Romney HAS dropped out, as in past tense

[cwjerome]

Watch many of the pundits and whiners slowly change their tune about McCain. Pretty soon Rush will be talking about the hand that's dealt to them and how they have to play the one they've got, etc... So it will become more about pressuring McCain than abandoning him.

 

[Pepsei]

McCain should be able to do anything he wants... what are the conservative going to do? vote for dems?

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone

Originally posted by: BoomerD
The Mormon Menace is gone...Jay Leno opined the other night that Romney is trying to set himself up as VP.

Makes sense. With McCain being in his 70's, maybe Romney is scheming to try to get into the Presidency "through the back door" should McCain get elected and not live through his term in office...

No way. McCain openly dislikes Romney. I don't see him picking Huckabee either. Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty is a real possibility, but he looks a lot less appealing in light of the fact that MN voted for Romney in spite of the governor's endorsement of McCain (the party is in a bit of tumult here in MN - the state party chair actually endorsed Huckabee for no apparent reason other than to mess with the governor).

JFK and LBJ had a well-known dislike for each other...see how well that worked out for LBJ? 😀

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone

Originally posted by: BoomerD
The Mormon Menace is gone...Jay Leno opined the other night that Romney is trying to set himself up as VP.

Makes sense. With McCain being in his 70's, maybe Romney is scheming to try to get into the Presidency "through the back door" should McCain get elected and not live through his term in office...

No way. McCain openly dislikes Romney. I don't see him picking Huckabee either. Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty is a real possibility, but he looks a lot less appealing in light of the fact that MN voted for Romney in spite of the governor's endorsement of McCain (the party is in a bit of tumult here in MN - the state party chair actually endorsed Huckabee for no apparent reason other than to mess with the governor).

JFK and LBJ had a well-known dislike for each other...see how well that worked out for LBJ? 😀

It wasn't all that strong, IMO. After all, JFK did pick him and piss Bobby off big time, and treat him decently.

Now, Bobby and LBJ, that was a huge war.

For a real presidential-VP mismatch you have to go back a ways - though Eisenhower and Nixon had their differences. LBJ and Humphrey, too.

 

[BoomerD]

Actually, IIRC, LBJ was forced upon JFJ as a way of gathering Southern votes for the ticket. I was just a kid when this was going on, but I remember my parents discussing the "upcoming 1960 election" and how much of a mis-match the pair was. I've seen a few documentaries (which may or may not have had bias one way or the other) that mentioned how much each man disliked, not only the other, but the other's political leanings. Yankee Democrats and Southern Democrats were MUCH different in many ways. Not sure that's changed all that much in the recent decades since either, although the Southerners have become quite a bit more..."liberal" than they were almost 50 years ago...

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Watch many of the pundits and whiners slowly change their tune about McCain. Pretty soon Rush will be talking about the hand that's dealt to them and how they have to play the one they've got, etc... So it will become more about pressuring McCain than abandoning him.

Rush is already doing that.

He was talking about how conservatives can still accomplish things over the next four years and that all hope is not lost etc.

When it comes down to McCain v. Hillary/Obama I am sure he will adopt the lesser of two evils approach.

Rush does make a really good point that it is a bad idea to expand the Republican Party by inviting in liberals and moderates. We should be focused on expanding the party by converting liberals and moderates into conservatives.

 

[ProfJohn]

Don?t be surprised if McCain picks Florida governor Crist as his VP candidate.

He is very popular in Florida, which is a ?must win? state and Crist is a very solid conservative. AND even the NAACP likes him.

BTW if McCain losses look for Crist to be near the top of the candidate list for 2012.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Don?t be surprised if McCain picks Florida governor Crist as his VP candidate.

He is very popular in Florida, which is a ?must win? state and Crist is a very solid conservative. AND even the NAACP likes him.

BTW if McCain losses look for Crist to be near the top of the candidate list for 2012.

Crist...that's all we need...a President with (almost) the Jeezus name...

The Southern religious whackos will be out in force...😀

Why not Jeb Bush? I'm sure the Neocons are looking for a way to get him into the White House...

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Don?t be surprised if McCain picks Florida governor Crist as his VP candidate.

He is very popular in Florida, which is a ?must win? state and Crist is a very solid conservative. AND even the NAACP likes him.

