Pliablemoose
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If the rule of law determines that he be set free so be it. I actually have no problem with it. However, let's get his sorry ass over here first & put him in front of a judge.
If the rule of law determines that he be set free so be it. I actually have no problem with it. However, let's get his sorry ass over here first & put him in front of a judge.
kylebisme
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LunarRay
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Perhaps that the girl settled a for an undisclosed amount of money in '90, I think it was, on her civil suit against him...
Then she began her support for the dropping of the charges...
So, in my thinking her voice is tainted in this case.
More important, however, might be the girls mother who seems to have enabled the situation to occur. There are some issues that need disclosing under oath, I think.. To be fair to Polanski... All we really know is what has been put forth. The DA must have had some concern given he elected to allow a 'illegal intercourse' plea when there was far more he could have charged him with.. We don't know the full story but we do know enough I think to demand he sort this out.
LunarRay
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Right.. the absence of self hate does that to you... I love me and my thinking. But I feel no different about you... I'll accept you can differ AND be right, differ and be wrong, and, believe it or not... differ and the difference can't be determined because it don't lend itself to anything more than opinon which can not affect to any extent the content of the discourse.
One of the lawyers in that Polanski documentary from a couple of years ago now says that he lied:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/01/us/01wells.html
Interesting. The case of the legally ignorant is quickly falling apart. Those who support a caste system are having the tides turn against them.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/01/us/01wells.html
Interesting. The case of the legally ignorant is quickly falling apart. Those who support a caste system are having the tides turn against them.
dahunan
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- Jan 10, 2002
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Did he buttfuck a 13yr old who kept telling him NO!... and even if she didn't, do you believe the 13 year old was easily mistaken as a female aged 18 or older by the 40? year old man
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/n...cies-little-girls-too/
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I wasn't even aware of Wells or his role, and nothing I've written in this thread has been based on his supposed role. So stop hallucinating.
The central issue is the judge's actions, which bordered on the psychotic. And for a description of those actions, as well as to get a sense of how things transpired, I find the information supplied by Geimer's attorney to be compelling and damning.
The clock is ticking and France and Poland have back down on their support of this child rapist. The US has notified the Swiss that they do want him extradited to the US.
LunarRay
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The "In Chamber" insanity is almost comical if it were not for it being a real live judicial event.
The judge saying he was releasing the girls name, The judge indicating he wanted Polanski out of the country with out having that authority, Saying he'd sentence him to 50 yrs on the charge, being happy Polanski fled because that was his desire anyhow, Getting the guilty plea and doing a 180 degree... nutty stuff there.
Ah.. well... Silver (Larry Silver, the girls attorney) said it was a misdemeanor plea... so it may have been...but I'm not so sure 50 yrs is applicable to that level of crime. The prosecutor indicated 16 months to 3 yrs was typical in this kind of case... Polanski did settle the civil matter so there is some remorse there...
I'm starting to move a bit toward wanting the appellate court to order the court below to sentence in absentia to the terms of the Plea agreement. I don't think they can order dismissal because the evidence that a crime was committed and the plea of guilty to that crime exist. There is no misconduct in reaching the plea... ah well..
Looking at the code I think a total of five felony and two misdemeanor counts could have been lodged against Polanski.. maybe one other too. He got off pretty easy in any event. Given his net worth is 40 to 50 million now it could have been ten times that much had he been able to work more freely. At the time he was quite wealthy and probably gave up Five million total in the settlement... against a judgment that may have hit him for a lot more... Lucky guy that...
kylebisme
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- Mar 25, 2000
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Rather, exhaustive projection of self hate is doing this to you.
Yes, self-aggrandizement, I noticed.
The difference most certainly can be determined, because it lends itself to the distinction between who actually took the time to research the facts of the matter and those who never bothered to even try, as explained here.
kylebisme
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Does age even matter if you drug someone to have sex? I think people are focusing on the wrong things.
kylebisme
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I get the impression you are focusing on some things to take them out of context.
If not, tell me; why do you figure he didn't he slip her a full pill or more into a drink without her knowing? From what I understand, that how is how drug assisted date rape is done.
If not, tell me; why do you figure he didn't he slip her a full pill or more into a drink without her knowing? From what I understand, that how is how drug assisted date rape is done.
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Actually, I think the biggest problem for Polanski is the flight charge. Even if he could get the original charge dismissed (arguing that the guilty pleas was based on a very specific plea-bargain, and a fair trial based on a retracted guilty plea isn't possible anymore), he still faces the separate felony charge of fleeing sentencing while free on bond. Even assuming the misconduct of the judge and the threat of a 50-year sentence are considered mitigating by a (new) sentencing judge, it's hard to believe he wouldn't get a sentence of least a year or two.
No "mixed feelings" here. He drugged and raped a 13-year old girl.
Bullets are cheap and efficient.
kill him.
Bullets are cheap and efficient.
kill him.
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The same question could be posed about defendants charged by current-day oppressive regimes, such as the two reporters who were "convicted" in Iran. And most of us would say flight is justified in such cases. So the "principle" here is: There's no ethical requirement to abide by the oppressive rules of a criminal state.
However, the late-1970's U.S. legal system isn't covered by that principle. A defendant facing an outrageous situation in a major U.S. city SHOULD have the expectation that due process will prevail, and any wrongs will be righted. Under those circumstances, Polanski's flight is impossible to defend.
In Polanski's case, his lawyers should have moved to retract the guilty plea and to go to trial on the full panoply of charges. (I don't know if any of the pleadings and motions were public at that point; certainly, the grand jury testimony wasn't; so the chance of a fair trial at THAT point was probably pretty good). It's very, very likely that that motion would have been granted (even if the judge were worried about his image, he could hardly think that granting a full trial would be denounced by the public).
Edit: But here's an interesting twist, not relevant to Polanski:
Suppose a truly innocent person is found guilty by a legitimate first-world legal system, and the person knows that there is no chance of vindicating himself (maybe it was a case of mistaken identity, and the jury was convinced). And the sentence faced by the person is substantial. Does that person have a "duty" to abide by the verdict and serve his time (or, say, accept the death penalty). OR, is it ethical for such a person to flee?
kylebisme
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You are confusing beliefs with circumstances. The claim that he should have had the expectation that due process will prevail is only a belief, and one which stands in flagrant contradiction to the circumstances he faced.
You arguing under the diullsion that he had more than one lawyer.
That would have done nothing to get him out from under the authority of the pathological egomaniac of a judge who was set on lynching him.
Of course it is ethical, at least to anyone who is not so naive to believe justice is equivalent to law.
Any adult who molests a child, even just once, should be put to death. Period.
That's my personal standard.
For what offense or reason? Having a different opinion than yours?
:roll:
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