Rober Horry, Hall of Fame consideration?

[spanky]

no

 

[Qwest]

no way at all.
on Houston, he had Hakeem and Clyde getting double teamed (wide open shots)
Lakers, Shaq and Kobe, repeat.
Spurs, Duncan, Ginobili, Parker all get more pressure, repeat.

 

[iamme]

no way.

he's hyped right now because of these big shots. however, compare his career with guys like Dominique Wilkins and Joe Dumars who didn't make it in on their first try.

 

[DocBartend]

hell no

War Eagle!

 

[Miramonti]

Funny thing is that he's not good enough to be truly counted on for offense, which is why he often gets the open looks he does. He's probably never had a play run for him in his life.

 

[dethman]

Originally posted by: Parrotheader

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1

Originally posted by: Parrotheader
One of the things I like most about him (other than epitomizing what clutch play is) is that he's one of the classiest guys in the league. You rarely see him lose his cool, you rarely see him snap at a ref, he almost always helps guys up off the floor and apologizes for hard fouls. True class.

Except he went something like 3-28 from 3 point land in the 2003 playoffs

He was tried to punch Jeff Honacek, he also pushed a camera man...

One of the classiest guys huh

Nobody's saying he's a perfect shooter. Everybody's going to miss and go through tough spells. NOBODY hits them all.

I remember the Hornacek incident too. Definitely a low point for him, but he wasn't the only guy on the court that night who lost control. Both teams were banging VERY hard that game and Shaq and Malone were about to go at it too right when that happened. And from what little I just read about the camera incident (hadn't heard of that one before) it sounds a little overblown more due to the fact that it was caught on camera going into the half and glossed over how he had just been tripped by the guy running the wires. Definitely nothing to be proud of though.

You can probably nitpick just about any player's career and find some ugly points (and we're just talking about a couple here over a 15 year career.) I still think the guy has conducted himself better than most players in the league over the course of his career.

he also threw a towel at coach danny ainge's face, which is why he got traded to the lakers.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

great role player, but not a hall of famer

 

[Patt]

Originally posted by: iamme
no way.

he's hyped right now because of these big shots. however, compare his career with guys like Dominique Wilkins and Joe Dumars who didn't make it in on their first try.

I don't think that Horry is HoF material ... great clutch shooting though. I would put him in the HoF before Dominique though, because although the career numbers aren't nearly so high, he has won something, five (soon to be six) times. The regular season means dick if you can't win in the playoffs.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Parrotheader
since this thread's taking off now I'll just copy/paste from the playoffs thread:

I love Horry (Roll Tide!) but he won't get a whiff of the HOF. He just doesn't have the raw numbers. We all know he has the intangibles though. However, I hope he gets MVP for this finals if San Antonio can put it away when they got back home.

I honestly don't think (outside of Jordan and Bird) that there's any shooter I'd ever want to have the ball more with a game in the NBA playoffs on the line. The guy defines clutch.

Reggie Miller. And there are a couple others I'm not thinking of.

 

[preslove]

HOF???? This is basketball, who the hell cares?

 

[slydecix]

overrated.

Horry's true genius isn't his clutch shooting. It's his understanding of roundball amnesia. After sinking a buzzer-beater against Sacramento in the 2002 playoffs, Horry explained his philosophy. "If I hit it we win, if I miss y'all are going to blame the stars for losing the game anyway," he told the Washington Post's Michael Wilbon. "There's no pressure on me." Horry has none of the guts and gets all of the glory. In the 2003 playoffs, Horry went 2-for-38 from behind the arc?and everybody blamed Shaq and Kobe for the Lakers' downfall. After this year's Game 3 drubbing, Horry got off again?it was Manu Ginobili's and Tim Duncan's fault.

The Big Shot Bob persona is so overwhelming that it blocks out more than missed shots. Remember when Horry took a swing at Utah's Jeff Hornacek in 1997? What a clutch punch! Or when he threw a towel in the face of his coach, Danny Ainge, that same year? Dagger! How about when he got fined for shoving a cameraman in 2003? Now that's killer instinct!

 

[Wooglin]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
great role player, but not a hall of famer

If he was also a great defensive player, with numerous 1st team selections, as well as multiple all-star game nominations, then maybe.

Comparing championship teams he has been on with Jordan is pointless. He was not the main reason any of those teams won, Jordan was. Some clutch shooting yes, but you don't see John Paxson in the HoF I don't think... I hope I am right on that one.

 

[maziwanka]

all i gotta say is that dunk was just sick

 

[Ranger X]

Luc Longley for HOF considerations!

 

[Patt]

Originally posted by: maziwanka
all i gotta say is that dunk was just sick

I'd have to agree, I was out of my chair on that one too.

 

[Parrotheader]

Originally posted by: slydecix
overrated.

Horry's true genius isn't his clutch shooting. It's his understanding of roundball amnesia. After sinking a buzzer-beater against Sacramento in the 2002 playoffs, Horry explained his philosophy. "If I hit it we win, if I miss y'all are going to blame the stars for losing the game anyway," he told the Washington Post's Michael Wilbon. "There's no pressure on me." Horry has none of the guts and gets all of the glory. In the 2003 playoffs, Horry went 2-for-38 from behind the arc?and everybody blamed Shaq and Kobe for the Lakers' downfall. After this year's Game 3 drubbing, Horry got off again?it was Manu Ginobili's and Tim Duncan's fault.

