Roger Stone is Trump stupid.

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Hayabusa Rider

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Anyone stupid enough to have a Nixon tattoo and be Trump’s friend deserves what he gets. Trump will pardon him anyhow.
Not at this time. In his hearing Barr said that pardoning a potential witness would absolutely be an act of obstruction, even Trump.
 

Jhhnn

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It's not just about the pic. Stone's post w/o it violates Judge Jackson's gag order & the conditions of Stone's bail. In Stone's place, I'd try to tidy up my affairs between now & Thursday afternoon. Or just party hearty because it might be the last chance for awhile...
 

Thump553

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So guess who has been ordered to court...

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Perfect response by the court. It is directly on point and gives the judge a very broad range of hammer sizes to drop on Stone on Thursday, from a severe tongue lashing to locking him up.
 

hal2kilo

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Perfect response by the court. It is directly on point and gives the judge a very broad range of hammer sizes to drop on Stone on Thursday, from a severe tongue lashing to locking him up.
He seems to have sensed that his bail was ten seconds away from being revoked and has filed an apology.

Hope he stays in jail until the trial for this. He is proudly showing that he has no respect for the law or the judge. I would call it a really stupid move.
 
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Jhhnn

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Perfect response by the court. It is directly on point and gives the judge a very broad range of hammer sizes to drop on Stone on Thursday, from a severe tongue lashing to locking him up.

I seriously doubt that Judge Jackson is inclined to take any shit from Roger Stone. He willfully violated her gag order within days of her issuing it.

Judge Amy Berman Jackson ordered that lawyers and others in the case must not talk about it publicly in ways that "pose a substantial likelihood of material prejudice" and specifically they must not use the area outside court in Washington, D.C., as a venue for those kinds of statements.

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/15/695267327/federal-judge-imposes-gag-order-in-roger-stone-case

If she just throws him in jail pending the outcome of his trial there won't be any more of it, that's for sure. And the Rightwing-o-sphere will be ablaze about poor Roger Stone, so persecuted by the wicked Obama judge, the Deep State, Man, and the enemy of the people that is the Media.

It's sad & funny at the same time that anybody is buying it.
 
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hal2kilo

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I seriously doubt that Judge Jackson is inclined to take any shit from Roger Stone. He willfully violated her gag order within days of her issuing it.



https://www.npr.org/2019/02/15/695267327/federal-judge-imposes-gag-order-in-roger-stone-case

If she just throws him in jail pending the outcome of his trial there won't be any more of it, that's for sure. And the Rightwing-o-sphere will be ablaze about poor Roger Stone, so persecuted by the wicked Obama judge, the Deep State, Man, and the enemy of the people that is the Media.

It's sad & funny at the same time that anybody is buying it.
They will be quite satisfying conservatears.
 

Moonbeam

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Roberts is the new Kennedy in a way, could happen. We only need one judge on the right to value precedent more than partisan agenda, and he's done it twice, three times now? It's a little comforting, but as I don't trust religious republicans in positions of authority for the most part I still have plenty of worries.

Fully support the Dems in addressing what turtle and republicans have done to our Supreme Court. Get rid of Boof Kavanaugh, add 2 more seats, whatever, do it. We have to stop this country regressing.
I don't see your fears as having any validity. The whole morally advanced notion of Western Civilization built around the Dignity and intrinsic value of the individual, is a notion that has it's origins deep in religious tradition. The whole idea of human evolution and moral advancement is based on the the Hermetic Principle of as above so below, on earth as it is in heaven, that we were created in God's image and that the purpose of life is to find that God within. I think what you fear is that with most people there religion is there as a shield and conformist pretense behind which they hide hid a will to ego rather than ego death. It is the ego that stands between man and god realization. The ego turns every path to freedom of self into a path to slavery and that includes religion.
 

MooseNSquirrel

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I don't see your fears as having any validity. The whole morally advanced notion of Western Civilization built around the Dignity and intrinsic value of the individual, is a notion that has it's origins deep in religious tradition. The whole idea of human evolution and moral advancement is based on the the Hermetic Principle of as above so below, on earth as it is in heaven, that we were created in God's image and that the purpose of life is to find that God within. I think what you fear is that with most people there religion is there as a shield and conformist pretense behind which they hide hid a will to ego rather than ego death. It is the ego that stands between man and god realization. The ego turns every path to freedom of self into a path to slavery and that includes religion.

Well except for those folks who didn't believe, didn't know about, or followed a different set of beliefs than "God". Also, morality is likely a by-product of evolution.

100% agreement on the second ego statement :)
 

Moonbeam

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Well except for those folks who didn't believe, didn't know about, or followed a different set of beliefs than "God". Also, morality is likely a by-product of evolution.

100% agreement on the second ego statement :)
Except that I don't differentiate the evolution of morality with the inevitability that morality will evolve because it is a requirement for the evolution of consciousness. Survival is not possible for a species absent ethical behavior. We can only survive because of out capacity for empathy. Empathy is the joy of life universally expressed. It is love and we project that love as God because we were created that way, in His image. As within so without. As without, so within.

