RNC Avoids Issues, Focuses on Attacking Kerry...DNC Focused on Issues, Not Bush

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Analysis of words spoken at both conventions

Accompanying article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09...s/campaign/02memo.html
In politics, as in baseball, it's better to be up last, and the Republicans have spent their convention in New York this week in a batter-by-batter rebuttal of almost everything the Democrats said and did in Boston last month - a strategic twist on that old Broadway boast: "Anything You Can Do, I Can Do Better."

So the Democrats had Max Cleland and a bevy of decorated Vietnam veterans, former admirals and generals? The Republicans have John McCain, that gritty Vietnam P.O.W., and Gen. Tommy Franks, who led the American march to Baghdad.

The donkeys had a political rock star in Bill Clinton? "Hasta la vista, baby!" - the elephants have a political movie star in Arnold Schwarzenegger.

The Democrats had a young black hope in Barack Obama, their Illinois Senate nominee? The Republicans' answer is Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele, the first African-American elected to statewide office in Maryland.

John Kerry got grounded for riding his bicycle into the Soviet sector of postwar Berlin? Mr. Schwarzenegger got scared that his father or uncle might be plucked from their car in a Soviet zone in Austria.

Above all, if the Democrats had a man who wants to be president, the Republicans have the man who already is, and when George W. Bush takes the stage in Madison Square Garden tonight he is all but certain to provide his own ringing riposte to Mr. Kerry's challenge.

"Our team has been working on the convention program for a long time before the Democratic convention," said Nicolle Devenish, the Bush campaign communications director, who could not suppress a chuckle or two when a reporter called to ask about the right-back-at-you riffs. "But certainly there's always a benefit to going second, and of course we watched them intently. You always learn some lessons."

John P. Feehery, the spokesman for Representative J. Dennis Hastert, the speaker of the House, acknowledged as much. "It soaks in, what the Democrats did," he said. "And instinctively, you have a chance to respond to that now."

Some of the similarities in language were subtle, and sounded subtly barbed.

The outspoken Teresa Heinz Kerry began her remarks about her husband by declaring, "By now I hope it will come as no surprise that I have something to say." The usually reticent Laura Bush started her rationale for her husband's re-election by explaining, "As you might imagine, I have a lot to say about that."

Others tried to convey common dreams.

Mr. Obama spoke of himself as a "skinny kid with a funny name who believes that America has a place for him, too," while Mr. Schwarzenegger said, "To think that a once-scrawny boy from Austria could grow up to become governor of California and stand in Madison Square Garden to speak on behalf of the president of the United States, that is an immigrant dream."

Still other attempts produced sharp contrasts.

Vanessa and Alexandra Kerry praised their father's rescue of a drowning pet hamster with the sisterly poise of a PBS special. The Bush twins, Jenna and Barbara, younger and just out of college, razzed their old man with a splash of "Saturday Night Live," as Barbara deadpanned: "We had a hamster, too. Let's just say, ours didn't make it."

At least two of the parallel speakers had the same name, but made totally different points. Ron Reagan urged the Democrats to "cast a vote for embryonic stem cell research" that might hold hope for people with Alzheimer's and other diseases. By contrast, his brother, Michael, introduced a videotaped tribute to their father last night, declaring that his parents, including the birth mother who gave him up for adoption, "were pro-life," and added, "I've come here tonight to honor my father, not to politicize his name."

And some speakers simply reflected the real and big differences between the two tickets.

John Edwards's pledge to "lift people up," found some echo in Vice President Dick Cheney's declaration last night that, "It is the story of this country that people have been able to dream big dreams with confidence they would come true." But Mr. Cheney's grizzled, grandfatherly air of worldly experience also contrasted sharply with Mr. Edwards's fresh-faced, less-seasoned debut in the big-time.

In such a closely divided political environment, both parties steal pages from each other's past playbooks and borrow cans from each other's oratorical cupboards. Republicans love to invoke Franklin D. Roosevelt's sheltering strengths and bond with ordinary people, as Mr. Cheney did last night.

Democrats are not embarrassed about praising what they see as the best qualities of Ronald Reagan, as Mr. Kerry did last month when he seconded Ron Reagan's description of his father's faith, asserting: "I don't wear my religion on my sleeve, but faith has given me values and hope to live by, from Vietnam to this day, from Sunday to Sunday. I don't want to claim that God is on our side. As Abraham Lincoln told us, I want to pray humbly that we are on God's side."

