BoberFett
Lifer
- Oct 9, 1999
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Third parties and independents don't get invited to debates. That's just a fact. Ross Perot had enough money and pull to personally buy his way into the debates. Other candidates aren't so lucky, and if they want to have any chance of their message being heard, they have to fly the flag of one of the big two. Even if Paul doesn't get nominated (and realistically his chances aren't very good) at least his being in the Republican debates has interested people in his ideas. And that's what is truly important. The idea is more important than the man.
eits
Lifer
Fern
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- Sep 30, 2003
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Maybe he was thinking of Blackwater?
But as to all these claims of people twisting paul's words, look this is politics and a national election at that. He needs to be ready for that and prove he's capable of the national stage.
About 9-11, IIRC, he started off his remarks something like "They did it because WE....
That phrasing is gonna cause him problems and he should've known better than to use it.
Fern
You mean the filthy politician that he is. He's been in politics for a long time. He'd lose in an even more spectacular fashion running as an independent then as a member of the two major parties.
Kind of sad the lengths the extreme right are going to try and discredit Paul.
Shame is a strange thing and can make people engage in behavior they might not otherwise participate in. Ron Paul makes Republican's feel shameful for what they have become and what they have allowed W. to do in their name.
Shame is a strange thing and can make people engage in behavior they might not otherwise participate in. Ron Paul makes Republican's feel shameful for what they have become and what they have allowed W. to do in their name.
To paraphrase from River in the beginning of Serenity.... We meddle. People don't like to be meddled with. We tell them what to do, what to think, don't run, don't walk. We're in their homes and in their heads, and we haven't the right. We're meddlesome.
For about 50 years we have been meddling with the middle east. We have been telling them how they should do things, meddling with their internal affairs. For decades they asked us to stop, we being americans, ignored them, we're spreading democracy we're going good, we can do no wrong. We are the "morally superior" americans and we will save you. We have been screwing with their lives for so long, I'm surprised they did not do something sooner. If the same was happening to us, I know we would have done something a lot sooner.
For about 50 years we have been meddling with the middle east. We have been telling them how they should do things, meddling with their internal affairs. For decades they asked us to stop, we being americans, ignored them, we're spreading democracy we're going good, we can do no wrong. We are the "morally superior" americans and we will save you. We have been screwing with their lives for so long, I'm surprised they did not do something sooner. If the same was happening to us, I know we would have done something a lot sooner.
and for that I thank this Ron Paul that I know nothing about other than he is a Republican from Texas.
Because of that alone he cannot and will not get my support.
Maybe after 5 years of Democrat control and if the Country sees a repair from the damage done by the Republicans someone like him could gain confidence.
Candidates don't raise money because they say things they public likes - the public are largely cheap and don't think they need to donate for their candidate.
Candidates raise money by backing from 'special interests', who back them in exchange for two things - their likelihood of winning, and willingness to implement their agenda.
The candidates saying things the public likes is all about simply electability in order for the monied interests to fund them over others who will also do favors for the interests.
Why do you think Bush in 2000 was all over the map with his campaign - eliminate the deficit? Sure! Restore integrity to government? Ya! Fight global warming, cap certain pollutants? Ya! Take a clear stand against nation building and unpopular foreign intervention? Happy to! Tax cuts for everyone that won't hurt the deficit? OK! Compassionate Conservatism so you don't have to worry at all about those unpleasant cuts to popular social services! He'll hug you!
The monied interests have made money so essential to winning, to keep their own power above the icky idea of 'popular democracy', that Ron Paul needs money to win, too. His lack of money, because of his lack of getting the monied interests' backing him, is seen in his winning the debate polls while stilll having a low rating. Sorry, but if you don't like it, fix the damn system by reducing the role of money in it. And that means defeating the righties here who defend the unfettered right of big money in our politics.
Kind of sad the lengths the extreme right are going to try and discredit Paul.
He discredits himself, he doesn't need any help. No one has to do anything .. in fact, no one *is* doing anything ... that's his problem. The few people that have heard of him (aside from his local fan club) don't like what he says because he's a loon.
Ron Paul makes Republican's feel shameful do in their name.
No, he doesn't. Speak for yourself.
If you're ashamed, go hang your head and feel ashamed.
Ron Paul does not (and will not) make me feel ashamed about anything. He's been a crackpot his whole career and it doesn't look like that's gonna change anytime soon.
He discredits himself, he doesn't need any help. No one has to do anything .. in fact, no one *is* doing anything ... that's his problem. The few people that have heard of him (aside from his local fan club) don't like what he says because he's a loon.
Ron Paul makes Republican's feel shameful do in their name.
No, he doesn't. Speak for yourself.
If you're ashamed, go hang your head and feel ashamed.
Ron Paul does not (and will not) make me feel ashamed about anything. He's been a crackpot his whole career and it doesn't look like that's gonna change anytime soon.
So this OP wasn't a direct misrepresentation of his words in order to cast him in a bad light? That was my point. Thanks for trying though, I'll pass on the shame portion, I'll reserve that for you and your allies.
have a great weekend. :clock:
Once again: I don't hate Ron Paul, he's not worth the effort and energy.
Next: While I tend to vote Republican, I have voted for a number of Democrats in the past, and I undoubtedly will in the future. I'm not the lockstep FanBoi (for RP or others mentioned on this forum) that many on this forum seem to be. I vote for the candidate I feel will do the best job.
Finally: Calling people names still makes you out to the fool BoberFett. Personal attacks on people you disagree with shows everyone the limited scope of your ablity to think.
Grow up.
Whoozyerdaddy
Lifer
- Jun 27, 2005
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The interviewer suggested it and RP agreed with it.
It's a bit of a "gotcha" moment on the part of the interviewer but RP clearly agreed with his comments. Reading that and listening to the interview I agree with the OP's statement. RP's statement does in fact suggest that rent-a-cops in shopping malls are doing a better job than Marines in Iraq.
He also wants to abolish the CIA and has said that if people were allowed to carry guns on planes 9/11 would have never happened. The guy is a nut. And the people who refuse to question some of his more outlandish statements are also nuts. It's like he's Jesus or something.
eits
Lifer
he was talking about preventing a terrorist attack from happening. the soldiers in iraq aren't keeping any kind of terrorist attack from happening on american soil. the chances of mall security thwarting a terrorist act in a mall on our soil are far greater than those of an american soldier int iraq thwarting a terrorist act in a mall on our soil.
Whoozyerdaddy
Lifer
- Jun 27, 2005
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Spin it/apologize for it anyway you want. It's another careless comment to throw on his pile of careless comments. Seriously, other than his economic platform, I have no idea why you guys like him so much. He's a nut.
eits
Lifer
i guess the constitution is nutty and so is the bill of rights... i guess common sense is ludicrous, as well.
Precisely. It is unfortunate the Paul nutjobs continue to obfuscate this.
Any sane candidate would have disputed that and wrote it off as BS before the interviewer finished. Paul went right along for the ride.
We could post a whole page of stupid Paul quotes, of course, this one just happened to be a recent blurb.
ericlp
Diamond Member
- Dec 24, 2000
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Wow, Almost as bad as the whacked out Bush nutjobs that continue to spin and wiggle the angles in the light of their idle....
I could write a book about stupid bush tricks... But David Letterman and others are doing a fine job at that.
Pretty funny to say the least.
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