ROLLING STONE: It's Already Stolen

[CPA]

Originally posted by: dphantom
Well, I can hear it now. If by some miracle McCain wins, our friendly leftists will claim it is because he "stole" the election or most Americans are bigots and racists.

yep, this is nothing but a setup thread for that very reason.

 

[heyheybooboo]

"The claim of widespread voter fraud is itself a fraud."

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Butterbean

Lenin told his agitprop operatives "accuse others of what you do". The media and BO campiagn have been exposed by the naked fraud and thugery from the Stalinist left and now they are trying to spin it so they are the victims. This is a third world election.

Didn't your mother ever warn you about huffing paint thinner and glue? :roll:

There's no point in even responding to him. If it's something bad about the Republicans, it must be a lie. If it's something bad about the Democrats, it must be true.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
"The claim of widespread voter fraud is itself a fraud."

The claim of claiming that widespread voter fraud itself being a fraud is itself a fraud.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: udneekgnim

Originally posted by: OrByte"spoiled" because blank spaces, stray marks or tears made them indecipherable to voting machines. The losses hit hardest among minorities in low-income precincts, who are often forced to vote on antiquated machines. The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, in its investigation of the 2000 returns from Florida, found that African-Americans were nearly 10 times more likely than whites to have their ballots rejected, a ratio that holds nationwide.

can't fill out a ballot properly

don't deserve to vote

You simply Fail. Voter suppression tactics by the Republican party is a crime.

The findings of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights on the 2000 election in Florida:

- black voters were nearly 10 times more likely than nonblack voters to have their ballots rejected.

- approximately 14.4 percent of Florida?s black voters cast ballots that were rejected. This compares with approximately 1.6 percent of nonblack Florida voters who did not have their presidential votes counted.

- 11 percent of Florida voters were African American; however, African Americans cast about 54 percent of the 180,000 spoiled ballots in Florida during the November 2000 election

- 83 of the 100 precincts with the highest numbers of spoiled ballots were black-majority precincts.

Officials anticipated before Election Day, that there would be an increase in levels of voter turnout based upon new voter registration figures, but did not ensure that the precincts in all communities received adequate resources to meet their needs. Many African Americans did not cast ballots because they were assigned to polling sites that did not have adequate resources to confirm voting eligibility status. College students and others submitted voter registration applications on a timely basis to persons and agencies responsible for transmitting the applications to the proper officials, but in many instances these applications were not processed in a timely or proper manner. Polling places were closed early and some polling places were moved without notice. Jewish and elderly voters received defective and complicated ballots that produced ?overvotes? and ?undervotes?.

Not in my America. Not anymore.

How can they determine who's ballot was black vs white. The ballots are not color coded.

Unless the voters were 100% of one race, the numbers indicate that the vote was not made in secret or someone wrote down every persons vote and race. That in itself smacks of racism.

It sounds like someone is fudging the issue of a ballot being rejected vs the supposed voter not being able to vote.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Butterbean

Originally posted by: ericlp
While Obama dreams of riding to the White House on a wave of new voters, more then 2.7 million have had their registrations REJECTED under new procedures signed into law by George Bush.

Looking at ACORN et al it looks like they still missed a few million. McCain and the Republicans can hardly even run a campaign but they have masterminded a massive voter fraud? Obama and Dem thugs are turning the plumbers live inside out while "truth sqauds" operate and Republican donors are threatened and the ReeferStoned magazine is worried about "elite commandos" from GOP? This is a facrce only juveniles could be prey to.

Lenin told his agitprop operatives "accuse others of what you do". The media and BO campiagn have been exposed by the naked fraud and thugery from the Stalinist left and now they are trying to spin it so they are the victims. This is a third world election.

Have you ever been to a 3rd world county you stupid FiretrUCK?

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

How can they determine who's ballot was black vs white. The ballots are not color coded.

Unless the voters were 100% of one race, the numbers indicate that the vote was not made in secret or someone wrote down every persons vote and race. That in itself smacks of racism.

It sounds like someone is fudging the issue of a ballot being rejected vs the supposed voter not being able to vote.

Can't they count the percentage of votes thrown out in a given county and then determine what the demographics of that county are? Seems pretty straight forward to me.

 

[L00PY]

Originally posted by: misle
How were these statistics determined?

Aren't the ballots secret? How did they know that ballots filled out by black/white/hispanic?

Just curious.

