RNC party scene: light on stars, heavy on fancy venues

[Insomnium]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Insomnium

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Insomnium

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: cougarls88
LOL--those Hollywood types are the HEART AND SOUL of America dont'cha know! :beer:

I think we've all seen some variant of this before, but the answer is the "heart and soul" voted for Bush, the big cities and liberal areas voted for gore:

2000 Election Map by county

Your "heart and soul" is nothing but open space and redneck towns full of redneck people.

I'm sorry, but they have no business determining the future of America's foreign policies because they are essentially left in the dark with regards to these matters. If these folks were able to THINK for themselves, they'd all be voting Democrat anyway, as Republican economic policies only hurt these people. It's a shame so many of them vote for conservatives based on ridiculous things like religious beliefs and what not and end up screwing themselves over. A damn shame.

I don't think it's fair to characterize these regions as stupid. Rather, there's more of a cultural rift between the red states and the blue states. A rift that has more to do with social issues than anything else. The red states vote Republican because they feel Republicans represent their "family values" more closely than Democrats. It would seem the further one gets from an ocean, the more socially conservative the populace gets.

I totally agree. But the fact of the matter is, the vast majority of the "cultural elite" who are educated at some of the best schools in the country is concentrated in major cities, predominantly on the coasts. This is the way it has been since the birth of America, when the vast majority of trade and foreign interaction took place in coastal cities like New York and Boston.

I also agree that these people in the middle of the country vote for "family values", but in doing so are getting short-changed because although the conservatives may boast about "family values" all they want, the brunt of their economic "improvements" via tax-cuts go directly to the wealthy, and not these poor folks in the middle of the country. This is what I find to be sad. People in rural areas were once predominantly Democrat too.

hee hee hoo hoo! If you think the "culturally elite" represent the major populations of those locations, then the brainwashing is complete!

How do you type? When I look down my nose this high I can't even see the keyboard...

The "cultural elite" are concentrated in these areas, I didn't say they are the majority of the population. Perhaps if you read my post.....

And please feel free to read my reply above as well. I am in fact a moderate who leans conservative and am in no way "culturally elite".

 

[Zephyr106]

So its perfectly fine to laud and praise the Republican voting "heart and sole" because they are in the middle "heart" of the country. They are the superior Americans and we should look to them for guidance because they are in touch with America's soul.

But lauding minority untermenschen on the coastlines is elitism, afterall the human trash along the crusts of America is most commonly comprised of sodomite atheists.

Zephyr

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
So its perfectly fine to laud and praise the Republican voting "heart and sole" because they are in the middle "heart" of the country. They are the superior Americans and we should look to them for guidance because they are in touch with America's soul.

But lauding minority untermenschen on the coastlines is elitism, afterall the human trash along the crusts of America is most commonly comprised of sodomite atheists.

Zephyr

Well, I guess if I used similar terms to the ones the Snob used (i.e. Redneck), and classified the types of housing versus the open country, then you might have a point. Of course, that'd be a first for you, since trolls generally don't have points.

My point was simply that urban areas tend to vote liberal, and urban/suburban tend to vote conservative. The "heart and soul" comment is because generally the "heartland" of america is referred to as the non-urban midwest and west areas. I would figure that an elite liberal such as yourself would be at least semi-familiar with history, or perhaps you were so immediately offended by the term that you purged it from your tiny brain.

 

[Insomnium]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
So its perfectly fine to laud and praise the Republican voting "heart and sole" because they are in the middle "heart" of the country. They are the superior Americans and we should look to them for guidance because they are in touch with America's soul.

But lauding minority untermenschen on the coastlines is elitism, afterall the human trash along the crusts of America is most commonly comprised of sodomite atheists.

Zephyr

Well, I guess if I used similar terms to the ones the Snob used (i.e. Redneck), and classified the types of housing versus the open country, then you might have a point. Of course, that'd be a first for you, since trolls generally don't have points.

My point was simply that urban areas tend to vote liberal, and urban/suburban tend to vote conservative. The "heart and soul" comment is because generally the "heartland" of america is referred to as the non-urban midwest and west areas. I would figure that an elite liberal such as yourself would be at least semi-familiar with history, or perhaps you were so immediately offended by the term that you purged it from your tiny brain.

