Roe vs Wade anniversary

[DominionSeraph]

Hey, by the Republican platform, if you can't show you've looked for work, you're not eligible for welfare. So you get kicked to the street.
Blame's on the fetus if it can't survive the process.

 

[UberNeuman]

Late Term Abortion.

 

[nehalem256]

Rights of the father? Keep it in his pants or pay it out his ass.

Scary how close these are.

Well, there you go. It's actually a war on female sexuality; if the woman spreads her legs and "does the crime", she must therefore "do the time" and either raise the child or give it up for adoption.

This is a war on perceived sexual morality, a war on empowerment of women.

So I guess mandatory child support is a war on male sexuality and a war on empowerment of men

 

[Victorian Gray]

I buy strawberries every chance I get.

Good for you, I guess.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Look up Margaret Sanger, the mother of Planned Parenthood. Turns out we may well be.

"The American eugenics movement received extensive funding from various corporate foundations including the Carnegie Institution, Rockefeller Foundation, and the Harriman railroad fortune.[6] In 1906 J.H. Kellogg provided funding to help found the Race Betterment Foundation in Battle Creek, Michigan.[8] The Eugenics Record Office (ERO) was founded in Cold Spring Harbor, New York in 1911 by the renowned biologist Charles B. Davenport, using money from both the Harriman railroad fortune and the Carnegie Institution. As late as the 1920s, the ERO was one of the leading organizations in the American eugenics movement.[8][10] In years to come, the ERO collected a mass of family pedigrees and concluded that those who were unfit came from economically and socially poor backgrounds. Eugenicists such as Davenport, the psychologist Henry H. Goddard, Harry H. Laughlin, and the conservationist Madison Grant (all well respected in their time) began to lobby for various solutions to the problem of the "unfit". Davenport favored immigration restriction and sterilization as primary methods; Goddard favored segregation in his The Kallikak Family; Grant favored all of the above and more, even entertaining the idea of extermination.[11] The Eugenics Record Office later became the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory.

By 1910, there was a large and dynamic network of scientists, reformers and professionals engaged in national eugenics projects and actively promoting eugenic legislation. The American Breeder’s Association was the first eugenic body in the U.S., established in 1906 under the direction of biologist Charles B. Davenport. The ABA was formed specifically to “investigate and report on heredity in the human race, and emphasize the value of superior blood and the menace to society of inferior blood.” Membership included Alexander Graham Bell, Stanford president David Starr Jordan and Luther Burbank.[14][15] The American Association for the Study and Prevention of Infant Mortality was one of the first organizations to begin investigating infant mortality rates in terms of eugenics.[16] They promoted government intervention in attempts to promote the health of future citizens."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States

 

[MrPickins]

Sounds exactly like the argument given for men being forced to pay child support for children that women CHOOSE to have.

EDIT: Except men don't even get the option of adoption

Don't worry, to have this problem, you'd have to actually find a woman willing to sleep with you.

^_^

 

[UberNeuman]

Don't worry, to have this problem, you'd have to actually find a woman willing to sleep with you.

^_^

He doesn't need a woman. He's got his toaster.

 

[Kadarin]

So I guess mandatory child support is a war on male sexuality and a war on empowerment of men

You are conflating two unrelated issues here; the issue of "mandatory child support" is totally separate from the issue of abortion.

 

[DominionSeraph]

He doesn't need a woman. He's got his toaster.

UL listed to keep you warm at night.

 

[ivwshane]

Wouldn't it be wonderful if all them wimmins were toasters? nehalem heaven.

Then he'd be able say he had sex with 1000 women (aka toasters)!

 

[Texashiker]

You are conflating two unrelated issues here; the issue of "mandatory child support" is totally separate from the issue of abortion.

I respectfully disagree, the two examples are related.

In both the person is being held responsible for their actions.

The woman can avoid responsibility through abortion. The man has few options.

 

[TheSiege]

After the baby is born, men arent automatically garnished of their wages, women have to fight to get child support if the man doesn't want to pay for the child. This is just one of the reasons why men and women do not share the burden of parentage equally. Not to mention have to foot the medical bills, yes they equally share the costs of the baby, but not the whole pregnancy.

