Ron Paul pulls into second in Iowa

[guyver01]

Don't you dare call Dr. Paul a stupid piece of shit

i agree.

don't insult shit like that.

 

[Anarchist420]

Okay, so two Ron Paul supporters in this thread. Neither was capable of addressing even a single issue I raised. At least you did a little better than Nemesis's reply which was simply a youtube video. Nemesis, is reading and thinking too difficult for you? Silth, it almost sounds like you're saying "his ideas are just so radically different that they just may work!" That does not address a single point that I made of ideas that will NOT work.

Selling land will not get us out of our fiscal mess. It merely kicks the can down the road. Telling the FDA and FTC to get out of holistic medicine's hair? Wtf level of ignorance from Ron Paul and his supporters on that one. One that I will concede is that perhaps corporate taxes need to be decreased in the US. Nonetheless, as a percent of the GDP, they're really not much different than other industrialized countries. But, if lowering corporate taxes, they need to close the corporate loopholes (and not create new loopholes in the process.) But, stopping all foreign aid? That appeals to rednecks. But anyone with any awareness of what's going on in the world beyond their backyard, let alone the borders of the US, knows that it's a horrible idea.

BTW, I created that entire post just by going from page to page for a couple minutes on his site before lunch. I could probably have made that post five times as long, but it seems the two of you are incapable of discussing a single one of those points.

Actually, selling land to balance the budget is what Jackson did. His admin's treasury didn't get all that money from tariffs and there were no internal revenue sources (Jefferson abolished them and then Madison reinstated them to fund the war of 1812, but they were abolished thereafter) when he was President.

If the land and weapons are sold wisely, then that actually is a good way to balance the budget. If they paid off the national debt all at once that way, then there would be no more interest payments required and the budget could be balanced right away if spending was cut to revenues. The debt to the Fed doesn't have to be paid back, and it's debateable as to whether intragovernmental debt is actually debt. Then we shouldn't pay back all of the debt to American creditors nor should we pay back all the debt to foreign creditors. Certainly not more than 1/2. That way, the government could sell it's 15T or worth of assets and still have a lot of money left over for the future. That would be 6T or so which leaves plenty of time to phase social security and medicare out.

Also, the capital gains taxes, especially on gold and silver need to be abolished (people lose money from gold and silver transactions due to the way they're taxed). For one, people who pay CG taxes already pay a disproporationate share of corporate tax. For another, abolition of CG would lower prices because those people would save that cash.

Ron Paul proposes ending inflationary policies, and allowing completely tax free health savings accounts and deductions for all medical expenses (that would be cheaper than employer provided health insurance; the internal revenue code of 1954 is where the whole health care mess started). All of that can phase medicare out. He has also supported lowering the cost of Medicare Part D which none of the other Republicans support.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Of course he didn't say those things. They were written.

Paul believes in liberty for everyone? Cool, so he supports gay marriage now?

Ron Paul is an unassimilated piece of shit who should be deported to Somalia.

I don't know where Paul stands on gay marriage . What Paul believes is those decisions are left up to the state and the people of that state . I agree totally. Same with drugs Paul believes the federal government should have No say in these matters . But the state does and the people of said states. You really need to listen to the man. He strong believer in state rights as I am. Fed has no right to make these laws. The big states have more representatives and what the people of these states want is pushed on to other states.
Paul actually gets it . What is written in the constitution that is .

 

[guyver01]

Hell.. even Ron Paul says he can't survive a long primary

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/14/ron-paul-im-not-sure-i-have-the-stamina-for-a-long-primary/

if the dude questions his stamina for a 1 year battle for nomination... how the fuck is he gonna last 4 years as a president?

“I’m not looking forward to anything being long and protracted. So I hope it ends rather quickly and we do real well in the beginning of the year,” Paul said while campaigning in New Hampshire, according to CNN. “The organization is fantastic. The question is: am I going to hold up if I keep doing all this.”