This was expresses well, I think,. by the Christian Mystic, Miester Eckhart.
“The eye through which I see God is the same eye through which God sees me; my eye and God's eye are one eye, one seeing, one knowing, one love.”
 

kage69

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I don't see your fears as having any validity. The whole morally advanced notion of Western Civilization built around the Dignity and intrinsic value of the individual, is a notion that has it's origins deep in religious tradition. The whole idea of human evolution and moral advancement is based on the the Hermetic Principle of as above so below, on earth as it is in heaven, that we were created in God's image and that the purpose of life is to find that God within. I think what you fear is that with most people there religion is there as a shield and conformist pretense behind which they hide hid a will to ego rather than ego death. It is the ego that stands between man and god realization. The ego turns every path to freedom of self into a path to slavery and that includes religion.

Your lack of validation is noted moon, shucks. Don't know if you've noticed or not, but concepts like dignity and morals don't concern the religilous republicans much lately.

While I certainly appreciate you expending that amount of esoteric thinking on lil ol me, there's no need to hypothesize. What I fear is a continuation of what has already been happening, to the detriment of women's rights. I have no problem with my neighbor carrying the crutch of their choosing, however they choose to, whenever they choose to. I don't hate crutches, hell I recommend their study. Where we have a problem is when my neighbor expects me to carry their crutch, to have my family carry crutches, to allow adherents of The Crutch to pass laws that can dictate how we live our lives.

Perhaps you saw Boof Kavanaugh's vigorous dissent on the Louisiana ruling the other week? Removing a woman's right to choice would be a regression of liberty in this country, and is an entirely possible outcome given what republicans have become. The religious right provides unblinking support for Trump, no matter how dishonest, corrupt or uncouth he is, provided he gives them everything they want.
 
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Jhhnn

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Your lack of validation is noted moon, shucks. Don't know if you've noticed or not, but concepts like dignity and morals don't concern the religilous republicans much lately.

While I certainly appreciate you expending that amount of esoteric thinking on lil ol me, there's no need to hypothesize. What I fear is a continuation of what has already been happening, to the detriment of women's rights. I have no problem with my neighbor carrying the crutch of their choosing, however they choose to, whenever they choose to. I don't hate crutches, hell I recommend their study. Where we have a problem is when my neighbor expects me to carry their crutch, to have my family carry crutches, to allow adherents of The Crutch to pass laws that can dictate how we live our lives.

Perhaps you saw Boof Kavanaugh's vigorous dissent on the Louisiana ruling the other week? Removing a woman's right to choice would be a regression of liberty in this country, and is an entirely possible outcome given what republicans have become. The religious right provides unblinking support for Trump, no matter how dishonest, corrupt or uncouth he is, provided he gives them everything they want.

Deals with the Devil never work out well for anybody but the Devil. Everybody knows this, but the Evangelicals made that Deal with Trump knowing full well that he is utterly immoral. Their great moral crusade against abortion clouds their judgement entirely.
 

BUTCH1

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Hope he stays in jail until the trial for this. He is proudly showing that he has no respect for the law or the judge. I would call it a really stupid move.
Yea, when I saw that "minuite" she wrote today I knew Stone's ass is grass. His lawyers attempt at an "apology" as in filing a formal paper to the court is not going to help. LOCK HIM UP!!!.
 

kage69

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Deals with the Devil never work out well for anybody but the Devil. Everybody knows this, but the Evangelicals made that Deal with Trump knowing full well that he is utterly immoral. Their great moral crusade against abortion clouds their judgement entirely.


Absolutely. Makes them shitty Americans to boot. 'Freedom of religion so long as it's the right religion' types usually have the nerve to act patriotic and noble about it too, which I've always found hilarious.
 

Moonbeam

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Your lack of validation is noted moon, shucks. Don't know if you've noticed or not, but concepts like dignity and morals don't concern the religilous republicans much lately.

While I certainly appreciate you expending that amount of esoteric thinking on lil ol me, there's no need to hypothesize. What I fear is a continuation of what has already been happening, to the detriment of women's rights. I have no problem with my neighbor carrying the crutch of their choosing, however they choose to, whenever they choose to. I don't hate crutches, hell I recommend their study. Where we have a problem is when my neighbor expects me to carry their crutch, to have my family carry crutches, to allow adherents of The Crutch to pass laws that can dictate how we live our lives.

Perhaps you saw Boof Kavanaugh's vigorous dissent on the Louisiana ruling the other week? Removing a woman's right to choice would be a regression of liberty in this country, and is an entirely possible outcome given what republicans have become. The religious right provides unblinking support for Trump, no matter how dishonest, corrupt or uncouth he is, provided he gives them everything they want.
If you believe in the idea of truth you could look at it this way. You don't blame truth for the fact that people get it wrong. You blame the problem on the fact that they have gotten the truth wrong. Remember that truth isn't a bunch of words or ideas, it is a way of seeing, a God conscious state. Just because people think it's something else doesn't mean it is. There is a conscious state that equals the experience of knowing and you either know it or you don't.

A finger pointing at the mood is not the moon and if there are clouds in the sky you don't blame the clouds for obstructing your view. The view is just obstructed. Christianity has had two thousand years to gather many clouds, but a person of great psychological need and sincerity can still feel a moon in there somewhere. Hope you do too. And don't give me the little old me routine. Every young dog will see the god within you and love you unconditionally.
 

Puffnstuff

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This sounds like the script of a new tv reality show: Lifestyles of the rich and stupid?
 

TeeJay1952

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At various time in my life I have had to watch young folks learn that Court is different than a bull session at the Dorm. Sort of like Judge Judy without the entertainment aspect.
 

TeeJay1952

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It means that the foolish notions of youth have not given away to Adult observations of how the world works.