Robert Gates announcement

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Good for Gates, i expect lots of idiot republicans to start frothing at the mouth and call him a liberal commie terrorist sympathizer. The F22 is a humongous waste of money and are ill suited for the wars we are fighting today... drones are a much better use of money. The soviet union isn't a threat anymore.

Ahahaha, i called it:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2223474/posts

Republicans = morons

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Phokus
Good for Gates, i expect lots of idiot republicans to start frothing at the mouth and call him a liberal commie terrorist sympathizer. The F22 is a humongous waste of money and are ill suited for the wars we are fighting today... drones are a much better use of money. The soviet union isn't a threat anymore.

Ahahaha, i called it:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2223474/posts

Republicans = morons

So Freerepublic = all Republicans?

I could go on DU right now and see where people are still saying CHENEY is a player on the world stage and is commanding muslims to make threats against us.

Also the 9/11 wierdos swing left.

There are nuts on both sides.

 

[nullzero]

Funny they cut the F-22... But there is plentiful amounts of money to hand out to the banks. When it comes to actual solid assets that; defend this country, create jobs, and that are made in America there is no money.

 

[nageov3t]

cutting missile defense spending a day after NK launches missiles that can reach the west coast seems like not a super great idea.

 

[jpeyton]

You would think a move to spend our defense budget more intelligently, gearing it towards our war on violent extremism instead of preparing for WWIII, would be met with universal praise. Especially in an era when our forces overseas are stretched so tightly, you would think spending less money on $320 million jets (that have never been used in combat) and more money on intelligence/surveillance and hiring more troops/civil servants would improve their situation.

Good riddance to $320 million F22s, unneeded Marine One choppers, and 747s with friggin' laser beams attached to their heads. I hope over the next 8 years, Obama guts the current way the Pentagon does business. This first 100 days is certainly a good sign.

 

[Modelworks]

Several ships that were/are starting manufacturing were delayed till 2011.

These are some of the ones cut back.
http://www.ddxnationalteam.com/

 

[Lemon law]

OCguy gets no argument from me when he notes, "There are nuts on both sides."

But what we forget to mention, this not 1960 when the USA had a huge trade surplus and could call the tune, this is 2009, our balance of trade has been in the toilet for 30 years, our economy just melted down, and when the going gets tough, the tough get real.

The reality challenged idiots can stay on fantasy island for all I care, the rest of us need to move on and leave them behind.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Elfear
If you guys haven't had a chance to read this article by Secretary Gates, you should. He explains his philosophy about the types of warfare we'll be fighting and where our defense dollars need to be spent in the future. Really good read as he actually gets into some detail and not just statements intended to impress the media.

Good article :thumbsup:

Lots of Republicant armchair generals on this forum are trying to second guess a long-overdue set of reforms.

 

[Aikouka]

Well, this isn't great news .

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
Well, this isn't great news .

well yeah, if you work on the f22 it isn't, but for the rest of America, it's fantastic news... it's a complete waste of money, we're not fighting the cold war anymore.

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed

Originally posted by: Genx87
It is called being prepared. We right now have the technological advantage. Do we want to relinquish it so we can erect another failed social program?

btw I believe the initial investment of the F-22 was supposed to top out about 250 planes. So i guess we will get close. The rest of our fleet is supposed to be replaced with F-35s.

Our economies being so intertwined are what will get us into a war imo.

You can be prepared, but it is stupid to buy a cannon to kill a fly, when aerosol can would do the job just as good. No one is arguing for a total disarmament, just for keeping defense spending at a level that is justified by the current threats.

i work for the defense industry and i agree with this. some projects are way overkill! the f22 is a sweet plane, but as someone said, it was designed with major pork

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
Well, this isn't great news .

Do you own defense stock :laugh:

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Do you own defense stock :laugh:

Nah. Lockheed actually went up 9% today, but with this news, I don't think that will hold tomorrow when the floor opens .

I know people that work on said program(s) and hearing this kind of news in this economy is a bit scary .

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed


1. A large scale conflict that requires hundreds and hundreds of ships and airplanes is unlikely at this point. The world is now too economically intertwined to start a war.

right now trade is about at a comparable level to pre- ww1, relative to gdp.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Do you own defense stock :laugh:

Nah. Lockheed actually went up 9% today, but with this news, I don't think that will hold tomorrow when the floor opens .

I know people that work on said program(s) and hearing this kind of news in this economy is a bit scary .