 

[Nemesis 1]

Your point is what? That paul thinks the campaign trail is tuff. So do I . He has been working longer and harder than anyone else for 2012

So now we will see the media pick up on this. As its a talking point that they will use against Paul . I personally find that statement refreshing the mans cander (candid) and honesty is not questionable.

 

[CanOWorms]

I don't know where Paul stands on gay marriage . What Paul believes is those decisions are left up to the state and the people of that state . I agree totally. Same with drugs Paul believes the federal government should have No say in these matters . But the state does and the people of said states. You really need to listen to the man. He strong believer in state rights as I am. Fed has no right to make these laws. The big states have more representatives and what the people of these states want is pushed on to other states.
Paul actually gets it . What is written in the constitution that is .

Paul believes in state authoritarianism. He's ok with a state oppressing all minorities. State rights is just a vehicle that is commonly used by far-right organizations in order to be able to subjugate minority groups under their heel. They can only do that in states if the federal government is incapable of preventing it.

He doesn't understand the Constitution. He doesn't fight for it. He fights for his own bizarre interpretation of the Constitution. He also wants to amend large chunks of the Constitution out. So, he supports the Constitution and understands it, but only if you chop out large portions of it.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Of course he didn't say those things. They were written.

Paul believes in liberty for everyone? Cool, so he supports gay marriage now?

Ron Paul is an unassimilated piece of shit who should be deported to Somalia.

You know whats really interesting about your statement . Paul in his whole being believes you have every right to say such things. He wouldn't even debate you on it. As he would simpley write you off as someone who does a polonaise. It would take 3 of your kind to change a light bulb 1 to hold the light. The other two to spin the chair.

 

[smokeyjoe]

Paul believes in state authoritarianism. He's ok with a state oppressing all minorities. State rights is just a vehicle that is commonly used by far-right organizations in order to be able to subjugate minority groups under their heel. They can only do that in states if the federal government is incapable of preventing it.

He doesn't understand the Constitution. He doesn't fight for it. He fights for his own bizarre interpretation of the Constitution. He also wants to amend large chunks of the Constitution out. So, he supports the Constitution and understands it, but only if you chop out large portions of it.

Do you define states rights as "state authoritarianism"? So called "states rights" are the vehicle for the prevention of an authoritarian, centralized federal government or what the Founding Fathers recognized as the British monarchy.

The united States of America (50 separate states) vs. The United State of America (one Federal zone).

 

[bfdd]

CanOWorms lols. Do you really think any state is going to start subjugating minority groups now a days? You think that would fly at all? Please, society has changed give it the fuck up. Oh noes 100 red necks in bum fuck no where might kill 1 black guy. That wouldn't fly and justified retribution would be laid upon those folks for it, the country is just to vastly connected now.

IMO you're the one who wants the authoritarianism to "protect" everyone.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Paul believes in state authoritarianism. He's ok with a state oppressing all minorities. State rights is just a vehicle that is commonly used by far-right organizations in order to be able to subjugate minority groups under their heel. They can only do that in states if the federal government is incapable of preventing it.

He doesn't understand the Constitution. He doesn't fight for it. He fights for his own bizarre interpretation of the Constitution. He also wants to amend large chunks of the Constitution out. So, he supports the Constitution and understands it, but only if you chop out large portions of it.

So says you. Someone who believes in entitlements. You have proven threw your statements you know nothing about Paul and are trolling and baiting only .

 

[CanOWorms]

You know whats really interesting about your statement . Paul in his whole being believes you have every right to say such things. He wouldn't even debate you on it. As he would simpley write you off as someone who does a polonaise. It would take 3 of your kind to change a light bulb 1 to hold the light. The other two to spin the chair.

He wouldn't debate on it because it would further expose his bizarre views. His background littered with race-related problems.

