RNC Distorts Truth in Ad Attacking Kerry

[conjur]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5727982/

...Chris felt the interview back in January with Kerry was taken out of context. (Click here for the full RNC video which used the bite.)

Below is the FULL exchange between Chris Matthews and John Kerry:

MATTHEWS: Do you think you belong in that category of candidates who more or less are unhappy with this war? The way it?s been fought? Along with General Clark, along with Howard Dean, and not necessarily in companionship politically on the issue of the war with people like Lieberman, Edwards and Gephardt? Are you one of the anti-war candidates?

KERRY: I am. Yes. In the sense that I don?t believe the president took to us war as he should have, yes. Absolutely. Do I think this president violated his promises to America? Yes, I do, Chris. Was there a way to hold Saddam Hussein accountable? You bet there was and we should have done it right.

This is what the RNC-related web video used:

MATTHEWS: Are you one of the anti-war candidates?

KERRY: I am. Yes.

On last night?s Hardball, he asked Bush-Cheney '04 Sr. Strategist Matthew Dowd and Sr. Advisor to the Kerry-Edwards campaign Tad Devine on whether or not the way the interview was used is fair.

?The impression John Kerry was trying to leave when he was up against Howard Dean in the primary was he was the anti-war candidate after he voted for the resolution,? Matthew Dowd said. ?You asked John Kerry a yes or no question. And he said ?yes, absolutely.??

?I want to be perfectly fair here,? Chris Matthews told Dowd. ?Eight million supporters of the president received a videotape. Do you think that was a fair cropping of what he had to say? You cut him off after he said, yes. And you did not let him continue on to say, ?in the sense that I don?t believe the president took to us war as he should have.??

Matthews went further and asked Dowd to ask the president to stop claiming that Kerry ?declared himself the anti-war candidate.? ?Is the president going to keep saying that something that was said on this show wasn?t said? Would you like to have your sentences cut down like to a third of their length and let people decide on the first three or four words what you meant by the 20 words? I think you guys should consider taking this off your loop. I think the president ought to be shown this tape so he knows what he?s talking about, instead of having it fed to him by somebody who doesn?t show them full sentence.?

That, ladies and gentlemen, is the depths to which the GOP has sunk in order to smear John Kerry.

 

[Todd33]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/.../A50256-2004Aug31.html

Giuliani: "I quote John Kerry: 'I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it.' "

The context: The administration's request for the funding was controversial, even among Republicans, and various attempts were made to split off $67 billion for the troops from the $20 billion for reconstruction, or to turn the $20 billion grant into a loan, or to fund some of the spending by raising taxes on incomes greater than $312,000. Kerry voted for a different version of the bill, just as Bush had vowed to veto a version that originally passed in the Senate that would have converted half of the Iraq rebuilding plan into a loan.

This is more current and people seem to never get past it.

 

[ntdz]

KERRY: I am. Yes.

I am. Yes....

He was asked directly if he was the anti-war candidate, and he said "I am. Yes."
Big suprise he took that stance there, and now said he still would've voted for the iraq resolution
Flip Flopper...

 

[Infohawk]

The chimp used to be a raging alcoholic. Now he's just a brain-dead survivor of alcoholism.

Flip Flopper... 😉 Thanks

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: ntdz
KERRY: I am. Yes.

I am. Yes....

He was asked directly if he was the anti-war candidate, and he said "I am. Yes."
Big suprise he took that stance there, and now said he still would've voted for the iraq resolution
Flip Flopper...

Are you some kind of moron? Read the transcript. If you can't see the distinction between what he said, and what the RNC distorted in their video you have the reading comprehension of a chimpanzee.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: ntdz
KERRY: I am. Yes.

I am. Yes....

He was asked directly if he was the anti-war candidate, and he said "I am. Yes."
Big suprise he took that stance there, and now said he still would've voted for the iraq resolution
Flip Flopper...

You are sad.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: ntdz
KERRY: I am. Yes.

I am. Yes....

He was asked directly if he was the anti-war candidate, and he said "I am. Yes."
Big suprise he took that stance there, and now said he still would've voted for the iraq resolution
Flip Flopper...

Uhh...exactly what I'm talking about. Idiotic and misleading statements like that.

Again...the full answer from Kerry:

KERRY: I am. Yes. In the sense that I don?t believe the president took to us war as he should have, yes.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
The chimp used to be a raging alcoholic. Now he's just a brain-dead survivor of alcoholism.

Flip Flopper... 😉 Thanks

WTF? That't uncalled for man.

Flip flopping for the conservatives is:

Iraq may have WMDs.
Iraq definitely has WMDs.
Screw the UN. We're taking that mofo out.
Iraq may not have WMDs.
Iraq definitely does not have WMDs.
We need to get the help of the UN.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Yoo Hoo??

CsG

 

[bjc112]

And Bush's comment was not taken out of context in the Matt Lauer interview..


?
:roll:

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: bjc112
And Bush's comment was not taken out of context in the Matt Lauer interview..


?
:roll:

Nope. The constext was "can we win?", he said no. But I like his scramble the next day to declare the opposite.

 

[yankeesfan]

every side does it. I'm not saying it's right, but...

 

[yankeesfan]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: bjc112
And Bush's comment was not taken out of context in the Matt Lauer interview..


?
:roll:

Nope. The constext was "can we win?", he said no. But I like his scramble the next day to declare the opposite.

look what he says after "i'm not sure that we can win"

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bjc112
And Bush's comment was not taken out of context in the Matt Lauer interview..


?
:roll:

I thought it was. The rest of Bush's statement talked about working to eliminate the environments in countries that allow terrorism to thrive.

 

[Todd33]

dp

 

[Todd33]

But I think you can create conditions so that those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world. Let's put it that way."