If you're really curious, you can go to the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights' site and read their report. From the executive summary, "the Commission held three days of hearings in Miami and Tallahassee and, using its subpoena powers, collected more than 30 hours of testimony from more than 100 witnesses... and reviewed more than 118,000 pages of pertinent documents... It subpoenaed a cross section of witnesses, including Florida Governor Jeb Bush, Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris, members of Governor Bush?s Select Task Force on Election Procedures, Standards and Technology, and Florida?s attorney general. The Commission staff?s research also led it to subpoena the state official responsible for oversight of motor voter registration, the general counsel for Florida?s Elections Commission, the director of the Division of Elections (part of the secretary of state?s office), the director of Florida?s Highway Patrol, and numerous local elections officials, county supervisors, poll workers, and local sheriffs. Additionally, the Commission subpoenaed a number of witnesses who had problems or who had first-hand knowledge of problems during the election, especially those on Election Day."

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Butterbean

Originally posted by: ericlp
While Obama dreams of riding to the White House on a wave of new voters, more then 2.7 million have had their registrations REJECTED under new procedures signed into law by George Bush.

Looking at ACORN et al it looks like they still missed a few million. McCain and the Republicans can hardly even run a campaign but they have masterminded a massive voter fraud? Obama and Dem thugs are turning the plumbers live inside out while "truth sqauds" operate and Republican donors are threatened and the ReeferStoned magazine is worried about "elite commandos" from GOP? This is a facrce only juveniles could be prey to.

Lenin told his agitprop operatives "accuse others of what you do". The media and BO campiagn have been exposed by the naked fraud and thugery from the Stalinist left and now they are trying to spin it so they are the victims. This is a third world election.

Have you ever been to a 3rd world county you stupid FiretrUCK?

Everyone knows who BB is. It's perfectly okay to simply call him a stupid fuck.

Yet, the sheer creativity and mental gymnastics that he undertakes to spew out the amazing crap that he does is still highly interesting. Bigotry, ignorance, and stubbornness to that level are astonishing. His brain just doesn't seem to be wired up quite like anyone else.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: Butterbean
Lenin told his agitprop operatives "accuse others of what you do". The media and BO campiagn have been exposed by the naked fraud and thugery from the Stalinist left and now they are trying to spin it so they are the victims. This is a third world election.

This explains the Republican preemptive strike against ACORN; they learned the Lenin lesson!

 

[SigArms08]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The penalty for vote tampering should be public hanging.

Agreed. Lets be sure to include Acorn in on this, too.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: SigArms08]

Agreed. Lets be sure to include Acorn in on this, too.

Sure... Just as soon as you can show us what ACORN did wrong. Or didn't you get the part of the story that it wasa ACORN that reported the questionable registrations to the authorities? :roll:

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1

Can't they count the percentage of votes thrown out in a given county and then determine what the demographics of that county are? Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Of course not. That'd be too logical.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: dphantom
Well, I can hear it now. If by some miracle McCain wins, our friendly leftists will claim it is because he "stole" the election or most Americans are bigots and racists.

yep, this is nothing but a setup thread for that very reason.

QFT

 

[alphatarget1]

I don't understand. I'm a naturalized citizen, registered to vote early, didn't have my registration rejected, called in to make sure they're sending me an absentee ballot and voted. If they had rejected my registration I would have no problem providing documentations so I'll get registered.

Off topic:
Getting a bunch of people who weren't otherwise interested in the political process to vote just to have your guy win is not what I'd call a healthy democracy. Voters are supposed to educate themselves, not to be convinced by a bunch of bots who want you to vote for their guy on the same day of registration.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

How can they determine who's ballot was black vs white. The ballots are not color coded.

Unless the voters were 100% of one race, the numbers indicate that the vote was not made in secret or someone wrote down every persons vote and race. That in itself smacks of racism.

It sounds like someone is fudging the issue of a ballot being rejected vs the supposed voter not being able to vote.

Can't they count the percentage of votes thrown out in a given county and then determine what the demographics of that county are? Seems pretty straight forward to me.

:thumbsup:

They can even get closer than that because the precincts are tabulated seperately.

 

[CptObvious]

I'm registered to vote in a county in the heavily contested central Florida area. I voted by absentee ballot, but when I went back to the website of the supervisor of elections, it said that I must present my photo ID in person before the polls close on Election Day because I'm a) a first time voter in this county and b) voting by absentee ballot. I called the supervisor's office to figure out what this meant. After all, it sort of defeats the purpose of an absentee ballot if you have to appear in person anyway. The lady didn't even know what I was talking about. She said something to the effect of 'Well, we have your ballot so we'll see." ??

I honestly can't tell if there's any accountability in this state.

 

[miketheidiot]

elections in the country are a joke. Not necessarily fraudulent, bet the incredible lack of accountability is mind boggling.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

How can they determine who's ballot was black vs white. The ballots are not color coded.