But the specificity, and directness, of the Republicans' rejoinders this week have been both striking - and no accident.

Ms. Devenish said the Bush team had also sought to avoid what it saw as some obvious flaws in the Democrats' Boston operation, working to dole out daily surprises in the lineup and stage other events throughout the day that would keep the cable television networks supplied with fresh grist until the evening sessions started, and to make a more concerted effort to build toward the finale on Thursday with a series of more closely coordinated thematic days, like Tuesday's focus on compassion.

"The goals were different," she said. "They were seeking to convey 'strong leader' feelings about their nominee. We have a wider objective. We set out to renew the country's unity around the compassionate conservative agenda, and to pay tribute to the courage of the nation during 9/11. Each day is building a platform which the president will speak to on Thursday, laying out his vision for a second term."

One speaker offered a walking one-man contrast: Senator Zell Miller, the Georgia Democrat who delivered the keynote address at the convention that nominated Bill Clinton in Madison Square Garden 12 years ago, is now so disaffected with his party's stands on defense and other issues that he performed the same job for Mr. Bush, with flinty, folksy relish.

"They don't believe there is any real danger in the world except that which America brings upon itself through our clumsy and misguided foreign policy," he said of his fellow Democrats in remarks that seemed a kind of rejoinder to Mr. Kerry's assertion in his acceptance speech that "there is a right way and a wrong way to be strong."

There is at least one element of the Boston convention that the Republicans clearly hope not to repeat: The botched balloon drop at the finale, in which red, white and blue decorations drifted down in halting clumps instead of the cascade for which the Republicans are famous.

But Mr. Kerry's spokeswoman, Stephanie Cutter, making it clear that she was speaking in the spirit of reciprocal one-upmanship, tongue firmly in cheek, held out some hope all the same.

"If they are going to continue mimicking us, then I guess this means that George Bush is going to get up there Thursday and say, "I'm George Bush, and I'm finally reporting for duty" and then the balloons won't drop."

The RNC is blatantly politicizing the 9/11 tragedy. The sooner this administration is out of office and Karl Rove and Racicot are booted from their positions of power in the GOP, the sooner the GOP can return to its roots and become the party of Lincoln. Until then, the GOP resembles the party of Lincoln in the same way George Carlin resembles a fundamentalist Christian.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: conjur
Analysis of words spoken at both conventions

Accompanying article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09...s/campaign/02memo.html
In politics, as in baseball, it's better to be up last, and the Republicans have spent their convention in New York this week in a batter-by-batter rebuttal of almost everything the Democrats said and did in Boston last month - a strategic twist on that old Broadway boast: "Anything You Can Do, I Can Do Better."

So the Democrats had Max Cleland and a bevy of decorated Vietnam veterans, former admirals and generals? The Republicans have John McCain, that gritty Vietnam P.O.W., and Gen. Tommy Franks, who led the American march to Baghdad.

The donkeys had a political rock star in Bill Clinton? "Hasta la vista, baby!" - the elephants have a political movie star in Arnold Schwarzenegger.

The Democrats had a young black hope in Barack Obama, their Illinois Senate nominee? The Republicans' answer is Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele, the first African-American elected to statewide office in Maryland.

John Kerry got grounded for riding his bicycle into the Soviet sector of postwar Berlin? Mr. Schwarzenegger got scared that his father or uncle might be plucked from their car in a Soviet zone in Austria.

Above all, if the Democrats had a man who wants to be president, the Republicans have the man who already is, and when George W. Bush takes the stage in Madison Square Garden tonight he is all but certain to provide his own ringing riposte to Mr. Kerry's challenge.

"Our team has been working on the convention program for a long time before the Democratic convention," said Nicolle Devenish, the Bush campaign communications director, who could not suppress a chuckle or two when a reporter called to ask about the right-back-at-you riffs. "But certainly there's always a benefit to going second, and of course we watched them intently. You always learn some lessons."

John P. Feehery, the spokesman for Representative J. Dennis Hastert, the speaker of the House, acknowledged as much. "It soaks in, what the Democrats did," he said. "And instinctively, you have a chance to respond to that now."

