Roe vs Wade to be overturned?

[Moonbeam]

Random chance? So you don't have to DO anything or make any DECISION that leads to getting pregnant? Somebody can just randomly become pregnant?

I didn't know that, MB. Thanks for informing us about how procreation works.
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OMG, I had no idea you were so ignorant. I was referring to the fact that we reproduce sexually as an accident of evolution and that we have two sexes instead of three or more for the same reason. Purely an accident. Naturally you probably don't know that either.
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If biology isn't fair, then we shouldn't be fair to criminals either. Give them all the death penalty.
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Ah, genius level logic. Who can answer that?
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If Women are the only one it concerns, then it is no concern to the WORLD if the US starts putting all our criminals to death. You probably don't understand it, because you don't want to understand it. I don't buy the theory that it is the woman's choice only. Right... then the man gets to pay alimony and other crap. Totally fair. Either make it fair or put a moratorium on it like Alistar said.
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That's what I say. Make it so the man carries the fetus 50% of the time so things are fair. He or she who carries gets to choose. It's not fair that it's always the woman who gets pregnant. Men need to demand that right too. Come on guys, stick up for something besides your right to have sex. Be mommies too.

It's not fair, it's not fair. Snot nosed whiners. How dare women have the final say. I'm so so sssooooooooooooooooo insecure about my balls. Women must never have a say over me. RIIIIIIIIIGHT! They always have and always will. There's a big difference between being a man and a dick head. Figure it out.

 

[burnedout]

Another update:

Here is a link from the Washington Post also alluding to it.

During spring semester, one of my professors introduced this into a discussion. For those interested, if you have JSTOR access, you can probably check it out in the National Bureau of Economic Research Quarterly.

"NBER Working Paper No. w9532
Issued in March 2003"

Rather intriguing read............if you have an open mind.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Why aren't we spending billions on research and legislation that would establish the technology to transfer unwanted fetuses to pro lifers of both sexes drafted on a random basis to carry them to term? Everybody wins.

Well... I understand the astronauts brought back some moon rocks... will they work for you?

What would happen if they joined a moon rock and a martian rock? Wouldn't be igneous though... hmmm.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Until men carry the fetus for an equal time with women, men's say in the viability of a fertilized egg rests solely with the woman. A fetus is just an inevitable consequence of genetics, pure random chance, just like a tumor caused by a virus. Nobody says you can't remove a tumor. The difference is purely in the mind. Where do hydrocarbons get off claiming special privileges. We're just a bunch of molecules having a dream we are alive. We are all such clowns.

Random chance? So you don't have to DO anything or make any DECISION that leads to getting pregnant? Somebody can just randomly become pregnant?

I didn't know that, MB. Thanks for informing us about how procreation works.

Well... Moonbeam started hurling tufts of sperm at randum.. but, randum ducked and they fertilized the queen... poop cried the king and thousands dropped their pants resulting in all the planetary moons orbiting at randum. Probably the asteroid belt is nothing buy aborted moons.

 

[dahunan]

At what age can the father execute the child because he decided he no longer wants it?

 

[LunarRay]

I don't see the age of the father as being relevant to the issue. The woman is the one with the choice... her body regarding the 'it'.

 

[dahunan]

Well, if the mother has the right to execute the baby ... shouldn't the father have the same right too?

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Well, if the mother has the right to execute the baby ... shouldn't the father have the same right too?

The baby ain't a baby till it be birthed. Until that time it is either viable or unviable. If viable it is an entity.. an individual with all the rights attendant to it. Before viability it is apart of the woman. The woman alone has rule over her body. If she chooses to have a tubal ligation or have implants or remove a tumor or a hair cut... that is her choice alone. She will make the choice based on her belief system.... If you don't like this I suggest you insure you are not unequally yoked in a relationship and thus preclude the problem from occurring.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: hulk14
That is so ridiculous!

It is!

Especially when you consider what a master debater once said: Confucius say...Boy who go to sleep with stiff problem wake up with solution in hand.

 

[Moonbeam]

At what age can the father execute the child because he decided he no longer wants it?
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In case HJ, great wit is lost on you, a father can execute his child at any age. What court he will be tried in will depend on whether the court tries him as an adult or a minor.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Well, if the mother has the right to execute the baby ... shouldn't the father have the same right too?

Now the age of the parents is omitted... neither has the right to execute the baby... the mother has the right to terminate the growth attached to her until it becomes viable... an individual... an entity... whereupon it has rights as such.
If you assign babyness to a unviable fetus then going backward one would be able to argue that the murder of a person carries with it the killing of all the potential babies that person may have created... imagine all the unpeople that the act of murder eliminated..

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Well, if the mother has the right to execute the baby ... shouldn't the father have the same right too?

No because the Father only has to stand up for a few minutes while the mother has to carry the little bastard for 9 months

 

[Moonbeam]

God knows everything so he only puts souls in the ones that make it, right?

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
God knows everything so he only puts souls in the ones that make it, right?

He got that book up there with everyone's name in it so I'd say ... yup! Notwithstanding free will... he has no clock... eternal, alpha and omega and all.

Good Point... I'd not thought about it that way.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
God knows everything so he only puts souls in the ones that make it, right?

Good point for those who believe -- who can say with certainty exactly when God ensouls a lump of tissue? Is is when the baby is born, is it some time during pregnancy, or is every egg ensouled even if it is never fertilized.

Perhaps every sperm is sacred

If not, is it "murder" to stop the growth of a souless lump?

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: dahunan
At what age can the father execute the child because he decided he no longer wants it?

only after birth apparently.... ty though

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Perhaps every sperm is sacred

OMG, no!!!! You mean to tell me I've killed millions already?!?!? :Q

*queues Monty Python music*

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
God knows everything so he only puts souls in the ones that make it, right?

Good point for those who believe -- who can say with certainty exactly when God ensouls a lump of tissue? Is is when the baby is born, is it some time during pregnancy, or is every egg ensouled even if it is never fertilized.

Perhaps every sperm is sacred

If not, is it "murder" to stop the growth of a souless lump?

The question is when does this lump of tissue stop being a souless lump. Medical tech has really saved alot of very small premature babies. It is routine to save babys that are 3 and 4 months premature. It would be impossible to argue that these small babies are souless lumps of tissue.

roe v wade at the very least needs to be re-evaluated.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: dahunan
At what age can the father execute the child because he decided he no longer wants it?

only after birth apparently.... ty though

Partial birth abortion is legal, yet if a father were to kill a baby 1 second after birth he would be going to the chair.

Some of our laws are quite screwed up.

 

[Moonbeam]

Do any abortions occur a second before birth?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Do any abortions occur a second before birth?

That is a somewhat accurate description of a late term abortion.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Do any abortions occur a second before birth?

That is a somewhat accurate description of a late term abortion.

Abort after a fetus is viable? Is that legal?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Do any abortions occur a second before birth?

That is a somewhat accurate description of a late term abortion.

Abort after a fetus is viable? Is that legal?

Not any more

CkG

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Do any abortions occur a second before birth?

That is a somewhat accurate description of a late term abortion.

Abort after a fetus is viable? Is that legal?

Not any more

CkG

Thank goodness for that... I was looking in my Criminal Law book for a case on point and found none. I'd consider it murder to kill a viable fetus. That is my personal view. But, I'd support the lawful 'murder' if it was lawful.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Do any abortions occur a second before birth?

That is a somewhat accurate description of a late term abortion.

kinda like how genocide is like a somewhat accurate description of our war in iraq.