The Big Shot Bob persona is so overwhelming that it blocks out more than missed shots. Remember when Horry took a swing at Utah's Jeff Hornacek in 1997? What a clutch punch! Or when he threw a towel in the face of his coach, Danny Ainge, that same year? Dagger! How about when he got fined for shoving a cameraman in 2003? Now that's killer instinct!

LOL! From Slate.com. The leader in sports coverage and analysis . . . . if you like to find articles that are contrarian specifically for the sake of going against the grain because the whole magazine pretty much considers itself above such petty things as sports.

I'm sure that article's writer was not looking forward to checking his email this morning. The feedback/discuss section is quite entertaining.

 

[Ready]

Let me just remind everyone this isn't about rather or not RH deserves to be in the HOF, but rather or not he has done enough to be considered for the HOF. I thinnk he should be considered. Granted he's always been on the team loaded with stars, but he is the ideal player those stars need. Somebody who don't care and is willing to shoot the wide open 3 as if nothing is on the line.

 

[Argo]

Robert Horry also had luxury of playing with some very very good teams. He was on the great rockets team with Hakim and co, then Shaq and Koby with LA and now Tim, Manu and Parker in SA. Yeah, he's clutch but it's a lot easier to be clutch when you're not the first guy defense is worrying about.

 

[torpid]

I don't know what the qualifications are for HOF, but I'm willing to bet there are players there that are nowhere near as deserving as robert horry.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Argo
Robert Horry also had luxury of playing with some very very good teams. He was on the great rockets team with Hakim and co, then Shaq and Koby with LA and now Tim, Manu and Parker in SA. Yeah, he's clutch but it's a lot easier to be clutch when you're not the first guy defense is worrying about.

I'd rather almost anyone else have it at clutch-time than him

 

[Miramonti]

Not necessarily defending the thought that he's HOF material, but he's much more clutch than just with 3pt shots, he's simply a huge crunch-time player all the way around, but its the 3's that get him the most notoriety.

But as for HOF, I honestly think there should be a place for a guy like him regardless of typical qualifications...he epitomizes what a winner is, even if he doesn't have the skills to carry a team throughout the game.

 

[Parrotheader]

Originally posted by: Argo
Robert Horry also had luxury of playing with some very very good teams. He was on the great rockets team with Hakim and co, then Shaq and Koby with LA and now Tim, Manu and Parker in SA. Yeah, he's clutch but it's a lot easier to be clutch when you're not the first guy defense is worrying about.

I don't think anyone thinks he's a clutch star player (like Bryant, Duncan, Jordan, etc.) Just that he's a clutch role player. Naturally the stars are going to draw the double teams and more attention leaving the role players an opportunity to make big plays. But that's also a lot of pressure for a role player to assume. And he doesn't shy away from it and has definitely stepped up and made a lot of big plays.

I don't think he has a prayer of getting in the HOF. I don't think he'll get any consideration. But I do hope that he gets MVP for the Finals if San Antonio closes out this series at home. It would probably be the biggest individual award he'll ever receive.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: jjsole
Not necessarily defending the thought that he's HOF material, but he's much more clutch than just with 3pt shots, he's simply a huge crunch-time player all the way around, but its the 3's that get him the most notoriety.

But as for HOF, I honestly think there should be a place for a guy like him regardless of typical qualifications...he epitomizes what a winner is, even if he doesn't have the skills to carry a team throughout the game.

6th Man HOF

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: Parrotheader

Originally posted by: Argo
Robert Horry also had luxury of playing with some very very good teams. He was on the great rockets team with Hakim and co, then Shaq and Koby with LA and now Tim, Manu and Parker in SA. Yeah, he's clutch but it's a lot easier to be clutch when you're not the first guy defense is worrying about.

I don't think anyone thinks he's a clutch star player (like Bryant, Duncan, Jordan, etc.) Just that he's a clutch role player. Naturally the stars are going to draw the double teams and more attention leaving the role players an opportunity to make big plays. But that's also a lot of pressure for a role player to assume. And he doesn't shy away from it and has definitely stepped up and made a lot of big plays.

I don't think he has a prayer of getting in the HOF. I don't think he'll get any consideration. But I do hope that he gets MVP for the Finals if San Antonio closes out this series at home. It would probably be the biggest individual award he'll ever receive.

It's definitely pressure to make any kind of clutch shot, but it's one thing to make a clutch shot when defense forgot about you and left you open and another one is when they're covering you and you create your own opportunity. That's, I think, is the difference between HOF and not.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: jjsole
Not necessarily defending the thought that he's HOF material, but he's much more clutch than just with 3pt shots, he's simply a huge crunch-time player all the way around, but its the 3's that get him the most notoriety.

But as for HOF, I honestly think there should be a place for a guy like him regardless of typical qualifications...he epitomizes what a winner is, even if he doesn't have the skills to carry a team throughout the game.

6th Man HOF

Great suggestion. Maybe '6th man' inductees...it would be awesome for the HOF. Kind of like a selection but with an asterisks to maintain the respect for the players who perform at an elite level during the whole game.