So because the middle of America is called the "heartland" , that is where the "heart and soul" of the country is?

If you knew history instead of pretending to know it, you would know that "heartland" refers to the physical vastness and emptiness of the middle region of America, not its demographic makeup.

Please refer to any posts of mine above, as well as others', for further insight into the matter.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Insomnium

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
So its perfectly fine to laud and praise the Republican voting "heart and sole" because they are in the middle "heart" of the country. They are the superior Americans and we should look to them for guidance because they are in touch with America's soul.

But lauding minority untermenschen on the coastlines is elitism, afterall the human trash along the crusts of America is most commonly comprised of sodomite atheists.

Zephyr

Well, I guess if I used similar terms to the ones the Snob used (i.e. Redneck), and classified the types of housing versus the open country, then you might have a point. Of course, that'd be a first for you, since trolls generally don't have points.

My point was simply that urban areas tend to vote liberal, and urban/suburban tend to vote conservative. The "heart and soul" comment is because generally the "heartland" of america is referred to as the non-urban midwest and west areas. I would figure that an elite liberal such as yourself would be at least semi-familiar with history, or perhaps you were so immediately offended by the term that you purged it from your tiny brain.

So because the middle of America is called the "heartland" , that is where the "heart and soul" of the country is?

If you knew history instead of pretending to know it, you would know that "heartland" refers to the physical vastness and emptiness of the middle region of America, not its demographic makeup.

Please refer to any posts of mine above, as well as others', for further insight into the matter.

Well, let's start with dictionary.com definition:

A central region, especially one that is politically, economically, or militarily vital to a nation, region, or culture.

So you are just pulling things out of your ass now.

I'm not really interested in your insight, you pretty much summed up your worth with these comments:

nothing but open space and redneck towns full of redneck people

they have no business determining the future of America

If these folks were able to THINK for themselves, they'd all be voting Democrat anyway

So anyhow, I'd rather not argue the semantics of "heart and soul" versus "heartland" with you. Fine. The heartland, and the heart and soul are the east coast where the "culturally elite" are at if it makes you feel better. Us out here in the sticks are idjits. The 2 BS and 3 masters degrees in my household were from hick schools anyhow.

You've already firmly established your stereotypes, bias and partisanship. Run along...

 

[Insomnium]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Insomnium

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
So its perfectly fine to laud and praise the Republican voting "heart and sole" because they are in the middle "heart" of the country. They are the superior Americans and we should look to them for guidance because they are in touch with America's soul.

But lauding minority untermenschen on the coastlines is elitism, afterall the human trash along the crusts of America is most commonly comprised of sodomite atheists.

Zephyr

Well, I guess if I used similar terms to the ones the Snob used (i.e. Redneck), and classified the types of housing versus the open country, then you might have a point. Of course, that'd be a first for you, since trolls generally don't have points.

My point was simply that urban areas tend to vote liberal, and urban/suburban tend to vote conservative. The "heart and soul" comment is because generally the "heartland" of america is referred to as the non-urban midwest and west areas. I would figure that an elite liberal such as yourself would be at least semi-familiar with history, or perhaps you were so immediately offended by the term that you purged it from your tiny brain.

So because the middle of America is called the "heartland" , that is where the "heart and soul" of the country is?

If you knew history instead of pretending to know it, you would know that "heartland" refers to the physical vastness and emptiness of the middle region of America, not its demographic makeup.

Please refer to any posts of mine above, as well as others', for further insight into the matter.

Well, let's start with dictionary.com definition:

A central region, especially one that is politically, economically, or militarily vital to a nation, region, or culture.

So you are just pulling things out of your ass now.

I'm not really interested in your insight, you pretty much summed up your worth with these comments:

nothing but open space and redneck towns full of redneck people

they have no business determining the future of America

If these folks were able to THINK for themselves, they'd all be voting Democrat anyway

So anyhow, I'd rather not argue the semantics of "heart and soul" versus "heartland" with you. Fine. The heartland, and the heart and soul are the east coast where the "culturally elite" are at if it makes you feel better. Us out here in the sticks are idjits. The 2 BS and 3 masters degrees in my household were from hick schools anyhow.

You've already firmly established your stereotypes, bias and partisanship. Run along...

