News Roe v. Wade overturned

[K1052]

Warren previews what could be an effective line of attack: If the Republicans are so "pro-life" why have they refused to help children and families.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1521856688260853763

 

[brycejones]

Warren previews what could be an effective line of attack: If the Republicans are so "pro-life" why have they refused to help children and families.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1521856688260853763

They don't care. Children who can't take care of themselves are immoral and unworthy of concern.

 

[K1052]

They don't care. Children who can't take care of themselves are immoral and unworthy of concern.

I'm quite aware Republicans don't care but they're not the ones who this messaging would be aimed at.

In fact it's going to be hard for Rick Scott not to blurt out that unwanted children can be sold into indenture or something.

 

[UNCjigga]

Always read Serwer. Few people in media are so clear eyed about the conservative legal movement and the court.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1521590162135949314

I mean, I only skimmed the draft opinion between 9 and 9:30pm on Monday and INSTANTLY saw what Alito was doing when I read that section. How anyone could miss this is beyond me.

Chipping away at these “unenumerated” rights rooted in privacy will be the goal of the Heritage Foundation and all of their bought and paid for judges over the next decade.

 

[dank69]

LOL Newsmax figured out the leak:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/newsmax-host-suggests-ketanji-brown-144935574.html

 

[eelw]

Lol let’s hope she sues him for defamation

 

[HomerJS]

LOL Newsmax figured out the leak:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/newsmax-host-suggests-ketanji-brown-144935574.html

This draft was created from arguments back in Jan-Feb before KBJ was on the court.

Kremlin style propaganda strikes again

 

[HomerJS]

Lol let’s hope she sues him for defamation

She should unless he publicly apologizes.

Right wingers get away with shit like this all the time.

 

[Brainonska511]

This draft was created from arguments back in Jan-Feb before KBJ was on the court.

Kremlin style propaganda strikes again

Yet people will keep flocking to these "news" sources that consistently misrepresent the truth or outright lie, like flies to shit.

 

[dank69]

This draft was created from arguments back in Jan-Feb before KBJ was on the court.

Kremlin style propaganda strikes again

I'd estimate that ~40M Americans now believe it to be true and will take that belief to their grave.

Also: KBJ is still not on the court.

 

[HomerJS]

Yet people will keep flocking to these "news" sources that consistently misrepresent the truth or outright lie, like flies to shit.

Blame it on the only black woman in the room even when she's not in the room

 

[dawp]

The fat old white talking heads at Fox have a solution, quit opening your legs girls, problem solved!

or as a conservative said years ago, can't remember who, put an aspirin between their knees and keep it there to prevent sex.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Remember, it'll never actually happen to the 45+ female voters, it'll happen to their kids/grandkids (who likely aren't voting yet). 'It doesn't affect me' is a primary principal of conservative ideology and lawmaking.

- TBF a lot of these ladies would be the ones dragging their "poor misguided daughter who was taken advantage of by a boy" to an abortion clinic "so it doesn't affect her chances of getting into an Ivy league" etc etc etc.

These folks are just as wrapped up in "my abortion is the only moral one" crap as the pro-lifers getting the abortions themselves.

 

[dawp]

Anarchist Collective Shares Instructions to Make DIY Abortion Pills

DIY medicine collectives are preparing for the horrifying prospect that Roe v. Wade will be overturned.

www.vice.com

I would expect to see more of these type of postings as this progresses

 

[vi edit]

This all just feeds into the bigger con of building up an electoral wall in red states.
Make them so miserable to live in for those with means to leave that they will. And then just suppress the fuck out of the poors and minorities that can't.
End result, electoral college layups for decades in national elections and senate races.

We won't have sanctuary cities, it will be sanctuary states and they'll be isolated and targeted indefinitely.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

- TBF a lot of these ladies would be the ones dragging their "poor misguided daughter who was taken advantage of by a boy" to an abortion clinic "so it doesn't affect her chances of getting into an Ivy league" etc etc etc.

These folks are just as wrapped up in "my abortion is the only moral one" crap as the pro-lifers getting the abortions themselves.

Yep, a lot of that ropes alllll the way back to the 'welfare queen' imagery of the Reagan era.

 

[eelw]

This all just feeds into the bigger con of building up an electoral wall in red states.
Make them so miserable to live in for those with means to leave that they will. And then just suppress the fuck out of the poors and minorities that can't.
End result, electoral college layups for decades in national elections and senate races.

We won't have sanctuary cities, it will be sanctuary states and they'll be isolated and targeted indefinitely.

Come on Californians, take one for the team, move to fly over states to rebalance the EC.