Some of the similarities in language were subtle, and sounded subtly barbed.

The outspoken Teresa Heinz Kerry began her remarks about her husband by declaring, "By now I hope it will come as no surprise that I have something to say." The usually reticent Laura Bush started her rationale for her husband's re-election by explaining, "As you might imagine, I have a lot to say about that."

Others tried to convey common dreams.

Mr. Obama spoke of himself as a "skinny kid with a funny name who believes that America has a place for him, too," while Mr. Schwarzenegger said, "To think that a once-scrawny boy from Austria could grow up to become governor of California and stand in Madison Square Garden to speak on behalf of the president of the United States, that is an immigrant dream."

Still other attempts produced sharp contrasts.

Vanessa and Alexandra Kerry praised their father's rescue of a drowning pet hamster with the sisterly poise of a PBS special. The Bush twins, Jenna and Barbara, younger and just out of college, razzed their old man with a splash of "Saturday Night Live," as Barbara deadpanned: "We had a hamster, too. Let's just say, ours didn't make it."

At least two of the parallel speakers had the same name, but made totally different points. Ron Reagan urged the Democrats to "cast a vote for embryonic stem cell research" that might hold hope for people with Alzheimer's and other diseases. By contrast, his brother, Michael, introduced a videotaped tribute to their father last night, declaring that his parents, including the birth mother who gave him up for adoption, "were pro-life," and added, "I've come here tonight to honor my father, not to politicize his name."

And some speakers simply reflected the real and big differences between the two tickets.

John Edwards's pledge to "lift people up," found some echo in Vice President Dick Cheney's declaration last night that, "It is the story of this country that people have been able to dream big dreams with confidence they would come true." But Mr. Cheney's grizzled, grandfatherly air of worldly experience also contrasted sharply with Mr. Edwards's fresh-faced, less-seasoned debut in the big-time.

In such a closely divided political environment, both parties steal pages from each other's past playbooks and borrow cans from each other's oratorical cupboards. Republicans love to invoke Franklin D. Roosevelt's sheltering strengths and bond with ordinary people, as Mr. Cheney did last night.

Democrats are not embarrassed about praising what they see as the best qualities of Ronald Reagan, as Mr. Kerry did last month when he seconded Ron Reagan's description of his father's faith, asserting: "I don't wear my religion on my sleeve, but faith has given me values and hope to live by, from Vietnam to this day, from Sunday to Sunday. I don't want to claim that God is on our side. As Abraham Lincoln told us, I want to pray humbly that we are on God's side."

But the specificity, and directness, of the Republicans' rejoinders this week have been both striking - and no accident.

Ms. Devenish said the Bush team had also sought to avoid what it saw as some obvious flaws in the Democrats' Boston operation, working to dole out daily surprises in the lineup and stage other events throughout the day that would keep the cable television networks supplied with fresh grist until the evening sessions started, and to make a more concerted effort to build toward the finale on Thursday with a series of more closely coordinated thematic days, like Tuesday's focus on compassion.

"The goals were different," she said. "They were seeking to convey 'strong leader' feelings about their nominee. We have a wider objective. We set out to renew the country's unity around the compassionate conservative agenda, and to pay tribute to the courage of the nation during 9/11. Each day is building a platform which the president will speak to on Thursday, laying out his vision for a second term."

One speaker offered a walking one-man contrast: Senator Zell Miller, the Georgia Democrat who delivered the keynote address at the convention that nominated Bill Clinton in Madison Square Garden 12 years ago, is now so disaffected with his party's stands on defense and other issues that he performed the same job for Mr. Bush, with flinty, folksy relish.

"They don't believe there is any real danger in the world except that which America brings upon itself through our clumsy and misguided foreign policy," he said of his fellow Democrats in remarks that seemed a kind of rejoinder to Mr. Kerry's assertion in his acceptance speech that "there is a right way and a wrong way to be strong."

There is at least one element of the Boston convention that the Republicans clearly hope not to repeat: The botched balloon drop at the finale, in which red, white and blue decorations drifted down in halting clumps instead of the cascade for which the Republicans are famous.

But Mr. Kerry's spokeswoman, Stephanie Cutter, making it clear that she was speaking in the spirit of reciprocal one-upmanship, tongue firmly in cheek, held out some hope all the same.

