Rockwall Texas teacher fired for out-of-wedlock pregnancy

[theeedude]

This is part of the conservative war on women. That's what Republicans are fighting for, employers who deny women contraception coverage, and who then fire them if they get pregnant.

 

[tgferg67]

I hope they are at least consistant with the male teachers. No divorce or child support being paid to a woman they are/were not married to.

 

[Jhhnn]

This is part of the conservative war on women. That's what Republicans are fighting for, employers who deny women contraception coverage, and who then fire them if they get pregnant.

Well, yeh, of course. They also revoke equal pay statutes, as in Wisconsin.

A fave cartoon-

 

[xBiffx]

Thanks OP for the opportunity to watch liberal doublespeak and mental gymnastics in action once again. Yet again we are being told to practice tolerance and not persecute a woman for engaging in immoral acts but at the same time we can practice intolerance and persecute those of a religion we don't agree with. Well played, libs.

She worked for a private institution and they had a private employment contract. If she violated it, doesn't matter the reason, there is nothing she can do. Sucks to be her.

 

[theeedude]

Thanks OP for the opportunity to watch liberal doublespeak and mental gymnastics in action once again. Yet again we are being told to practice tolerance and not persecute a woman for engaging in immoral acts but at the same time we can practice intolerance and persecute those of a religion we don't agree with. Well played, libs.

She worked for a private institution and they had a private employment contract. If she violated it, doesn't matter the reason, there is nothing she can do. Sucks to be her.

What's the immoral act? Did she hurt someone?

 

[xBiffx]

What's the immoral act? Did she hurt someone?

Yes, actually. She violated the contract with the school and violated the trust of the parents of the students she taught. Even though you might not agree with it, they probably sent their kids to that school to learn in a religiously agreeable environmental and entrusted the teachers to be good role models for their children. Although this is probably a good learning experience for the students even given the negative subject, I am sure their parents don't appreciate this kind of behavior. That is their right seeing is they pay the tuition to send their children their to learn. They can expect for the school to uphold the teacher's contracts and act in event of a violation. It is also the right of the school to terminate based on the contract violation.

 

[MovingTarget]

Thanks OP for the opportunity to watch liberal doublespeak and mental gymnastics in action once again. Yet again we are being told to practice tolerance and not persecute a woman for engaging in immoral acts but at the same time we can practice intolerance and persecute those of a religion we don't agree with. Well played, libs.

She worked for a private institution and they had a private employment contract. If she violated it, doesn't matter the reason, there is nothing she can do. Sucks to be her.

Liberal doublespeak? The consensus here seems to be otherwise. Although we lament the unfortunate situation that this teacher is in and would hope the institution would show compassion, we believe that their beliefs and rights as a religious institution do allow for the dismissal of said teacher.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes, actually. She violated the contract with the school and violated the trust of the parents of the students she taught. Even though you might not agree with it, they probably sent their kids to that school to learn in a religiously agreeable environmental and entrusted the teachers to be good role models for their children. Although this is probably a good learning experience for the students even given the negative subject, I am sure their parents don't appreciate this kind of behavior. That is their right seeing is they pay the tuition to send their children their to learn. They can expect for the school to uphold the teacher's contracts and act in event of a violation. It is also the right of the school to terminate based on the contract violation.

Just ask yourself- What would Jesus do? Stone the biatch?

Liberal doublespeak? Faux Christian doublespeak is more like it.

So-called "christians" liked it a lot better in the era of shotgun weddings & divorce after the baby was born- appearances, and only appearances, must be maintained at all costs.

 

[halik]

She's working for a private school and they have their rules. Don't agree to them? Don't work there. She agreed to the rules that were stipulated, broke them by having relations outside of wedlock and getting pregnant outside of wedlock.

What's the issue?

This. If this was a public school, rabble-rabble would be on.

 

[zinfamous]

Why was she having sex out of wedlock?

because she's human?

that's my best guess--not that I've met her.

 

[rchiu]

What does religion has anything to do with this case? The teacher signed an employment contract with morality clause. She violated it. She gets fired just like any employee violating any contract.