And we get to see if any impact from covid deaths

 

[VRAMdemon]

Alito’s draft is dated February – the other justices have had this for a couple months. And the decision itself is still months away. So why leak this now? The hard-line conservatives don’t give a shit what people think of them. It would accomplish precisely jack and squat for a liberal to leak the draft and appeal for public pressure to sway the court. And it most likely would have be leaked closer to February.

It’s more likely that a conservative justice or clerk leaked it to lock in those five votes. Maybe Alito felt that 1 or 2 conservative judges might be on the fence about the breadth of the decision. Leaking this draft puts all five on record as supporting fully overturning Roe, so if they end up signing onto a more restricted decision it will be clear to the conservative movement that they backed off. A conservative could leak the draft now, thereby making it difficult or impossible for a wavering justice to change their mind and suffer the wrath and scorn of their political patrons. These justices all move in professional and social circles dominated by conservatives. They care about their reputations among the conservative legal community. And if conservatives see that a complete revocation of Roe is at hand, but ends up being undone due to a wavering conservative justice, that justice would incur the white-hot fury of the movement for the rest of their lives. I’m not saying that this theory is right, but it certainly puts pressure on them to stay a course that they were apparently all on board with anyway.

I think it’s far more likely that someone on the conservative side was concerned about a conservative defector, or even someone pushing to soften the language of the opinion, and leaked the draft to lock everyone and everything in place. Plus, todays Conservatives are the ones who generally don’t give a shit about the rules if it advances conservative causes.
My guess it was someone from Alito’s office leaked it, or Alito himself. From his point of view, his whole legal career has been building to him writing this decision. He obviously threw himself into crafting a full-throated, root-and-branch denunciation of Roe and every legal principle it rests on. He sees this decision as his masterpiece and every turn of phrase in it as essential. And maybe since he circulated it in February, he’s gotten constant pushback from his conservative colleagues to change it. Maybe Kavanaugh wants to limit the scope somewhat, maybe Gorsuch would prefer another legal theory that reaches the same result. Maybe Roberts is still trying to put together a majority for a decision that guts Roe without fully overturning it (the CJ decides who writes the opinion when he’s in the majority).

So Alito says, Fuck that noise. Alito will be damned if he’ll let them screw up his masterpiece. So he leaks his draft – which he knows will delight conservative activists – to pressure the other conservative justices to get and stay on board with his version.

 

[UNCjigga]

Alito’s draft is dated February – the other justices have had this for a couple months. And the decision itself is still months away. So why leak this now? The hard-line conservatives don’t give a shit what people think of them. It would accomplish precisely jack and squat for a liberal to leak the draft and appeal for public pressure to sway the court. And it most likely would have be leaked closer to February.

It’s more likely that a conservative justice or clerk leaked it to lock in those five votes. Maybe Alito felt that 1 or 2 conservative judges might be on the fence about the breadth of the decision. Leaking this draft puts all five on record as supporting fully overturning Roe, so if they end up signing onto a more restricted decision it will be clear to the conservative movement that they backed off. A conservative could leak the draft now, thereby making it difficult or impossible for a wavering justice to change their mind and suffer the wrath and scorn of their political patrons. These justices all move in professional and social circles dominated by conservatives. They care about their reputations among the conservative legal community. And if conservatives see that a complete revocation of Roe is at hand, but ends up being undone due to a wavering conservative justice, that justice would incur the white-hot fury of the movement for the rest of their lives. I’m not saying that this theory is right, but it certainly puts pressure on them to stay a course that they were apparently all on board with anyway.

I think it’s far more likely that someone on the conservative side was concerned about a conservative defector, or even someone pushing to soften the language of the opinion, and leaked the draft to lock everyone and everything in place. Plus, todays Conservatives are the ones who generally don’t give a shit about the rules if it advances conservative causes.
My guess it was someone from Alito’s office leaked it, or Alito himself. From his point of view, his whole legal career has been building to him writing this decision. He obviously threw himself into crafting a full-throated, root-and-branch denunciation of Roe and every legal principle it rests on. He sees this decision as his masterpiece and every turn of phrase in it as essential. And maybe since he circulated it in February, he’s gotten constant pushback from his conservative colleagues to change it. Maybe Kavanaugh wants to limit the scope somewhat, maybe Gorsuch would prefer another legal theory that reaches the same result. Maybe Roberts is still trying to put together a majority for a decision that guts Roe without fully overturning it (the CJ decides who writes the opinion when he’s in the majority).

So Alito says, Fuck that noise. Alito will be damned if he’ll let them screw up his masterpiece. So he leaks his draft – which he knows will delight conservative activists – to pressure the other conservative justices to get and stay on board with his version.