You sir, have just beautifully demonstrated Republican tactics in their purest form by taking EVERYTHING, and I mean EVERYTHING, out of context.

Let's start with your definition. You're joking right? That is a generic definition that in no way applies to the history of the United States. The heartland was termed the heartland long before people even began living in the region in numbers.

And as for all of my other quotes, you took each and every one out of context, which is what you Republicans resort to because you know you have 0 chance of winning an argument straight up. For the love of God, read all of my replies again, this time TAKING MY QUOTATIONS IN CONTEXT, and you will see that I mean that these people SHOULD be voting DEMOCRAT because they WOULD BE BETTER OFF.

You sir, are giving moderate conservatives like myself a bad name by pulling all these BS tactics all the time.

And no, there is no heartland and no "heart and soul". These terms shouldn't even be used. It's all AMERICA whether you like it or not.

 

[alchemize]

Feel free to explain the context of these quotes. Please, feel free to elaborate. I added the "full context" of each statement. The bold is my orginal snip, the non-bold is the additional "context"

As I've said, I'm done discussing the heartland. You win :roll:

quote:
1. "Your "heart and soul" is nothing but open space and redneck towns full of redneck people"

quote:
2. "I'm sorry, but they have no business determining the future of America's foreign policies because they are essentially left in the dark with regards to these matters."

quote:
3. "If these folks were able to THINK for themselves, they'd all be voting Democrat anyway, as Republican economic policies only hurt these people."

"giving moderate conservatives like myself" Heh somebody is suffering from conjuritis.

 

[Insomnium]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Feel free to explain the context of these quotes. Please, feel free to elaborate. I added the "full context" of each statement. The bold is my orginal snip, the non-bold is the additional "context"

As I've said, I'm done discussing the heartland. You win :roll:

quote:
1. "Your "heart and soul" is nothing but open space and redneck towns full of redneck people"

quote:
2. "I'm sorry, but they have no business determining the future of America's foreign policies because they are essentially left in the dark with regards to these matters."

quote:
3. "If these folks were able to THINK for themselves, they'd all be voting Democrat anyway, as Republican economic policies only hurt these people."

"giving moderate conservatives like myself" Heh somebody is suffering from conjuritis.

1. That's what the political map linked to in this thread clearly illustrated. I'm not calling them or you rednecks. They call themselves rednecks so I'll gladly use the term.

2. and 3. are FRIGGIN SELF EXPLANATORY!! What don't you understand???

2. Since the beginning of America, people living in the major coastal cities and major cities in general have had an enormously more expansive knowledge of world politics and world economics than people who live in the heartland, primarily because they interact with the rest of the world more frequently, and are better educated about world matters than those in the heartland (the physical area of the US). Therefore, I trust them to make decisions involving foreign policy before I trust people in the heartland (the physical area of the US).

3. Republican policies do tremendous damage to people living in the midwest. People hear great things coming from the President's mouth and conservatives' mouths all the time to the tune of: we will "build a better America", "We are for the Middle Class", "Tax cuts are great, will lead to a boom in the economy and you will all benefit", "we are for family values so vote for us".

They hear these things, accept them as fact, and vote conservative. How do I know this? Because if they thought for themselves, they would know that conservative economic policies royally screw them over and they would never vote Republican.

And yes... I'm a moderate conservative. Does this mean I can't disagree with you?

 

[alchemize]

Insomnium, you are just an elite snob, too smart for the stupid people, and we'll leave it at that. mmkay?

 

[Moonbeam]

I will pay as much attention to the Republican convention as I did to the Democratic convention.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I will pay as much attention to the Republican convention as I did to the Democratic convention.

Am I reading this right? That means none, correct?

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Why the heck is the RNC in New York city? They picked a really crappy location IMHO. I don't think the New Yorkers will be very receptive to a bunch of country stars and cowboys. They should have picked a Southern state or Midwest state.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Why the heck is the RNC in New York city? They picked a really crappy location IMHO. I don't think the New Yorkers will be very receptive to a bunch of country stars and cowboys. They should have picked a Southern state or Midwest state.

Well the entertainment is for the delagates not the residents of NYC. I think they will be very receptive of Country and Western Music. Uyup!

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Why the heck is the RNC in New York city? They picked a really crappy location IMHO. I don't think the New Yorkers will be very receptive to a bunch of country stars and cowboys. They should have picked a Southern state or Midwest state.