 

[CanOWorms]

CanOWorms lols. Do you really think any state is going to start subjugating minority groups now a days? You think that would fly at all? Please, society has changed give it the fuck up. Oh noes 100 red necks in bum fuck no where might kill 1 black guy. That wouldn't fly and justified retribution would be laid upon those folks for it, the country is just to vastly connected now.

IMO you're the one who wants the authoritarianism to "protect" everyone.

Yes, I think it can happen, especially in states with little minority population. Have you been reading about Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Arizona recently? Ron Paul would sanction that type of behavior. He would also criticize the federal government action against Arpaio.

 

[CanOWorms]

So says you. Someone who believes in entitlements. You have proven threw your statements you know nothing about Paul and are trolling and baiting only .

Ron Paul supporters who don't know about his racist newsletters must be the ones who are trolling. Those newsletters define Paul.

 

[guyver01]

Your point is what?

he's a tired old man who makes Ronald Reagan look active... he can't handle the pressure.

let the piece of shit old fool retire to a rest home somwhere.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Someone here has a race problem . The most likely person would be the one who addressed that subject. @ post 138

 

[guyver01]

Ron Paul supporters who don't know about his racist newsletters must be the ones who are trolling. Those newsletters define Paul.

you dont need to look at his newsletter... look as his talking points

 

[CanOWorms]

Do you define states rights as "state authoritarianism"? So called "states rights" are the vehicle for the prevention of an authoritarian, centralized federal government or what the Founding Fathers recognized as the British monarchy.

The united States of America (50 separate states) vs. The United State of America (one Federal zone).

He believes in state rights, which includes allowing authoritarianism in his viewpoint. He's simply against the federal government, not because of personal autonomy or civil liberties or whatever his supports say, but because he believes that the states should be able to oppress you if the majority wills it.

 

[Nemesis 1]

you dont need to look at his newsletter... look as his talking points

Lets see a video with Paul saying such a thing. Anybody can do bad graphics. Are you black or just a bleeding heart liberal

 

[RabidMongoose]

It has to be one of the following:

1. Ron Paul is a vile racist considering the horrible things that have been written under his name.
2. Ron Paul isn't racist, but has no integrity because he panders to racists as written under his name.
3. Ron Paul is so incompetent that he allowed a racist newsletter to come out of his organization and using his name for many years. If he's that incompetent, then he's definitely too incompetent to be President.

Regardless, Ron Paul has said other racist things well after the scandal of his newsletters coming out. I think that it's very likely that he's a horrible racist considering his statements, his newsletters, his defense of the newsletters, the people he has associated with, and it's not like a person who had his formative years during a very racist time in American history is unusual to be a racist. He just has too many racist connections.

 

[CanOWorms]

Lets see a video with Paul saying such a thing. Anybody can do bad graphics. Are you black or just a bleeding heart liberal

That's a statement from one of his infamous racist newsletters.

 

[guyver01]

Are you black or just a bleeding heart liberal

neither. but apparently you're racist cuz your first thought is "oh.. he must be black"

 

[Nemesis 1]

neither. but apparently you're racist cuz your first thought is "oh.. he must be black"

If I would have written are you a bleeding heart liberal or are you black . Would that have changed anything . NO it wouldn't.

 

[woolfe9999]

Hey stupid Bitch,

Don't you dare call Dr. Paul a stupid piece of shit (he's not).

And people actually have the audacity to refer to Obama as "Messiah." Liberals have never slobbered over Obama the way certain people do over Paul. It's seriously creepy.

 

[Nemesis 1]

That's a statement from one of his infamous racist newsletters.

Man you are so stuck on what was reputed to have said (written ) already debunked . Your wiggling around so much your likely to hang yourself with that noose around your scrawny neck. Give me your mailing address. I will send your family some nose-gay. I know they likely can't afford them for your funeral.

 

[Nemesis 1]

And people actually have the audacity to refer to Obama as "Messiah." Liberals have never slobbered over Obama the way certain people do over Paul. It's seriously creepy.

I recall a woman cring and saying Oh god he is the president Obama will buy me a house .