BTW if McCain losses look for Crist to be near the top of the candidate list for 2012.

/agree

my money's on Crist, Huckabee, or Stanford in SC (in that order of likelihood). I'm sure they're all at the top of the shortlist.

 

[Bitek]

Good, he was a DBag. Great to watch him go down in flames (on his own dime too)

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Pepsei
McCain should be able to do anything he wants... what are the conservative going to do? vote for dems?

I was listening to Alan Colmes tonight and he had a couple of callers who were conservative saying that they were going to cast votes for Obama just to spite McCain.

so, if hillary wins, I am guessing that those votes will not be cast or go back to McCain. so yes, some will vote for dems, but probably only Obama. seems pretty stupid to me. All this talk of "real conservative." You vote for who best represents what you want to see happen in our country. no candidate is going to represent that 100%. That said, I will probably vote McCain, although his stance on Iraq makes me nervous. I suppose with either him or Obama there is some hope in terms of some hopefully different/successful approaches to the issues we are facing as a nation. So hard to say though...

 

[nageov3t]

we've got 6-7 months before the general election race really heats up... I think it's still too early to really say how McCain will be perceived in terms of conservative values by the time it counts, and Obama hasn't really been that closely scrutinized.

when all we're hearing about in the media is universal health care and Obama's record as one of the most liberal senators for months on end, then we'll see how much the conservatives want to spite McCain.

 

[BoomerD]

I keep hearing rumors about McCain being "Swiftboated" over allegations of his time as a POW. While these probably contain as much truth as the Kerry Swiftboating did...we all saw how much damage the lies and bullshit did there...You don't have to prove the allegations, just make them sound plausible enough to make the average voter concerned.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I keep hearing rumors about McCain being "Swiftboated" over allegations of his time as a POW. While these probably contain as much truth as the Kerry Swiftboating did...we all saw how much damage the lies and bullshit did there...You don't have to prove the allegations, just make them sound plausible enough to make the average voter concerned.

Upon reading about McCain's experiences as a POW, I find that I am more compelled to vote for him as he obviously had some character back then. Hopefully he retains that character to this day. so are people putting a negative spin on his experiences in Vietnam?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I keep hearing rumors about McCain being "Swiftboated" over allegations of his time as a POW. While these probably contain as much truth as the Kerry Swiftboating did...we all saw how much damage the lies and bullshit did there...You don't have to prove the allegations, just make them sound plausible enough to make the average voter concerned.

Upon reading about McCain's experiences as a POW, I find that I am more compelled to vote for him as he obviously had some character back then. Hopefully he retains that character to this day. so are people putting a negative spin on his experiences in Vietnam?

In the last election people made a draft-dodging National Guard deserter out to be a better soldier than a decorated war hero who actually served in Vietnam, so anything is possible.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I keep hearing rumors about McCain being "Swiftboated" over allegations of his time as a POW. While these probably contain as much truth as the Kerry Swiftboating did...we all saw how much damage the lies and bullshit did there...You don't have to prove the allegations, just make them sound plausible enough to make the average voter concerned.

Upon reading about McCain's experiences as a POW, I find that I am more compelled to vote for him as he obviously had some character back then. Hopefully he retains that character to this day. so are people putting a negative spin on his experiences in Vietnam?

The rumors that I've read are that when McCain's father got his promotion to Commander of US forces in the Pacific, McCain got preferential treatment from his captors, and perhaps even gave the North Vietnamese military information. Is it true? I don't know, and I HOPE not...we DON'T need a real-life Manchurian Candidate in our nation's highest office.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com...1/swiftboating_mc.html

http://www.vietnamveteransagai...classified_landing.htm

As a Vietnam vet myself, I've always had a great respect for McCain. Part of me gets mad as hell over allegations like this, but part of me says that IF they're true, he not only shouldn't be elected to office, but should possibly be tried for treason.
We'll have to see if any kind of "real facts" come out of this, or if it's just Swiftboating at its finest...learned from the Karl Rove handbook on political assassination.

 

[Pabster]

Frankly, BoomerD, I'm sick and tired of the "War Hero" crap. Vietnam is over. It's 2008. Can we move on?

If McCain can't come up with something else, he'll go down like Bob Dole.

We don't need another election fighting over supposed events nearly 40 years ago.