This theory is just as plausible, if not moreso, than any other liberal Justice or their clerks/staff leaking the opinion. But I would argue the most pressure isn’t directed at any of the Alito 5 justices—it’s on Roberts himself. Him confirming the leak’s authenticity within hours and saying “we’ll find them out” just confirms it and how pissed he is.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Come on Californians, take one for the team, move to fly over states to rebalance the EC.

And we get to see if any impact from covid deaths

- Conservative message boards have this weird cognitive dissonance thing going on right now that are somehow balancing both "Haha all the job creators and people with money are fleeing California" and "Californians shouldn't move here and bring their voting habits and fat wallets with them cause now I can't afford anything".

As a Californian, its a hoot.

Also, *other* Californians, please move so I can enjoy this beautiful state with like 10 million less people please.

 

[nOOky]

Come on Californians, take one for the team, move to fly over states to rebalance the EC.

And we get to see if any impact from covid deaths

They already have in yuge numbers. I personally would never move to a shithole state like Texas or Mississippi regardless of job opportunity. I couldn't stand living somewhere that I know most of my neighbors would be lunatics.

 

[Pens1566]

Alito’s draft is dated February – the other justices have had this for a couple months. And the decision itself is still months away. So why leak this now? The hard-line conservatives don’t give a shit what people think of them. It would accomplish precisely jack and squat for a liberal to leak the draft and appeal for public pressure to sway the court. And it most likely would have be leaked closer to February.

It’s more likely that a conservative justice or clerk leaked it to lock in those five votes. Maybe Alito felt that 1 or 2 conservative judges might be on the fence about the breadth of the decision. Leaking this draft puts all five on record as supporting fully overturning Roe, so if they end up signing onto a more restricted decision it will be clear to the conservative movement that they backed off. A conservative could leak the draft now, thereby making it difficult or impossible for a wavering justice to change their mind and suffer the wrath and scorn of their political patrons. These justices all move in professional and social circles dominated by conservatives. They care about their reputations among the conservative legal community. And if conservatives see that a complete revocation of Roe is at hand, but ends up being undone due to a wavering conservative justice, that justice would incur the white-hot fury of the movement for the rest of their lives. I’m not saying that this theory is right, but it certainly puts pressure on them to stay a course that they were apparently all on board with anyway.

I think it’s far more likely that someone on the conservative side was concerned about a conservative defector, or even someone pushing to soften the language of the opinion, and leaked the draft to lock everyone and everything in place. Plus, todays Conservatives are the ones who generally don’t give a shit about the rules if it advances conservative causes.
My guess it was someone from Alito’s office leaked it, or Alito himself. From his point of view, his whole legal career has been building to him writing this decision. He obviously threw himself into crafting a full-throated, root-and-branch denunciation of Roe and every legal principle it rests on. He sees this decision as his masterpiece and every turn of phrase in it as essential. And maybe since he circulated it in February, he’s gotten constant pushback from his conservative colleagues to change it. Maybe Kavanaugh wants to limit the scope somewhat, maybe Gorsuch would prefer another legal theory that reaches the same result. Maybe Roberts is still trying to put together a majority for a decision that guts Roe without fully overturning it (the CJ decides who writes the opinion when he’s in the majority).

So Alito says, Fuck that noise. Alito will be damned if he’ll let them screw up his masterpiece. So he leaks his draft – which he knows will delight conservative activists – to pressure the other conservative justices to get and stay on board with his version.

Yep, the timing alone makes no sense if it leaked from a liberal justice/clerk. It would have been right away, or not at all.

And the "tell" is that the usual suspects are only concerned about the leak and not the content.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

This theory is just as plausible, if not moreso, than any other liberal Justice or their clerks/staff leaking the opinion. But I would argue the most pressure isn’t directed at any of the Alito 5 justices—it’s on Roberts himself. Him confirming the leak’s authenticity within hours and saying “we’ll find them out” just confirms it and how pissed he is.

- "The Roberts Court" is going to go down as one of the biggest shit shows in all of Supreme Court history. One final "FUCK YOU" from the Bush Administration to all the generations who weren't politically conscious to see that shit stain of a Presidency.

I think John Roberts knows this and I think it chafes him in the trouser area. A small respite in this hurricane of suck.

 

[BlueWeasel]

They don't care. Children who can't take care of themselves are immoral and unworthy of concern.

In the words of George Carlin, " Pre-birth? You're good. Preschool? You're fucked."

 

[eelw]

CNN segment again. 9 of 10 abortions are within the first trimesters. So stupid the continuing reduction of weeks in these bills. And the lame excuse prolife saying so many murdering babies just before giving birth.