some backwater part of the country, but most of the US is not that backward.
And 1. isn't even that shocking, I'm an atheist and have never understood the big stink about voluntary prayer in public schools, for example. As long as students aren't forced to participate, I don't really see the big deal, I couldn't care less if someone wants to pray while I'm around because it has no bearing whatsoever on my beliefs. But obviously the USSC disagrees, it could be construed as a state establishment of religion. Banning prayer in public schools could also be construed as a violation of the Free Exercise Clause, though. The two clauses are kind of contradictory IMO.
President Carter quit the Navy as a Lieutenant to go back home to run the family business. Never commanded a sub. He was qualified as a diesel-electric sub commander but never was actually given a command.
Unfortunately, the problem is that the racist lunatic Ron Paul doesn't think that the Free Exercise Clause applies to the states.
Yeah, let's minimize the fact that Obama's a very highly educated attorney that raised himself up from pretty much nothing, attending some of the best schools in the world. Paul has been a career politician for decades. Cain, can't say much for him and he's irrelevant since he's not even running anymore.
I am talking about mandatory school prayer, before the SCOTUS ruled that the 14th amendment prevented school prayer, some schools had MANDATORY school prayers. Ron Paul would repeal the 14th amendment and once again we could have MANDATORY school prayer.
In the mind of Ron Paul if the state governments wanted to do these things they should have a right to. People need protection from tyrannical governments, and state governments can be just as tyrannical.
Obviously one man cannot repeal the 14th amendment. It is doubtful if support for such a repeal is even in the double digits.
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Usually reserved the Army/Marine medics.
Even in M.A.S.H. they were portrayed as 3-5 miles behind the lines.
Community organizer.
Or we could have an actor/corporate spokesperson (Reagan) or nuclear sub guy (Carter).
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Sure it is the duty of all American men to register for the draft and go if called. You have to at least respect him as a lot of other politicians got deferments, hid out in the national guard, or went to Canada.
Not a Ron Paul supporter.. but still felt that was worth mentioning.
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He did not "raise himself up". His rich grandparents lifted him up. They paid for his schooling, etc. Do not pretend he was a poor ghetto boy who gained success by his own hard work and determination. He was given a silver spoon by his rich grandparents who took him in.
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This "rich grandparents" is a whole cloth lie of yours. Obama's grandparents were solidly middle-class. His grandmother was a bank clerk who worked her way up to middle management by her talent and drive, with little formal education. Pretty much the same job my mother had, but Obama's grandmother rose further. After service in WWII Obama's grandfather worked mostly in various furniture stores.
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