As stated above, it's to directly use the death of 3,000 Americans to strike fear once again into electing them again for four more years of exploitation.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
One thing I have to wonder about the RNC is WHY NY?

They're losing that state, in most polls, by more than 25%. The only conclusion I can think of is that they're directly using 9/11 as a political ploy. Sad really.

So now no one can ever do anything in NYC ever again? Come on. NYC is a huge gathering place with lots of scenery. Your claims of it being about 9/11 is paranoia. The only time I ever hear about 9/11 nowadays is when liberals bring it up as a way to show their hatred for Bush. Liberals use it as a political ploy in every chance they get, it seems.

Well obviously, being the RNC the location choice is pure politics. Just like with the DNC. The rest of your post is just the usual nonsensical "liberals ... blah blah blah ... hate Bush ... blah blah ..." that I'm used to hearing from the right. Apparently, you're projecting your hatred of all things liberal onto the rest of us. Sheesh, knock it off already.

I havn't watched more than 2 hours of TV in the past month and a half, so I have not seen a single ad that either side has run. When I read these boards, anytime you hear that Bush takes one step in NYC, all the liberals start talking about 9/11 and how he is milking it. I don't hate all things liberal, but when they start chanting crap about 9/11 every time NYC and Bush are in the same sentence, it irritates me. There are hundreds of factors to consider when choosing where to hold this, and one of them probably is 9/11, but to say that the sole reason why they are holding in NYC is because of 9/11 is stupid and paranoid.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
One thing I have to wonder about the RNC is WHY NY?

They're losing that state, in most polls, by more than 25%. The only conclusion I can think of is that they're directly using 9/11 as a political ploy. Sad really.

So now no one can ever do anything in NYC ever again? Come on. NYC is a huge gathering place with lots of scenery. Your claims of it being about 9/11 is paranoia. The only time I ever hear about 9/11 nowadays is when liberals bring it up as a way to show their hatred for Bush. Liberals use it as a political ploy in every chance they get, it seems.

Well obviously, being the RNC the location choice is pure politics. Just like with the DNC. The rest of your post is just the usual nonsensical "liberals ... blah blah blah ... hate Bush ... blah blah ..." that I'm used to hearing from the right. Apparently, you're projecting your hatred of all things liberal onto the rest of us. Sheesh, knock it off already.

I havn't watched more than 2 hours of TV in the past month and a half, so I have not seen a single ad that either side has run. When I read these boards, anytime you hear that Bush takes one step in NYC, all the liberals start talking about 9/11 and how he is milking it. I don't hate all things liberal, but when they start chanting crap about 9/11 every time NYC and Bush are in the same sentence, it irritates me. There are hundreds of factors to consider when choosing where to hold this, and one of them probably is 9/11, but to say that the sole reason why they are holding in NYC is because of 9/11 is stupid and paranoid.

Well my opinion is based upon what I've seen and heard from his campaign ads he's been running. 9/11 is a big political ploy in his entire campaign, so therefore the RNC being in NYC is also a ploy.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Insomnium

1. That's what the political map linked to in this thread clearly illustrated. I'm not calling them or you rednecks. They call themselves rednecks so I'll gladly use the term.

2. and 3. are FRIGGIN SELF EXPLANATORY!! What don't you understand???

2. Since the beginning of America, people living in the major coastal cities and major cities in general have had an enormously more expansive knowledge of world politics and world economics than people who live in the heartland, primarily because they interact with the rest of the world more frequently, and are better educated about world matters than those in the heartland (the physical area of the US). Therefore, I trust them to make decisions involving foreign policy before I trust people in the heartland (the physical area of the US).

3. Republican policies do tremendous damage to people living in the midwest. People hear great things coming from the President's mouth and conservatives' mouths all the time to the tune of: we will "build a better America", "We are for the Middle Class", "Tax cuts are great, will lead to a boom in the economy and you will all benefit", "we are for family values so vote for us".

They hear these things, accept them as fact, and vote conservative. How do I know this? Because if they thought for themselves, they would know that conservative economic policies royally screw them over and they would never vote Republican.

And yes... I'm a moderate conservative. Does this mean I can't disagree with you?

