ripped off?. AMD is running too hot

[ethebubbeth]

actually, the p4 runs about as hot as an equivalent athlon xp nowadays. It's a common misconception that p4's run cool and athlons are hotter than the sun. The only difference is that p4's idle a bit cooler but they are the same once the load increases.

 

[Lyfer]

You prolly put on too much thermal grease which is isn't good. All you need is a "paper thin" layer, and thats really thin. Try removing excess grease off, that should help.

 

[MDE]

Originally posted by: Lyfer
You prolly put on too much thermal grease which is isn't good. All you need is a "paper thin" layer, and thats really thin. Try removing excess grease off, that should help.

He's using the stock HSF and thermal pad.

 

[Friendly]

ok thanks people. Lots of replys to and info to sort through.
I appreciate all your replys.
Conclusion. It really sounds like 63 degrees is ok, although a little higher than normal it wont do any harm. If thats the case then maybe I should just leave it alone.
I was getting lots of crashes but after reading the replys I have put it down to the O\s

I had actually installed the fan wrong from the start but is installed properly now and from what I have read if I had of installed the fans power connection the wrong way, (which would be hard to do) it wouldnt run. So ok too.
May decide to install one of the fans talked about in the replys later.
Like they say if it aint broken, dont fix it.

thanks guys really appreciated.

 

[Friendly]

installed the fan wrong. hmmmmm should have checked before I posted. What i meant was I hadnt seated the heat sink correctly 1st time round. It was actually running at 85 derees until I picked it up.
Now runs at 63 degrees with heat sink in place properly. Will go back and check system temp to make sure that is under 45 degrees .
thanks every one.

 

[MournSanity]

It shouldn't run 63 degrees unless...

1. The motherboard is reading the temps wrong
2. You have a very crappy heatsink/fan
3. You fudged something up in the installation process
4. You live in a desert

I would totally take everything apart and star from scratch, but take out the thermal pad and replace it with thermal grease(Arctic Silver III or whatever). But that's just me

 

[aka1nas]

Also keep in mind that if your mobo is reading the temp from the thermistor instead of the CPU's thermal diode it will no doubt be very high. Most of my athlon systems read high like that.(My server idles at 60C according to mobo monitor). Definately use arctic silver paste and make sure the heatsick seats right. Do you have a rear exhaust fan installed in the case?

Athlons still do run hotter than P4s as their surface area is still much smaller than current Northwoods. The P4s merely have a greater power draw, hence more total heat exhausted due to resistance. The first thouroghbreds actually ran hotter than then-current palaminoes due to this smaller die size. What does this mean? The heatsink is more important as you want to get that heat away from the die fast.

Good luck with your system and welcome to the AT forums.

 

[Suikakujyu]

if i recall correctly, amd says cpu temp under 70 is safe

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Tabb
Anything over 50c is deadly for a proc.

No.

 

[Friendly]

ok will take advice and use thermal grease and replace the fan, heat sink , with some thing better.
I have no system fan.
System temp is running at 32 degrees. So I dont need a system fan do I?
Also what is thermistor, thermal diode? How can I tell where temp is taken from. (just for learning purposes)
Hmmmmmm will look it up.
thanks again guys.
I love this site.

 

[Mem]

Arctic Ceramique from here is excellent thermal paste and 100% non electrically conductive ,the instruction guide here is very good .

Another welcome to AT , Friendly.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Suikakujyu
if i recall correctly, amd says cpu temp under 70 is safe

yup.

he needs to be far more descriptive when asking a quesiton though. describe and name all components that matter. whats the case?

 

[Schadenfroh]

thats not hot, mine was running a 65C idle

 

[jacktesterson]

got mine running at 39 to 43.....but thats with nice HSF..Stock HSF should be in high 40's to mid 50's on a 2500+ from experience.

I would get an experienced computer guy to look at it for you.

 

[aka1nas]

I'd get an 80mm exhuast fan on that case pronto. That should drop your temps by a few degrees. You can't trust that system temp too much because the sensor for it must not be close to the processor if it's that much lower.

The difference between the thermistor and the thermal diode is that the thermistor is a little temp sensor on the motherboard that tries to read the temperature.(It's usually in the little depression in the middle of your CPU socket). The thermal diode inside the processor is more accurate as it actually gives a reading of the cpu's internal temperature. I couldn't tell you off-hand which your board queries to get the temperature. None of my boards are new enough to use the thermal diode.

