Romney comes out of the closet and would take the nomination.

[DrPizza]

It is exactly the same as the Democrats with the "Super Delegates" and Hillary. Even if Bernie gets the win the "Super Delegates" will ensure Hillary gets the nomination.

No, it's not "exactly the same." You only have to look back 8 years when it was Hillary vs. Obama. If one of the candidates has a clear majority, the super delegates typically go for that delegate. If Hilary has a majority vote, the super delegates are going to go for her. If it's a really close race, it may go the other way. But, if Bernie has a very clear majority, then he'll get most of the super delegates and the nomination.

 

[Genx87]

Oh please, please, please have no candidate get enough votes so the conversation has to be brokered. Trump plus chaos and Romney in the mix would be epic

I am actually cheering this on only for the chaos and implosion this would create at the convention.

 

[Genx87]

So much this. This could destroy their base - it's going to be really easy for people to say, "see! We told you so. They don't care about you, they do what they want for the benefit of the most powerful people. They made a joke out of the primary process - you weren't even allowed to pick who will run for your party - they said that your opinion doesn't matter - they'll just do what's best for you."

I think this was demonstrated in 2012 when the establishment changed rules to deny Ron Paul delegates at the convention. What we are seeing this year is partly a result of that tomfuckery imo. If they go for broke and give Mitt the nomination in a brokered convention all hell is going to break lose. Including an independent run by Drumpf. Because he will have felt cheated.

 

[Genx87]

It is exactly the same as the Democrats with the "Super Delegates" and Hillary. Even if Bernie gets the win the "Super Delegates" will ensure Hillary gets the nomination.

I would tend to agree with you if Bernie was doing better in the primaries. Outside of NH where he was fucked. He hasnt won a whole lot where Democrats need to use super delegates to block him out. Clinton is running away with this now regardless of super delegates.

 

[Sonikku]

Disagree. I think he could possibly walk away with it over Hilary and I'm a Hilary voter.

Doesn't matter though. So long as special interests have a puppet to manipulate on economic policy the candidate can have whatever face or social issues stances the people want.

 

[Linux23]

This is gonna be good people

 

[zinfamous]

Disagree. I think he could possibly walk away with it over Hilary and I'm a Hilary voter.

Agreed. He's better than all other current GOP candidates, and it isn't even close.

I might actually vote for Romney over Hillary.

 

[SP33Demon]

Agreed. He's better than all other current GOP candidates, and it isn't even close.

I might actually vote for Romney over Hillary.

oh shit^! sig material!

 

[zinfamous]

oh shit^! sig material!

do it. or are you too beta?

 

[SP33Demon]

do it. or are you too beta?

Done :biggrin:

 

[zinfamous]

:thumbsup:

 

[werepossum]

I don't believe either party has ever turned on their own front runner before. It's certainly an eye opener. I also find it hard to believe that they can destroy Trump, slip Romney into his place, and have the voters go along with it. Could all the top players in the GOP be so out of touch that they actually believe that this is going to work?
It's hard for me to wrap my head around this. It seems like we should at least have the illusion of having a choice, but in this case it's as though the GOP has decided that's simply not going to happen. Which begs the next question, who is going to fill the void after the GOP blows up? No sane person will have anything to do with them after this, so where will conservative voters go?

Well said. And if the GOP blows up, evangelicals/values voters will go one way and fiscal conservatives will go another, so we'll effectively be a one-party nation. Not quite sure how that would be different from now . . .

Question: What do we do when the clown car begins to empty?
Answer: We send in some more clowns.

 

[Fern]

He is out pf the closet and says he is willing to be nominated. Looks like he finally admits it.

The irony is that bush would have been better off not running so he could have been nominated on the floor.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...od-if-drafted-at-convention.html?intcmp=hpbt3

I don't do vids, but I'm betting I saw that interview yesterday.

My impression was different; Romney has no interest in being nominated. His interest is in 'anybody but Trump'. He says he will support Rubio, Cruz or Kasich.

Fern

 

[Hugo Drax]

Nope. The anti-stupid party establishment wave will drown the idiots. The Trump supporters will either stay home (along with many of the Cruz supporters) or Trump will run as an independent. Either way, the witch will win, unless she manages to enrage the Bern supporters to the point that they stay home.

Either way, the elites running both parties are nervous right now. The peasants are getting restless. Quick! Media! More reality TV!!!!

We live in interesting times. The Chinese curse is upon us.

It will be interesting 8 years from now what will happen after Hillary finishes gutting the middle class with more free trade and globalism. I wonder if you will see people finally waking up.

 

[pcgeek11]

No, it's not "exactly the same." You only have to look back 8 years when it was Hillary vs. Obama. If one of the candidates has a clear majority, the super delegates typically go for that delegate. If Hilary has a majority vote, the super delegates are going to go for her. If it's a really close race, it may go the other way. But, if Bernie has a very clear majority, then he'll get most of the super delegates and the nomination.