"If they are going to continue mimicking us, then I guess this means that George Bush is going to get up there Thursday and say, "I'm George Bush, and I'm finally reporting for duty" and then the balloons won't drop."

The RNC is blatantly politicizing the 9/11 tragedy. The sooner this administration is out of office and Karl Rove and Racicot are booted from their positions of power in the GOP, the sooner the GOP can return to its roots and become the party of Lincoln. Until then, the GOP resembles the party of Lincoln in the same way George Carlin resembles a fundamentalist Christian.
It seems to be working for them.
 

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Bush lays low during DNC, Kerry blasts Bush at veterans convention during RNC.

They both suck, get over it.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: conjur
Pathetic, isn't it?
That the American Public is buying it..well yes but I also think Kerry is as much to blame by being such a weak indivdual. The Swiftboat Liars really did a number on him and instead of sacking it up and going after them he sat by the sidelines and whined foul.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: conjur
Pathetic, isn't it?
That the American Public is buying it..well yes but I also think Kerry is as much to blame by being such a weak indivdual. The Swiftboat Liars really did a number on him and instead of sacking it up and going after them he sat by the sidelines and whined foul.
Agreed. Kerry fell for a trap that he set for himself. Rove must be laughing his ass off. I blame McAuliffe, mostly. He's rather ineffectual as chairman of the DNC.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: conjur
Pathetic, isn't it?
That the American Public is buying it..well yes but I also think Kerry is as much to blame by being such a weak indivdual. The Swiftboat Liars really did a number on him and instead of sacking it up and going after them he sat by the sidelines and whined foul.
Agreed. Kerry fell for a trap that he set for himself. Rove must be laughing his ass off. I blame McAuliffe, mostly. He's rather ineffectual as chairman of the DNC.
Actually what is pathetic is the choices we have for our leader. You'd think that we would have a couple great and accomplished individuals to pick from instead of two incompetent Wankers like Kerry and the Dub.

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: conjur
Pathetic, isn't it?
That the American Public is buying it..well yes but I also think Kerry is as much to blame by being such a weak indivdual. The Swiftboat Liars really did a number on him and instead of sacking it up and going after them he sat by the sidelines and whined foul.
Agreed. Kerry fell for a trap that he set for himself. Rove must be laughing his ass off. I blame McAuliffe, mostly. He's rather ineffectual as chairman of the DNC.
Actually what is pathetic is the choices we have for our leader. You'd think that we would have a couple great and accomplished individuals to pick from instead of two incompetent Wankers like Kerry and the Dub.
Prepare yourself for 2008, then. I think we'll see a return to centrist ideals. But, only if the GOP can wrest control back from the neocons and the Christian Right. Giulani will probably be the top GOP candidate in 2008, my guess.
 

phillyTIM

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Forget about any foreign terrorists dropping the bomb in NYC right now...I think there are plenty of Americans that want to do it.

Take-the-law-into-their-own-hands Americans are what the military/police forces are protecting Madison Square Garden from right now!
 

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: conjur
Pathetic, isn't it?
That the American Public is buying it..well yes but I also think Kerry is as much to blame by being such a weak indivdual. The Swiftboat Liars really did a number on him and instead of sacking it up and going after them he sat by the sidelines and whined foul.
Agreed. Kerry fell for a trap that he set for himself. Rove must be laughing his ass off. I blame McAuliffe, mostly. He's rather ineffectual as chairman of the DNC.
Actually what is pathetic is the choices we have for our leader. You'd think that we would have a couple great and accomplished individuals to pick from instead of two incompetent Wankers like Kerry and the Dub.
Prepare yourself for 2008, then. I think we'll see a return to centrist ideals. But, only if the GOP can wrest control back from the neocons and the Christian Right. Giulani will probably be the top GOP candidate in 2008, my guess.

There's some chatter in albany about Pataki also running for president (and resigning in 2006 rather than facing the much more popular Schumer, or Spitzer). His heart's in the right place (for a republican), but he doesn't have near the superstar status of Giulani. It could be a very interesting primary.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Forget about any foreign terrorists dropping the bomb in NYC right now...I think there are plenty of Americans that want to do it.