Wow, those are some pretty elitist comments there, Insomnium. Perhaps you also believe that everyone who wants to vote must pass some sort of IQ test or Political Quiz, to show that they are "worthy" of having a say in how they are governed? Maybe that would weed out all the "rednecks" who don't have a clue about what's going on the world...

 

[Insomnium]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Wow, those are some pretty elitist comments there, Insomnium. Perhaps you also believe that everyone who wants to vote must pass some sort of IQ test or Political Quiz, to show that they are "worthy" of having a say in how they are governed? Maybe that would weed out all the "rednecks" who don't have a clue about what's going on the world...

If this happened, none of your "rednecks" would vote conservative. And you know what, I would be in favor of a political examination because it would weed out fools ON BOTH SIDES who blindly vote along party lines without ever deeply considering the issues. You don't think it would be a good idea to have informed people voting on extremely important and critical issues? And i'm not talking about smarts or intelligence here. I'm talking about people being informed without any sort of political spin from either side.

When people are not informed, political parties and their candidates essentially sell their uninformed voters "lemons".

Insomnium, you are just an elite snob, too smart for the stupid people, and we'll leave it at that. mmkay?

I'm by no means "elite" or a "snob", and I'm almost 100% sure I come from far more humble beginnings than yourself. It just hurts to watch millions of people intentionally hurt themselves while the few truly elite snobs in this country reap all the f$cking benefits.

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: Insomnium
I hate to say it, but the presence of Republicans and country music stars and what not in the 'Big Apple' is essentially equivalent to the presence of Hillbillies in the 'Big Apple'. These people simply have no real place in New York City. New York State, yes, but not New York City.

And last I checked it was a free country. They have as much a place as you do.

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: Insomnium

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: cougarls88
LOL--those Hollywood types are the HEART AND SOUL of America dont'cha know! :beer:

I think we've all seen some variant of this before, but the answer is the "heart and soul" voted for Bush, the big cities and liberal areas voted for gore:

2000 Election Map by county

Your "heart and soul" is nothing but open space and redneck towns full of redneck people.

I'm sorry, but they have no business determining the future of America's foreign policies because they are essentially left in the dark with regards to these matters. If these folks were able to THINK for themselves, they'd all be voting Democrat anyway, as Republican economic policies only hurt these people. It's a shame so many of them vote for conservatives based on ridiculous things like religious beliefs and what not and end up screwing themselves over. A damn shame.

Wow. So some people get to vote and some dont? Someone thinks differently than you, and that makes them stupid?

Rather arrogant arent you?

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: Insomnium

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Wow, those are some pretty elitist comments there, Insomnium. Perhaps you also believe that everyone who wants to vote must pass some sort of IQ test or Political Quiz, to show that they are "worthy" of having a say in how they are governed? Maybe that would weed out all the "rednecks" who don't have a clue about what's going on the world...

If this happened, none of your "rednecks" would vote conservative. And you know what, I would be in favor of a political examination because it would weed out fools ON BOTH SIDES who blindly vote along party lines without ever deeply considering the issues. You don't think it would be a good idea to have informed people voting on extremely important and critical issues? And i'm not talking about smarts or intelligence here. I'm talking about people being informed without any sort of political spin from either side.

When people are not informed, political parties and their candidates essentially sell their uninformed voters "lemons".

Insomnium, you are just an elite snob, too smart for the stupid people, and we'll leave it at that. mmkay?

I'm by no means "elite" or a "snob", and I'm almost 100% sure I come from far more humble beginnings than yourself. It just hurts to watch millions of people intentionally hurt themselves while the few truly elite snobs in this country reap all the f$cking benefits.

So if I vote contrary to what you do, I am hurting myself? Does this go back to me being a stupid redneck? I am confused... I think I need a Jersey liberal to help me out...

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I will pay as much attention to the Republican convention as I did to the Democratic convention.

I am right there with ya!

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I will pay as much attention to the Republican convention as I did to the Democratic convention.

Am I reading this right? That means none, correct?

Absolutely correct.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Insomnium

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
So its perfectly fine to laud and praise the Republican voting "heart and sole" because they are in the middle "heart" of the country. They are the superior Americans and we should look to them for guidance because they are in touch with America's soul.

But lauding minority untermenschen on the coastlines is elitism, afterall the human trash along the crusts of America is most commonly comprised of sodomite atheists.