Actually the super delegates can legally do anything that they want. There are no rules that tie them to a specific candidate.

I guess if I had worded it more accurately I would have said they both have an equally underhanded solution to get the candidate of their choosing and a way around the desire of the people.

 

[lopri]

Republicans doing a brokered convention to get the candidate they want is equal to the Democrats using their "super delegates" to get the candidate they want. Both of these underhanded methods are screwing the voters out of their fair choice.

Are you retarded? Srsly.

And when did that, if ever, happen? Comparable to what is happening in the GOP?

P.S. Turning to personal attacks usually says more about yourself than those who you attack.

 

[lopri]

As a matter of fact, if I remember it correctly, the Democratic party's superdelegate system was adopted for the very reason of preventing contested and brokered conventions.

 

[pcgeek11]

As a matter of fact, if I remember it correctly, the Democratic party's superdelegate system was adopted for the very reason of preventing contested and brokered conventions.

So that it screws the voters out of their choice for the same end results without bringing it into the light where it can be seen for what it is.

OK, so it is even more underhanded and sneaky.

 

[compuwiz1]

The rules were created to crown queen bitch. I wonder how long it's gonna take for the Bernie supporters to figure it out? I hate to say it, but having seen some interviews of millennials, some of them are challenged, especially in math, civics and government. I asked some of my own family, who are 16 - 20, actually 4 of them, if they could name the 3 branches of government. None could correctly answer the question.

 

[sportage]

Romney isn't my guy but he gave the best speech all year when he lambasted Trump.

RiGhT... Too bad none of it was true.

Speech... Mitt Romney... Dog.... Car roof.... Diarrhea.... Animal abuse....
This is Mitt Romney in a nutshell.
The nut in a nutshell.
Have at it Mitt. Knock your self out.
Everyone is just holding their breath for Mr garage car elevator to save the day.

 

[compuwiz1]

RiGhT... Too bad none of it was true.

Speech... Mitt Romney... Dog.... Car roof.... Diarrhea.... Animal abuse....
This is Mitt Romney in a nutshell.
The nut in a nutshell.
Have at it Mitt. Knock your self out.
Everyone is just holding their breath for Mr garage car elevator to save the day.

Trump said about 38 million has been spent on negative ads against him. Not sure where and how he came up with that number, but given the amount of money poured into some of these losing campaigns, like Jeb's, I don't see how that wouldn't be possible.

My gut tells me that someone paid Mitt a lot of money to go on air and make that speech. Trump endorsed Mitt, remember that? They seemed like buddies, not long ago. There is definitely an under belly, of big money, trying to pull the trump card on Trump. In the end, I don't think it's gonna work.

Trump has NY and FL in the bag, and most likely OH. Seriously, after he wins them, what are they gonna do?

 

[Victorian Gray]

The rules were created to crown queen bitch. I wonder how long it's gonna take for the Bernie supporters to figure it out? I hate to say it, but having seen some interviews of millennials, some of them are challenged, especially in math, civics and government. I asked some of my own family, who are 16 - 20, actually 4 of them, if they could name the 3 branches of government. None could correctly answer the question.

I'm curious, what rules were changed since the the last primaries when Obama won?

 

[zinfamous]

The rules were created to crown queen bitch. I wonder how long it's gonna take for the Bernie supporters to figure it out? I hate to say it, but having seen some interviews of millennials, some of them are challenged, especially in math, civics and government. I asked some of my own family, who are 16 - 20, actually 4 of them, if they could name the 3 branches of government. None could correctly answer the question.

The funny thing here is that your statement is more an indictment on your family's education than on your perceived group of generational enemies.

 

[lopri]

So that it screws the voters out of their choice for the same end results without bringing it into the light where it can be seen for what it is.

OK, so it is even more underhanded and sneaky.

It is not that simple as you infer from the current state of the GOP affair. The rules were made way before the primary season began. Imagine a situation where earned delegates are proportioned as follows:

Scenario 1

Candidate A: 40%
Candidate B: 30%
Candidate C: 30%​

Or,
Scenario 2

Candidate A: 45%
Candidate B: 45%
Candidate C: 10%​

My understanding is that a GOP convention rule requires a majority of delegate for the first ballot. How would you proceed in scenarios like the above to uphold wills of voters? In the scenario 1, can candidate B and candidate C make a deal so that one of them will acquire combined 60% of delegates? In the scenario 2, the candidate C can essentially become a king maker even though he only has 10% of the delegates. Does that reflect the will of voters? In any competition with more than 2 participants this kind of dilemma is inevitable unless a single clear winner who wins majority votes emerges.

P.S. We are talking about two major parties of the U.S. If any candidate thought there were anything underhanded or sneaky in the primary rules, he or she should and would have contested them before the primary began.

 

[hal2kilo]

I am actually cheering this on only for the chaos and implosion this would create at the convention.

Sure as hell going to be some entertainment this summer. Lately, I could care less about the show pieces both parties have called conventions and have not watched either of them. This one will be different, it will be like watching sausage made.