And? That doesn't exactly give to much confidence, it even emboldens the enemy 😉

Listing a half dozen of the weapons programs he said Democratic nominee John Kerry voted against during his Senate tenure, Miller asked, "This is the man who wants to be the commander in chief of our U.S. Armed Forces? U.S. forces armed with what? Spitballs?" Miller asked.

Isn't it ironic that the guy speaking after Miller (pst Cheney) asked the congress to cancel the same programs as Secratary of Defense? The cold war was over and the cuts were needed to balance the budget.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: bjc112
And Bush's comment was not taken out of context in the Matt Lauer interview..


?
:roll:

I thought it was. The rest of Bush's statement talked about working to eliminate the environments in countries that allow terrorism to thrive.

Well i agree.. While Kerry bounced all over in that video.. That specific line was pulled out of context...

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Listing a half dozen of the weapons programs he said Democratic nominee John Kerry voted against during his Senate tenure, Miller asked, "This is the man who wants to be the commander in chief of our U.S. Armed Forces? U.S. forces armed with what? Spitballs?" Miller asked.

Isn't it ironic that the guy speaking after Miller (pst Cheney) asked the congress to cancel the same programs as Secratary of Defense? The cold war was over and the cuts were needed to balance the budget.

Voting to kill a program and voting against a program due to its high price tag are two different things.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Todd33

Listing a half dozen of the weapons programs he said Democratic nominee John Kerry voted against during his Senate tenure, Miller asked, "This is the man who wants to be the commander in chief of our U.S. Armed Forces? U.S. forces armed with what? Spitballs?" Miller asked.

Isn't it ironic that the guy speaking after Miller (pst Cheney) asked the congress to cancel the same programs as Secratary of Defense? The cold war was over and the cuts were needed to balance the budget.

Voting to kill a program and voting against a program due to its high price tag are two different things.

Yes, because both of them... Oh, that's right, kill the program.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Yes, because both of them... Oh, that's right, kill the program.

Your density is astounding. This administration has set the example that there is no such thing as a spending cap.

I guess this is the same reasoning behind the conservatives claim of Kerry voting against the $87 billion. He wanted a portion of the $87 to include a loan to Iraq.

But the conservatives take that vote against and claim that Kerry is against providing more armor to our troops.

:roll:

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: ntdz
KERRY: I am. Yes.

I am. Yes....

He was asked directly if he was the anti-war candidate, and he said "I am. Yes."
Big suprise he took that stance there, and now said he still would've voted for the iraq resolution
Flip Flopper...

You are sad.

Boy, you sure told her

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Todd33

Listing a half dozen of the weapons programs he said Democratic nominee John Kerry voted against during his Senate tenure, Miller asked, "This is the man who wants to be the commander in chief of our U.S. Armed Forces? U.S. forces armed with what? Spitballs?" Miller asked.

Isn't it ironic that the guy speaking after Miller (pst Cheney) asked the congress to cancel the same programs as Secratary of Defense? The cold war was over and the cuts were needed to balance the budget.

Voting to kill a program and voting against a program due to its high price tag are two different things.

Kerry voted against an omnibus spending package, same as McCain. There was never any vote on individual weapon system. Both guys then went on to vote for packages with less pork. The republicans assume the public is stupid and sadly they are.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Yes, because both of them... Oh, that's right, kill the program.

Your density is astounding. This administration has set the example that there is no such thing as a spending cap.

I guess this is the same reasoning behind the conservatives claim of Kerry voting against the $87 billion. He wanted a portion of the $87 to include a loan to Iraq.

But the conservatives take that vote against and claim that Kerry is against providing more armor to our troops.

:roll:

I didn't say anything about spending caps, did I? I just pointed out that your previous comment was flawed. 🙂

 

[Format C:]

Originally posted by: conjur

MATTHEWS: ...Are you one of the anti-war candidates?

KERRY: I am. Yes. In the sense that I don?t believe the president took to us war as he should have, yes. Absolutely.

So you're saying that what Kerry REALLY meant is No, I'm NOT. No. Absolutely. [not] "one of the anti-war candidates".

And you have the unmitigated gaul to accuse others of twisting facts and being misleading? Anybody that can read that and say Kerry was saying anything OTHER than he was an anti-war candidate sure as hell ain't guilty of twisting facts, spinning, or being misleading. They're guilty of flat out LYING!

The man was asked a direct question and answered it affirmatively FOUR times...

"I am."

"Yes."

"...yes."

"Absolutely."

The fact that he embellished his affirmation even further by asking himself, and answering, additional questions, in support of those affirmations, doesn't change one iota of his stated, stated again, stated a third time, and finally re-stated a fourth time answer in the affirmative. There ain't no way yall can be so stupid as to think that anybody else would swallow such a twisted rendering as you're now trying to put forth so the only logical conclusion one can reach is that you're desperately and hysterically trying to convince YOURSELVES.

What I can't figure is out is why? I thought one of the main reasons, if not THE reason, you all were supporting him was because he was against the war. Man, talk about twisted. You guys are against the war. Kerry says he is too. You all gleefully jump on his bandwagon and vehemently defend your anti-war position for months against anyone who supports it. Now, after its pointed out nationally that Kerry is against the war, you all cry foul, smear, dirty tricks, and offer up "supposed" evidence that he's really not against the war. So, what does that mean? Have you all changed your mind and now you support the war and since you're backing Kerry then he has to support the war too? Perhaps a good slogan for you all would be...

I actually didn't support the war, before I did.

 

[conjur]

No, Mr. Twister.

Everyone knows Kerry meant he's anti-war In the sense that he doesn?t believe the president took to us war as he should have.