Unless the voters were 100% of one race, the numbers indicate that the vote was not made in secret or someone wrote down every persons vote and race. That in itself smacks of racism.

It sounds like someone is fudging the issue of a ballot being rejected vs the supposed voter not being able to vote.

Can't they count the percentage of votes thrown out in a given county and then determine what the demographics of that county are? Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Only about 30% of blacks in Detroit vote (historically)... your method would skew the numbers.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: udneekgnim

Originally posted by: OrByte"spoiled" because blank spaces, stray marks or tears made them indecipherable to voting machines. The losses hit hardest among minorities in low-income precincts, who are often forced to vote on antiquated machines. The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, in its investigation of the 2000 returns from Florida, found that African-Americans were nearly 10 times more likely than whites to have their ballots rejected, a ratio that holds nationwide.

can't fill out a ballot properly

don't deserve to vote

You simply Fail. Voter suppression tactics by the Republican party is a crime.

The findings of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights on the 2000 election in Florida:

- black voters were nearly 10 times more likely than nonblack voters to have their ballots rejected.

- approximately 14.4 percent of Florida?s black voters cast ballots that were rejected. This compares with approximately 1.6 percent of nonblack Florida voters who did not have their presidential votes counted.

- 11 percent of Florida voters were African American; however, African Americans cast about 54 percent of the 180,000 spoiled ballots in Florida during the November 2000 election

- 83 of the 100 precincts with the highest numbers of spoiled ballots were black-majority precincts.

Officials anticipated before Election Day, that there would be an increase in levels of voter turnout based upon new voter registration figures, but did not ensure that the precincts in all communities received adequate resources to meet their needs. Many African Americans did not cast ballots because they were assigned to polling sites that did not have adequate resources to confirm voting eligibility status. College students and others submitted voter registration applications on a timely basis to persons and agencies responsible for transmitting the applications to the proper officials, but in many instances these applications were not processed in a timely or proper manner. Polling places were closed early and some polling places were moved without notice. Jewish and elderly voters received defective and complicated ballots that produced ?overvotes? and ?undervotes?.

Not in my America. Not anymore.

Do the ballots list race of the caster?

Edit ...and I see it's been asked a few times already

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Do the ballots list race of the caster?

Edit ...and I see it's been asked a few times already

As was the fact that precinct demographics provide accurate statistical information. While one cannot tell if any specific black person's vote was counted, it does tell us the overall percentage of black votes not counted. It was enough to change the POTUS results in Florida.

The fact remains that Republicans have successfully used various voter suppression tactics to affect election results. This has been extensively documented, and has not been factually refuted. No doubt Democrats have engaged in similar activities as well, though I've seen nothing factual to show it has been anywhere near as extensive ... or successful.

 

[Skitzer]

Year long investigation by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Greg Palast ............... I'm throwing the Bullshit flag on this one. If a couple of non biased individuals would have conducted this investigation, (if there was one at all), I would give it more credibility ........ as it is, I smell a rat.
Nice try at an Acorn deflection, (which is all this is).

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Skitzer
Year long investigation by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Greg Palast ............... I'm throwing the Bullshit flag on this one. If a couple of non biased individuals would have conducted this investigation, (if there was one at all), I would give it more credibility ........ as it is, I smell a rat.
Nice try at an Acorn deflection, (which is all this is).

Why don't you Google, ""voter suppression"" ??

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Skitzer
Year long investigation by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Greg Palast ............... I'm throwing the Bullshit flag on this one. If a couple of non biased individuals would have conducted this investigation, (if there was one at all), I would give it more credibility ........ as it is, I smell a rat.
Nice try at an Acorn deflection, (which is all this is).

You don't have a lot of credibility to lend, so I doubt they'll be shedding any tears.

If you even understood the Acorn issue you wouldn't have posted that, but since you're not a much of a reader, it really doesn't matter what you think about this.

 

[Skitzer]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: Skitzer
Year long investigation by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Greg Palast ............... I'm throwing the Bullshit flag on this one. If a couple of non biased individuals would have conducted this investigation, (if there was one at all), I would give it more credibility ........ as it is, I smell a rat.
Nice try at an Acorn deflection, (which is all this is).

Why don't you Google, ""voter suppression"" ??

Yeah, Ok, I found this:

When it comes to vote suppression, neither party is completely to blame. We Democrats like to think our party keeps its nose clean, but I have worked on a campaign that actively sought to challenge the absentee ballots of senior citizens who were in New Hampshire on election day. And I know Democratic operatives who have intimidated volunteers for a Republican candidate in an attempt to stifle his get out the vote operation.
Nicholas Brown.