 

[nehalem256]

After the baby is born, men arent automatically garnished of their wages, women have to fight to get child support if the man doesn't want to pay for the child. This is just one of the reasons why men and women do not share the burden of parentage equally. Not to mention have to foot the medical bills, yes they equally share the costs of the baby, but not the whole pregnancy.

So is it her body or not?

 

[Texashiker]

After the baby is born, men arent automatically garnished of their wages, women have to fight to get child support if the man doesn't want to pay for the child.

You do realize the states attorney general will provide free lawyers to obtain financial support for the child?

 

[DominionSeraph]

I respectfully disagree, the two examples are related.

In both the person is being held responsible for their actions.

The woman can avoid responsibility through abortion. The man has few options.

"Whites are so persecuted!"
"Men are so persecuted!"

Can we get the trifecta of conservatard self-absorption with:
"Christians are so persecuted!"

 

[TheSiege]

You do realize the states attorney general will provide free lawyers to obtain financial support for the child?

Not in all states, and thats not the point, the mother is responsible for that baby, because she has to physically be there to deliver. To get support she has to jump through hoops, and I am not sure if you are aware of our legal system, but fast acting is not how I would describe it.

 

[Vic]

I am pro-choice, and I strongly support the 2nd Amendment and firearm rights. And the death penalty.

Same here. :thumbup:

 

[Exophase]

In rebuttal, if a man deposits his sperm he is financially responsible for the child for the next 18+ years, plus health insurance cost, plus 1/2 of medical copays + whatever else the judge says.

When both people are held responsible how is it a war on one or the other?

I actually agree with this, although probably not in the way you intend. Men should be able to opt out of any legal responsibility or rights related to the unborn child that the mother refuses to terminate. But the window for eligibility should be no wider than the window in which the woman is allowed the abortion, or within a similar period of time after being informed the child is his.

But I admit this is a nuanced issue and there are still problems with this solution.

I didn't know consensual sex was "accidental".

It seems like it'd be fair to call a failure in birth control (this does happen!) an accident.

 

[Exophase]

My anti-abortion argument is that no person shall be devoid of life, liberty or property without due process of law.

How do we define life? By brain waves and heart beat.

So just so we're clear, you're fine with abortions if they're prior done prior to brain and heart activity? Just to be fair, let's say they can get measurements done to actual detect this instead of going on potentially unreliable sources for when these things can start.

 

[MagickMan]

I've never understood the controversy. Rowing is much more effective, it takes way too long to wade across.

 

[Vaux]

I am pro-choice, and I strongly support the 2nd Amendment and firearm rights. And the death penalty.

:thumbsup: Same here.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I propose the following:

A national recorded vote on whether or not abortion should be 100% legal. If the result of the vote is that more than 50% oppose abortion, then abortion should be made illegal and those people who voted against abortion should be made to pay a special "raise unwanted children" tax.

 

[nehalem256]

I propose the following:

A national recorded vote on whether or not abortion should be 100% legal. If the result of the vote is that more than 50% oppose abortion, then abortion should be made illegal and those people who voted against abortion should be made to pay a special "raise unwanted children" tax.

Can we also have a special "raise bastard children" tax?

 

[MagickMan]

I propose the following:

A national recorded vote on whether or not abortion should be 100% legal. If the result of the vote is that more than 50% oppose abortion, then abortion should be made illegal and those people who voted against abortion should be made to pay a special "raise unwanted children" tax.

Maybe people who fuck w/o protection should pay a "we're too stupid to use rubbers" tax?

 

[Texashiker]

So just so we're clear, you're fine with abortions if they're prior done prior to brain and heart activity? Just to be fair, let's say they can get measurements done to actual detect this instead of going on potentially unreliable sources for when these things can start.

If it is a clump of cells with no heart beat and no brain waves, then it is not alive.

I have no real objection to a woman removing an unwanted mass from her body.

and I am not sure if you are aware of our legal system, but fast acting is not how I would describe it.

Depends on the area. Someplace like Houston it might take you 6 months to get a court date. Smaller areas more like a month.

I have been to child support court several times. My last payment is in May of this year.

We are all responsible for our actions. There are all kinds of birth control options out there for women, use them.

Laziness should not be rewarded.