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ROME: Total War

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TheNiceGuy

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-What exactly do the scriptorium and successors do? Just add retinue members to family members stationed in that city?
-Is the effect of Wonders on your cities public order only temporary? If so, how long?
-If you march on Rome whith the support of the Public, will the other families attack you?

thx!
 
Scriptoriums help train the governors in the city. I think governors of cities with scriptoriums and such will end up with better perks. The description says that cities would be better run too, but I haven't really noticed it.

Public wonders have permanent effects and they even affect surround territories. I think it's proportional to distance.

I haven't gotten to that point yet.

I have a question of my own though. How do you guys deal with the problem of cities being too far from the capital? I've moved my capital a few times, but it's hard to find a good spot.
 
Originally posted by: igowerf
I have a question of my own though. How do you guys deal with the problem of cities being too far from the capital? I've moved my capital a few times, but it's hard to find a good spot.
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You mean with revolts? Best way is to keep a nice sized garrison in each city. Razing cities when you take them also helps keep revolt down for a while. Just let the F'ers revolt then slaughter their peasant arses for it and raze the city.

Distance from capital is one of the lesser factors in revolt actually. I took over the entire map with Germania. I usually go with one of the towns in southern Italy for my capital because the cultural hit and squallar in Egypt was a bummer.
 
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: igowerf
I have a question of my own though. How do you guys deal with the problem of cities being too far from the capital? I've moved my capital a few times, but it's hard to find a good spot.
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You mean with revolts? Best way is to keep a nice sized garrison in each city. Razing cities when you take them also helps keep revolt down for a while. Just let the F'ers revolt then slaughter their peasant arses for it and raze the city.

Distance from capital is one of the lesser factors in revolt actually. I took over the entire map with Germania. I usually go with one of the towns in southern Italy for my capital because the cultural hit and squallar in Egypt was a bummer.
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Yeah. After a while, I started either killing or enslaving everyone. I found that it actually helps a lot with income, especially if the city was already very advanced. When I took Sparta, it was very advanced, but since I choose to enslave everyone, the population was lower and the city ended up making insane amounts of money.

I always have at least one or two cities that grow way too fast for their own good though. For some reason, those cities start with a growth rate of 6% even at a very high tax rate. Eventually, they're growing too fast for me to keep up with new facilities and squalor in those cities skyrocket and they lose tons of money.
 
I have this game and have never been able to get started with it. Is there a good starting guide that would pick you up from the tutoril? I know there are forums at the main site but last I looked it wasn't able to help me. I guess I'll google it and see what I can find.
 
its pretty hard to not be popular with rome and actually think about marching on rome

scriptorium is pretty important, the bonuses given to your family members are significant

just raze cities as you take them, raze them again if necessary later if they get rebellious
 
Just make sure you're strong enough military to take on Rome. I marched on Rome when I wasnt strong enough but it was late in the game. Lost alot of cities to the families
 
-I took over 3 wonders around the same time, and there was a huge public order bonus - marked with icons - across my entire empire. Several turns later it just disappeared everywhere - icons too - and there was unhappy faces all across my empire. Bit of a shocker. Is it a bug?
-Also, the Plague. I have used spies to spread it, but sometiomes the spie, or the infected city miraculously reccovers the next turn. Any rhyme to this reason?
-I just found a way to deal with the big city, little order problem. Bit terrible, but it works. I moved all my troops out of the city and jacked the tax rate. In 2 turns there was a revolt, and I got 10000 gold from rome to squash it. I then exterminated everybody to get more money. I was left with a small population in a well equiped city, a real cash cow as opposed to a money pit as before. if you don't need the military buildings, you can destroy these beffore they revolt, and all they will be able to recruit will be peasant units, otherwise they will have an army of whatever is available to be built in the city. Also, I found the Shrine of Jupiter good for distance cities, as in order. I used this approach on all distance cities newly captured, and I destoyed the pagan temples of course.
 
Originally posted by: TheNiceGuy
-I took over 3 wonders around the same time, and there was a huge public order bonus - marked with icons - across my entire empire. Several turns later it just disappeared everywhere - icons too - and there was unhappy faces all across my empire. Bit of a shocker. Is it a bug?
-Also, the Plague. I have used spies to spread it, but sometiomes the spie, or the infected city miraculously reccovers the next turn. Any rhyme to this reason?
-I just found a way to deal with the big city, little order problem. Bit terrible, but it works. I moved all my troops out of the city and jacked the tax rate. In 2 turns there was a revolt, and I got 10000 gold from rome to squash it. I then exterminated everybody to get more money. I was left with a small population in a well equiped city, a real cash cow as opposed to a money pit as before. if you don't need the military buildings, you can destroy these beffore they revolt, and all they will be able to recruit will be peasant units, otherwise they will have an army of whatever is available to be built in the city. Also, I found the Shrine of Jupiter good for distance cities, as in order. I used this approach on all distance cities newly captured, and I destoyed the pagan temples of course.
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You don't understand the game, do you. When you kill off all your civilians in one big city, the profits you make from all your other cities goes down because they have to pay a bigger percentage of the taxes/budget/whatever it is than before. You actually lose money by doing that.
 