Suck that she maybe losing insurance and income, but maybe she need to pay more attention to the contract she signed? What about the father, her family? Time to step up and take some personal responsibility rather than blaming the school?

 

[Zebo]

Their school their rules. I don't like it and would have given her an administrative function while whole baby thing blows over, but rights of employer to fire someone for breaking a contract trump her employment rights - after all she broke a contract. They could probably sue her for breech of contract but are being nice.

I used to have a type of job where if you took your monitoring device off or brought in any type of camera, cell phones, or recording equipment it was instant termination and perhaps criminal charges. You just didnt do it. Same deal.

 

[Throckmorton]

So I guess the message they're sending their students is... If you get pregnant, you should just get an abortion so you aren't condemned publicly.

 

[highland145]

What does religion has anything to do with this case? The teacher signed an employment contract with morality clause. She violated it. She gets fired just like any employee violating any contract.

Well this is P&N aka the CBN.

Hey, Dave, I looked for your thread expression your dismay at Petrino's firing because he "negatively or adversely affects the reputation of the (university's) athletics programs"and I couldn't find it. Link please.

 

[cybrsage]

Love those Christian rules about forgiveness.....

Forgiveness does not mean a free ride. Forgiveness can be given and punishment still be required.

 

[cybrsage]

What's the immoral act? Did she hurt someone?

Immoral means Not Moral. Moral is:

mor·al

   /ˈmɔrəl, ˈmɒr-/ http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/IPA_pron_key.htmlShow Spelled[mawr-uhl, mor-] http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/Spell_pron_key.htmlShow IPA
adjective 1. of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong; ethical: moral attitudes.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moral

The rules of right conduct were listed in her employment contract, which she agreed to follow prior to starting her employment.

 

[actuarial]

She should claim she didn't have premarital sex. Let the school stand up in front of everyone and declare immaculate conception is impossible. Let the staff members that fired her explain it, and then question their ability to be good Christian role models after they reject the bible. It won't work, but hopefully there's some lawyer out there who's willing to do it to make a point.

This wouldn't fly where I am, as you can't discriminate based on marital status when it comes to employment. And yes, I do believe that employment laws should trump freedom of religion.

 

[cybrsage]

So I guess the message they're sending their students is... If you get pregnant, you should just get an abortion so you aren't condemned publicly.

The message they are sending is:

If you sign a contract and agree to follow certain rules or face punishment, you should not be surprised when you face punishment for not following the rules you agreed to follow.

Not a hard concept, but one which appears to be something you have never heard about before.

 

[classy]

She's working for a private school and they have their rules. Don't agree to them? Don't work there. She agreed to the rules that were stipulated, broke them by having relations outside of wedlock and getting pregnant outside of wedlock.

What's the issue?

Gotta agree. This has been well established, that if you want to work for a private school you have to be willing to uphold their standards of conduct.

 

[classy]

She might have a case actually:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=33276433&postcount=5

I do believe the court has already ruled that private schools have the right to do this.

 

[actuarial]

The message they are sending is:

If you sign a contract and agree to follow certain rules or face punishment, you should not be surprised when you face punishment for not following the rules you agreed to follow.

Not a hard concept, but one which appears to be something you have never heard about before.

And the other message is: 'Jesus was wrong about forgiveness'.

 

[cybrsage]

And the other message is: 'Jesus was wrong about forgiveness'.

Nope, not at all. Do you care to support your claim?

 

[Atreus21]

The legality of the firing remains unclear, but the faux morality behind it is obvious.

Faux morality? A school expecting its teachers to be good examples to the students, and firing people who willfully defy that expectation, is fake morality?

 

[Atreus21]

This is part of the conservative war on women. That's what Republicans are fighting for, employers who deny women contraception coverage, and who then fire them if they get pregnant.

Yesssss, hahaha, we love to see those evil EVIL women ground into the dirt. Heeheehee, we must destroy ALL WOMEN. HAHAHA!

 

[theeedude]

Immoral means Not Moral. Moral is:


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moral

The rules of right conduct were listed in her employment contract, which she agreed to follow prior to starting her employment.

There was nothing wrong with what she did.