Yeah i'm not shedding any tears for them

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed

Originally posted by: Genx87
It is called being prepared. We right now have the technological advantage. Do we want to relinquish it so we can erect another failed social program?

btw I believe the initial investment of the F-22 was supposed to top out about 250 planes. So i guess we will get close. The rest of our fleet is supposed to be replaced with F-35s.

Our economies being so intertwined are what will get us into a war imo.

You can be prepared, but it is stupid to buy a cannon to kill a fly, when aerosol can would do the job just as good. No one is arguing for a total disarmament, just for keeping defense spending at a level that is justified by the current threats.

That was what was being done in 1937-40 also.

No one really believed who the threads were and would they actaully follow through.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Yeah i'm not shedding any tears for them

Yeah, I'm sure it's all their fault :roll:.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
Well, this isn't great news .

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Gotta agree that not being the super decider is less than ideal, but where were you as we incrementally did everything possible to piss our advantage away?

That was then and now is now, now that a fantasy Island defense is no longer possible, saying that not great news feeds not a single bulldog nor creates a single sour grape.

 

[sciwizam]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Do you own defense stock :laugh:

Nah. Lockheed actually went up 9% today, but with this news, I don't think that will hold tomorrow when the floor opens .

I know people that work on said program(s) and hearing this kind of news in this economy is a bit scary .

Yeah i'm not shedding any tears for them

Yeah, because their jobs don't count as jobs.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: sciwizam

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Do you own defense stock :laugh:

Nah. Lockheed actually went up 9% today, but with this news, I don't think that will hold tomorrow when the floor opens .

I know people that work on said program(s) and hearing this kind of news in this economy is a bit scary .

Yeah i'm not shedding any tears for them

Yeah, because their jobs don't count as jobs.

Lots of people are losing their jobs these days. With our current economic crisis, are the people manufacturing a $320 million jet that has never seen combat really surprised they aren't a priority in the defense budget?

 

[Lemon law]

In the grand scheme of things, its always better to starve to death with your cold dead fingers on the joystick of a F-22.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: sciwizam

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Do you own defense stock :laugh:

Nah. Lockheed actually went up 9% today, but with this news, I don't think that will hold tomorrow when the floor opens .

I know people that work on said program(s) and hearing this kind of news in this economy is a bit scary .

Yeah i'm not shedding any tears for them

Yeah, because their jobs don't count as jobs.

A McDonalds janitor provides more value to society than someone who works on one of these projects

 

[smashp]

Indeed, minutes after Gates finished his statement, Sen. James M. Inhofe (R-Okla.) condemned the proposal.

"I cannot believe what I heard today," Inhofe said in a statement. "President Obama is disarming America. Never before has a president so ravaged the military at a time of war."


Gates unveils broad changes in Pentagon spending

What a tool.

I think the one think we have learned over the last 10 years is that our air to air and, air to ground, and air to sea, capabilities are not what have been causing problems with our active wars.


I mean, we bombed the living crap out of Iraq in a couple of Days.


These people are lunatics trying to score political points on the cutbacks made but a def sec that was appointed orgionally by a ...........

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Do you own defense stock :laugh:

Nah. Lockheed actually went up 9% today, but with this news, I don't think that will hold tomorrow when the floor opens .

I know people that work on said program(s) and hearing this kind of news in this economy is a bit scary .

Yeah i'm not shedding any tears for them

We get it, you are the liberal answer to Winnar.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Good! Too many people are way too willing to throw my money at useless shit like more planes and bigger bombs.

Yea, that money really needs to go to something useful, like AIG.

Let's be realistic here.

1. A large scale conflict that requires hundreds and hundreds of ships and airplanes is unlikely at this point. The world is now too economically intertwined to start a war.

2. Small conflicts such as first Iraq War can be handled sufficiently with the forces US already has.

3. More ships and planes will not stop any possible terrorist attacks.


It makes no sense to spend so much on defense when it's not needed.

So you want to go off of "not-likely?"

Do you watch world politics at all? At any moment, China can invade Taiwan, NK can invade SK, the Russians can make a push west to regain old soviet territory.

Do you live in a world that is all unicorns and rainbows and everone holds hands and sings?

Edit: Not to mention, when Israel strikes Iran, Iran may try and close the Straight of Hormuz or otherwise hit us.

Make sure you check your closet tonight for the boogey man before you go to sleep.


Wait

you already do every evening


not

surprising