 

[dexvx]

All this talking about heat and NO ONE asks what CASE this is in?

If its in an old ATX case, then it is clearly not designed to move as much air.

 

[MournSanity]

NO SYSTEM FAN???!!!! :Q :Q :Q

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: Tabb
Anything over 50c is deadly for a proc.

No.

You feel safe running over 50c?

 

[Finnkc]

lol ... my temp alarm is set to 45 deg C (113 deg F) on an 2400xp ... If I ever was runnin at 63 I would be doing some case mods. right now I have about 4 case fans and a TT Volc. 11 CPU Fan ...

with a stock block CPU fan and atleast 1 case exaust fan I would thing maybe like mid to high 50s. Sounds like you got seating problem with the heat sink.

 

[Boogak]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: Tabb
Anything over 50c is deadly for a proc.

No.

You feel safe running over 50c?

While 50C is warm, it's not "deadly". My old Tbird 1400mhz was running SETI 24x7 in the high 50s for a year w/o a problem. My current processors all run over 50C at load, no problems either. So saying it'll make your processor die is false.

 

[brigden]

Originally posted by: Tabb
Anything over 50c is deadly for a proc and a 250000+ doesnt exsist.

You're an idiot.

50c is normal for an Athlon CPU, and besides, we don't know fully all of the factors influencing the temperature. You're a perfect example of someone swept up in the obsessive enthusiast niche. You people are so off on what temps are good for a non-overclocked CPU.

 

[charlie21]

My parents' Athlon 1.33 runs in the high 60's at load. That's normal for that processor and well within spec. As long as the system is stable and you're not pushing 80-90 C, which is the max temp for an Athlon (varies by model), don't worry about it.

 

[WobbleWobble]

Originally posted by: charlie21
My parents' Athlon 1.33 runs in the high 60's at load. That's normal for that processor and well within spec. As long as the system is stable and you're not pushing 80-90 C, which is the max temp for an Athlon (varies by model), don't worry about it.

Agreed. And yes, I do feel safe running over 50C.

 

[0roo0roo]

50's normal. my tbred a 2000+ runs 50's stock speed. my tbred b 1800+ runs 44c~ @ 2.3ghz. it runs 50c at 2.4ghz though. running low speed cpu fan though, but its on a slk cooler

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: Tabb
Anything over 50c is deadly for a proc.

No.

You feel safe running over 50c?

If I didn't feel "safe", I'd have quit using SocketA cpu's years ago. My Socket A History:

1) Duron 650 tray--generic HS/Fan, 60c+ at all times, up to 69c on hot summer days. Ran 24/7 100% cpu util(SETI/UD). Bought it when Athlon/Duron just started out on SocketA. Had it over 1 year, it's still working fine last I heard. (gave it away) It's whole time with me, it was overclocked from 650-->750

2) TBird 1.2ghz Retail--60c+ all times. Replaced HS/Fan with Volcano 7, temps dropped 10c, but were still over 50c. Ran 24/7 100% cpu util(SETI/UD). Had it for about 1 year, a friend offered to buy it, so I sold it. 6 months later the friend crunched it while installing a water cooling setup.

3) 1700+ XP Palamino Retail---Volcano 7, all temps over 50c, 24/7 100% cpu util(SETI/UD). Used it for about 18 months mostly at Default speed, the last 6ish months it was overclocked to 1900+ levels. It's not being used right now, but the plans are to put it to work as a file server.

4) 2800+ Barton Retail---Retail HS/Fan. 60cish, up to 66c at times, 24/7 100% cpu util(SETI). Had it since mid-May, default speed. It's at 60c as I type, but at night it gets as cool as 57c.

Out of all 4 of these cpus, I've never had a heat related crash. Used 3 different motherboards(Asus A7V/VIA KT133, MSI K7 Master/AMD 761, MSI K7N2-L/NForce 2), out of those my K7 Master died after 18 months, but the A7V still works to this day, the K7N2-L I am using right now.

All that said, it should be noted that the A7V and K7 Master used socket thermistors and not onchip thermistor, which are known to be inaccurate and vary from motherboard model/manufacturer as to accuracy.