The later game is MUCH more diffucult. With the Julii, the main problem is naval. Don''t bother with building a navy. Build a strong powerfull city. The best option is to attack the larger Greek cities with only eilite soldeirs so that they can be retrained. Use the weaker soldiers to attack the smaller towns towars the north. Build three large powerful armies in you main Italian cities. Then attack Rome with one every few turns. Eventually the great walls will succumb and you will get Rome. Repair the walls to make in virtually inconquerable. And capturing Rome doesnt do much. It just ends the SPQR and its irritants. Only attack Rome once you become powerful enough. You will know this when the senate orders your leader to be killed. I would suggest compling on the first few requests. I didnot and lost almost half my empire. Also, never change capitals late in the game! I changed and half my empire revolted. Eventaully I won in about 69AD. 🙂 ...

Also use Town watches to defend small towns with walls. And use a lot of archers. You will save money. And archers will kill their seige weapons and a good part of their army. If they break in retreat to the town centre and hold up until the time runs out.
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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: TheNiceGuy
-I took over 3 wonders around the same time, and there was a huge public order bonus - marked with icons - across my entire empire. Several turns later it just disappeared everywhere - icons too - and there was unhappy faces all across my empire. Bit of a shocker. Is it a bug?
-Also, the Plague. I have used spies to spread it, but sometiomes the spie, or the infected city miraculously reccovers the next turn. Any rhyme to this reason?
-I just found a way to deal with the big city, little order problem. Bit terrible, but it works. I moved all my troops out of the city and jacked the tax rate. In 2 turns there was a revolt, and I got 10000 gold from rome to squash it. I then exterminated everybody to get more money. I was left with a small population in a well equiped city, a real cash cow as opposed to a money pit as before. if you don't need the military buildings, you can destroy these beffore they revolt, and all they will be able to recruit will be peasant units, otherwise they will have an army of whatever is available to be built in the city. Also, I found the Shrine of Jupiter good for distance cities, as in order. I used this approach on all distance cities newly captured, and I destoyed the pagan temples of course.
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You don't understand the game, do you. When you kill off all your civilians in one big city, the profits you make from all your other cities goes down because they have to pay a bigger percentage of the taxes/budget/whatever it is than before. You actually lose money by doing that.
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I disagree. Between spending the money on 1) games + races to keep an unrully population marginally happy 2)garrisioning a large military force 3)having a low tax rate, you lose a lot of money. You are much better off exiting the city, retaking it and exterminating the populace. You get the short term plunder and a good income from the city for quite a while. I used that same strategy and took over all 99 provinces before taking Rome.

 
Originally posted by: ntdz
You don't understand the game, do you. When you kill off all your civilians in one big city, the profits you make from all your other cities goes down because they have to pay a bigger percentage of the taxes/budget/whatever it is than before. You actually lose money by doing that.
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But sometimes, cities with low populations and high techonology will make tons of money. Sparta was raking in nearly 8,000 per turn for me with a population of less than 2000 and that was near the beginning of my game.
 
Originally posted by: effee
Just make sure you're strong enough military to take on Rome. I marched on Rome when I wasnt strong enough but it was late in the game. Lost alot of cities to the families
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Take them early before they can fully upgrade.

Also, if you mill around outside their city with a large army and wait to get atacked by them or one of the other families, they'll be drawn out as backup and you can annihilate them in the open field and take the city with only a few hundred defenders. 🙂 Found that out by accident.
 
Originally posted by: jack1201
Just one thought. This game make me so tired.
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It has the opposite effect on me. It's like a coffee/TV combo, where the hours slip by. Only Civ2 has destroyed as many hours, surprising me with morning light.

My strategy is pretty simple, but cumbersome later in game.
Grow every city, tax as high as possible keeping them green, and build stone walls as quickly as possible, after trader/ports (early, to boost income). Good use of archers on stone walls will stop many attacks, unless you let a siege army build many engines against you (always lure them in close while they build, and you can whittle them down engagement by engagement.)

I don't automanage any cities.

Scriptorum gives your family members admin skills, so those otherwise unskilled people can serve some purpose.

Wonders have different benefits, but they aren't temporary (unless you lose the city...).

Sometimes cities just don't like being part of the empire.
I try to grow all cities, but if a large, slow-growing city is full of malcontents, I'll pull my forces out of it and let it revolt. I rarely resort to this once the stone walls are built. They can sting when you're stuck on the other side.

I've also killed a few leaders of my clan, at the request of the Senate, in order to build a larger army to defend myself. (I tend to leave small forces in the inner empire)
 
i just wish you could level an entire city and exterminte entire populous and then abandon it all in the same turn....
 
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: effee
Just make sure you're strong enough military to take on Rome. I marched on Rome when I wasnt strong enough but it was late in the game. Lost alot of cities to the families
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Take them early before they can fully upgrade.

Also, if you mill around outside their city with a large army and wait to get atacked by them or one of the other families, they'll be drawn out as backup and you can annihilate them in the open field and take the city with only a few hundred defenders. 🙂 Found that out by accident.
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this is the secret to taking rome, i lured out the entire senate army to face two full armies, with their forces split in two I managed to wipe them entirely out
 
Once you have enough trade and a large military, kill all new cities and rebellions. This means lesser army required to control and more "quick money" which is of imporatance in the end game 😛
 
thanks for the posts guys...
Still wondering about the Wonders though. The effects like reduced costs for religious buildings, etc, are there, but th initial empire wide puyblic order bonus is not after several turns.
Is there a definative guide for stuff like this? Bit odd its not in my manual...
 
Anyone use the Rome: Total Realism patch for the game? How is it? Is it buggy? Was thinking about trying it, but have many games saved at this point, and only recently learned of this patch.
 
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