It is not a straw man, it is perfectly backed up by what people are posting. You guys make all sorts of stupid assertions that really have no grounding in reality. They ignore basic pyschology and sociology tenants that are provable.
Take for example, this silly quest of your fellow circle-jerkers. They think that using a "free market" system of mercenaries will somehow be more beneficial. Yet, when that same system was used in Iraq, it was abused massively, resulted in tons of ill-will and bad press, resulted in lawsuits and lawlessness, and resulted in the ejection of Blackwater from Iraq.
Why? Because they chased profits, saying the ends justfied the means, but the ends were not uniform. Their "end" was personal wealth, our "end" was to put Iraq straight. People do stupid things for money, they do even more stupid things for money when they have no oversight. Blackwater was given unfettered "free market" reign in iraq, L. Paul Bremmer absolved them from any Iraqi law and the US Military absolved them of any responsibility under the military.
When you do this type of thing, paying people to kill for money without stringent guidelines, you get lawlessness.
That isn't a "strawman", it is just proof you guys can't even reason yourselves out of a wet paper bag.
Andrew1990
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So, anti Pirate private citizens. I like it. What this country needs now is some old fashion laws back.
I would love to hunt down pirates to make money.
I would love to hunt down pirates to make money.
halik
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DING
Deploying mercenaries will always, always come with enormous agency problems, simply because their end goal is to maximize profit and yours is never that.
I am astounded that after the blackwater/iraq clusterfuck, people still think that blind outsourcing is a better great idea.
No, not "Bingo!", I know it's easy for you to add nothing but another go 'round in the RPB circle jerk.
I don't believe another law will make utopia, I believe the application of correct laws make things better, but never utopia.
halik
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Err what BoberFett did there is the DEFINITION of strawman. Instead of attacking why "free markets" aren't always the best solution (LK's argument), he twisted LK's argument into "more laws make things better" and then refuted why "more laws" isn't always better.
Coincidentally this is why people disregard RP nuts as nuts.
Hi, I believe you've met
The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern:
1. Person A has position X.
2. Person B ignores X and instead presents position Y.
Y is a distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including:
1. Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position and then refuting it, thus giving the appearance that the opponent's actual position has been refuted.[1]
2. Quoting an opponent's words out of context ? i.e. choosing quotations which are intentionally misrepresentative of the opponent's actual intentions (see contextomy and quote mining).[2]
3. Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then refuting that person's arguments - thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.[1]
4. Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
5. Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.
3. Person B attacks position Y, concluding that X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious, because attacking a distorted version of a position fails to constitute an attack on the actual position.
Yes, it's "Bingo!", I know it's easy for you to add nothing but another go 'round in the big government circle jerk.
I don't believe Ron Paul will make utopia, I believe the application of smaller government would make things better, but never utopia.
Yes, I expect you'll jump in with numbnuts and defend his nutjobbery with anyone who disagrees.
You see, the concept of libertopia doesn't imply that you wish to create libertopia. It implies that your assertions of "free market" and other such bullshit can only happen in libertopia.
theflyingpig
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Good. It would be wonderful to have a fully grown Jesus with a tortured mind. Imagine the chaos he would bring to the world.
First
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It looks like a terrible idea. Ron Paul does have a few great ideas, unfortunately he's so extreme and out to lunch that he isn't taken seriously on the few good ideas he actually does have (mostly just civil rights/liberties).
As far as him being a good POTUS, we'd be far worse off; he'd bankrupt the country by deregulating the markets and destroying gov't services, creating financial and national security havoc, 19th/early 20th century ponzi schemes, a total loss of confidence in foreign direct investment and trade generally, all as a result of his zero understanding of economics, finance, defense, etc. Much like his followers, whose threads get ignored and/or wimp out on.
As far as him being a good POTUS, we'd be far worse off; he'd bankrupt the country by deregulating the markets and destroying gov't services, creating financial and national security havoc, 19th/early 20th century ponzi schemes, a total loss of confidence in foreign direct investment and trade generally, all as a result of his zero understanding of economics, finance, defense, etc. Much like his followers, whose threads get ignored and/or wimp out on.
here's my thinking outside of the box solution
censor all media from reporting on all things related Somalia
ignorance is bliss!
censor all media from reporting on all things related Somalia
ignorance is bliss!
There's nothing stopping them from doing this already. The reason they havent is because its too damn expensive.
They dont need to hire mercenaries. All they need is a proper panic room onboard each ship. Once under attack, everyone pile in, call for help, and wait for the seals to take care of the helpless pirates.
The reason they havent done that either? Its too expensive.
The piracy problem is blown WAY out of proportion. Theyre just thugs.
They dont need to hire mercenaries. All they need is a proper panic room onboard each ship. Once under attack, everyone pile in, call for help, and wait for the seals to take care of the helpless pirates.
The reason they havent done that either? Its too expensive.
The piracy problem is blown WAY out of proportion. Theyre just thugs.
Originally posted by: Andrew1990
So, anti Pirate private citizens. I like it. What this country needs now is some old fashion laws back.
I would love to hunt down pirates to make money.
And I would pay to see you do it. Please take a camera. Make it live in case they get you before you get them.
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