Zephyr

Well, I guess if I used similar terms to the ones the Snob used (i.e. Redneck), and classified the types of housing versus the open country, then you might have a point. Of course, that'd be a first for you, since trolls generally don't have points.

My point was simply that urban areas tend to vote liberal, and urban/suburban tend to vote conservative. The "heart and soul" comment is because generally the "heartland" of america is referred to as the non-urban midwest and west areas. I would figure that an elite liberal such as yourself would be at least semi-familiar with history, or perhaps you were so immediately offended by the term that you purged it from your tiny brain.

So because the middle of America is called the "heartland" , that is where the "heart and soul" of the country is?

If you knew history instead of pretending to know it, you would know that "heartland" refers to the physical vastness and emptiness of the middle region of America, not its demographic makeup.

Please refer to any posts of mine above, as well as others', for further insight into the matter.

Well, let's start with dictionary.com definition:

A central region, especially one that is politically, economically, or militarily vital to a nation, region, or culture.

So you are just pulling things out of your ass now.

I'm not really interested in your insight, you pretty much summed up your worth with these comments:

nothing but open space and redneck towns full of redneck people

they have no business determining the future of America

If these folks were able to THINK for themselves, they'd all be voting Democrat anyway

So anyhow, I'd rather not argue the semantics of "heart and soul" versus "heartland" with you. Fine. The heartland, and the heart and soul are the east coast where the "culturally elite" are at if it makes you feel better. Us out here in the sticks are idjits. The 2 BS and 3 masters degrees in my household were from hick schools anyhow.

You've already firmly established your stereotypes, bias and partisanship. Run along...

I gotta agree with alchemize on this one. I too have stereotyped the South and mid-West as "redneck" for quite some time. It was not until I actually visited some states in the "heartland" that my opinion changed a bit. The people were generally a lot more friendly in the Southern states i visited, and if people in Southern California and other coastal and metropolitan cities were as hospitable as the Southerners I met the world would be a better place. That in mind, my only beef would be the somewhat limited view of the world that many Southerners tended to have. I think both sides could learn a great deal from each other.

 

[Insomnium]

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland

Originally posted by: Insomnium

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Wow, those are some pretty elitist comments there, Insomnium. Perhaps you also believe that everyone who wants to vote must pass some sort of IQ test or Political Quiz, to show that they are "worthy" of having a say in how they are governed? Maybe that would weed out all the "rednecks" who don't have a clue about what's going on the world...

If this happened, none of your "rednecks" would vote conservative. And you know what, I would be in favor of a political examination because it would weed out fools ON BOTH SIDES who blindly vote along party lines without ever deeply considering the issues. You don't think it would be a good idea to have informed people voting on extremely important and critical issues? And i'm not talking about smarts or intelligence here. I'm talking about people being informed without any sort of political spin from either side.

When people are not informed, political parties and their candidates essentially sell their uninformed voters "lemons".

Insomnium, you are just an elite snob, too smart for the stupid people, and we'll leave it at that. mmkay?

I'm by no means "elite" or a "snob", and I'm almost 100% sure I come from far more humble beginnings than yourself. It just hurts to watch millions of people intentionally hurt themselves while the few truly elite snobs in this country reap all the f$cking benefits.

So if I vote contrary to what you do, I am hurting myself? Does this go back to me being a stupid redneck? I am confused... I think I need a Jersey liberal to help me out...

:BANGING HEAD AGAINST WALL REPEATEDLY:

I said if you happen to live in the heartland (physical area) and vote Republican you are royallly screwing yourself over. Did you even bother to read the whole thread? Wait, I already know the answer to this one. Perhaps you wouldn't be confused if you read through the entire thread and then formed your own opinion. Or would that involve too much thinking? I could care less if you disagree with me. It would make no difference if I vote for Bush. You're still screwing yourself over.

And I am not a "liberal" for Christ's sake. Hint: just because someone disagrees with you, does not mean he is a liberal.

And yea, I completely agree that southerners are friendlier as well since I have had much interaction with southerners also. But what does this have to do with voting? Nothing. Unless you're saying that because they are so friendly they are too naive to think that Republicans would purposely exploit their votes, which in a sense is what they are doing (not all, but many).