Take-the-law-into-their-own-hands Americans are what the military/police forces are protecting Madison Square Garden from right now!


Sounds like the war on terror is becoming an excuse to turn our country into a police state.

Emperor Palpatine anyone?
 

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Giuliani won't win the nomination. If anything, from what I've been hearing, the Republican party has no intentions of moving towards the center on social issues. It seems as if they are going way right these days on social issues.
 

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Swift boat vets arent lying. Kerry was questionable and generally a failure as a soldier and he would be no better as a president.

And for the record, the Dumocrats ARE "planning" a revolt. What they fail to realize is there the very ones who have pushed gun control / gun bans for the past 20 years, and now the only thing they have left to use on a march to Capitol Hill is their patcholi sticks.


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Which is massively funny in my eyes. They finally realize (maybe, but doubtful) why the American public MUST be armed. Of course, as usual with Dumbocrats their all talk and no show. Bush will get re-elected and they'll go back to getting high.
And if they do take to the streets? Well, I'll stand strong beside my own, and by God I can assure you the patcholi stick is no match for high power combat rifles.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Shockwave
Swift boat vets arent [sic] lying.
Yes, they are. Check out the sticky thread above for the proof of their lies.

Kerry was questionable and generally a failure as a soldier and he would be no better as a president.
Says who? You? :confused:

And for the record, the Dumocrats ARE "planning" a revolt. What they fail to realize is there [sic] the very ones who have pushed gun control / gun bans for the past 20 years, and now the only thing they have left to use on a march to Capitol Hill is their patcholi sticks.
Completely useless sentence.


Anyone who posts at DU is a bloody moron. Anyone who puts any credence in anything posted at DU is even worse.

Which is massively funny in my eyes. They finally realize (maybe, but doubtful) why the American public MUST be armed. Of course, as usual with Dumbocrats their [sic] all talk and no show. Bush will get re-elected and they'll go back to getting high.
And if they do take to the streets? Well, I'll stand strong beside my own, and by God I can assure you the patcholi stick is no match for high power combat rifles.
And, again, this has what to do with this thread?

But, nice of you to drop in with your pathetically lame insults.
 

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Originally posted by: Shockwave
Swift boat vets arent lying. Kerry was questionable and generally a failure as a soldier and he would be no better as a president.

And for the record, the Dumocrats ARE "planning" a revolt. What they fail to realize is there the very ones who have pushed gun control / gun bans for the past 20 years, and now the only thing they have left to use on a march to Capitol Hill is their patcholi sticks.


Text

Which is massively funny in my eyes. They finally realize (maybe, but doubtful) why the American public MUST be armed. Of course, as usual with Dumbocrats their all talk and no show. Bush will get re-elected and they'll go back to getting high.
And if they do take to the streets? Well, I'll stand strong beside my own, and by God I can assure you the patcholi stick is no match for high power combat rifles.



So are you Looking Forward to Kill your fellow americans and Play SOF? just wondering..... why are you so angry and hateful toward these "Drugged up Dumbocrats". do they scare you? I mean are you really Scared of 23 (origional poster and 22 replies) individuals on a random website?
 

maluckey

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I watched the DNC, and RNC, and neither had much to say.

The Democrats were trying to show their difference from the Republicans (why?). If their own party can't tell the difference then they are in trouble. Kerry also insinuated America would be safer if Europe had more say in American government. Not good to say....

The Republicans were going on about leadership and family values, when they weren't slamming their foes. Nice dichotomy....no middle?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Shockwave
Swift boat vets arent lying. Kerry was questionable and generally a failure as a soldier and he would be no better as a president.

And for the record, the Dumocrats ARE "planning" a revolt. What they fail to realize is there the very ones who have pushed gun control / gun bans for the past 20 years, and now the only thing they have left to use on a march to Capitol Hill is their patcholi sticks.


Text

Which is massively funny in my eyes. They finally realize (maybe, but doubtful) why the American public MUST be armed. Of course, as usual with Dumbocrats their all talk and no show. Bush will get re-elected and they'll go back to getting high.
And if they do take to the streets? Well, I'll stand strong beside my own, and by God I can assure you the patcholi stick is no match for high power combat rifles.
Get beat down a lot as a child?
 

cmdavid

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its a little misleading considering that chart only refers to the time that they referred to the President by name, and ignore the countless times that they referred to him as "the President"...
but its the NYTimes.. so im not surprised...
 

Shockwave

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Originally posted by: smashp
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Swift boat vets arent lying. Kerry was questionable and generally a failure as a soldier and he would be no better as a president.

And for the record, the Dumocrats ARE "planning" a revolt. What they fail to realize is there the very ones who have pushed gun control / gun bans for the past 20 years, and now the only thing they have left to use on a march to Capitol Hill is their patcholi sticks.


Text

Which is massively funny in my eyes. They finally realize (maybe, but doubtful) why the American public MUST be armed. Of course, as usual with Dumbocrats their all talk and no show. Bush will get re-elected and they'll go back to getting high.
And if they do take to the streets? Well, I'll stand strong beside my own, and by God I can assure you the patcholi stick is no match for high power combat rifles.

Compare the number of Republican protestoers arrested vs the number of Democrat protestors arrested.
Gee, considering the Democrats are known as a "peaceful" group they sure start a ruckus dont they?

So are you Looking Forward to Kill your fellow americans and Play SOF? just wondering..... why are you so angry and hateful toward these "Drugged up Dumbocrats". do they scare you? I mean are you really Scared of 23 (origional poster and 22 replies) individuals on a random website?

 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: conjur

Prepare yourself for 2008, then. I think we'll see a return to centrist ideals. But, only if the GOP can wrest control back from the neocons and the Christian Right. Giulani will probably be the top GOP candidate in 2008, my guess.
It's too bad you're too busy throwing around stereotypes to think about what you're saying.
Originally posted by: conjur
Anyone who posts at DU is a bloody moron. Anyone who puts any credence in anything posted at DU is even worse.
I could say the same thing about the NY Times with respect to political articles, yet here you are posting one. A source that doesn't particularly agree with your ideals can still have factual information. The stats you posted are interesting, but a footnote - nothing more.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: conjur

Prepare yourself for 2008, then. I think we'll see a return to centrist ideals. But, only if the GOP can wrest control back from the neocons and the Christian Right. Giulani will probably be the top GOP candidate in 2008, my guess.
It's too bad you're too busy throwing around stereotypes to think about what you're saying.
It's too bad you're posting non-sensical messages.

Originally posted by: conjur
Anyone who posts at DU is a bloody moron. Anyone who puts any credence in anything posted at DU is even worse.
I could say the same thing about the NY Times with respect to political articles, yet here you are posting one. A source that doesn't particularly agree with your ideals can still have factual information. The stats you posted are interesting, but a footnote - nothing more.
Uh, no.

The NY Times is a quite-respected source of news.

DU is filled with internet kiddies and punks with atrocious spelling and bad manners. ;)
 

Shockwave

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Hot damn this is why I love politics!! Nothing can bring out a mans opinion faster, because politics is by and large nothing but opinions. Good stuff, good stuff indeed.

Well, regardless of who does what or who is misrepresenting their past or what have you, one thing is for sure. The day of reckoning ias coming, and soon enough we'll see who the people feel should lead them.

On a side note, I dont want to shoot anyone. But on some strange, perverted level, the idea of popping a hippie who shouts peace and throws rocks and burns signs.... Well, it kinda appeals to me in a funny way......
 

EagleKeeper

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The campaining will not be about positive issues.

Everything will be to show that the opponent is worse than your candidate, not that your candiate is better than the opponent.

Mud slinging and slander.

Not that who can do a better job, but rather who will be the worse.
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: Shockwave
Hot damn this is why I love politics!! Nothing can bring out a mans opinion faster, because politics is by and large nothing but opinions. Good stuff, good stuff indeed.

Well, regardless of who does what or who is misrepresenting their past or what have you, one thing is for sure. The day of reckoning ias coming, and soon enough we'll see who the people feel should lead them.

On a side note, I dont want to shoot anyone. But on some strange, perverted level, the idea of popping a hippie who shouts peace and throws rocks and burns signs.... Well, it kinda appeals to me in a funny way......

I have a strange perversion too. I sometimes imagine taking a facist neocon and crushing there head until it pops like a zit. Oh btw, I could probably do it too. :laugh: Of course, this is unproven. Hot Pocket anybody?