Riots expected after acquittal: Michael Brown

[bononos]

Incorrect. The grand jury must find that the preponderance of the evidence points to Wilson having committed a crime. That is a higher standard than probable cause.

Is that right?. Preponderance of evidence is 3 levels higher than probable cause (for indictment).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof

 

[brianmanahan]

Why did the cop pull his gun in the first place for a jaywalking incident?

to get to the other side?

 

[highland145]

Why did the cop pull his gun in the first place for a jaywalking incident?

Might have been after he got the crap kicked out of him....but I could be wrong.

Doubtful but maybe.

 

[LegendKiller]

Why did the cop pull his gun in the first place for a jaywalking incident?

We already know why. Brown reaches into the car, scuffles with the cop, tries to grab for the gun, gets shot, moves away, then thinks that since he took the cop once he can do it again.

Why was Brown such a fucking punk? Because he was. Lets keep in mind that he robbed a store, assaulted a worker, while on drugs, and then thought he could take a cop. This is *NOT* a "gentle giant".

It's just like how the Trayvon narrative was switched by his parent's PR guy. The initial picture was older Trayvon, then suddenly the young picture got distributed everywhere. Then the lawyer went on a tear about racism, then tried to blame the defense saying they were the ones who brought it up first (they weren't, he was). Meanwhile *EVERYBODY* ignores the fact that his innocent "kid" was a fighter, thief and maybe even a druggie. He was the racist AND he was the fighter. He even told his friend (and the prosecutions star witness) that he was going to go back out.

All of this was conveniently ignored. Why?

 

[cubby1223]

Why did the cop pull his gun in the first place for a jaywalking incident?

You're making the assumption the gun was drawn because of jaywalking.

Stop making ASSumptions.

 

[dawp]

it's not an acquittal as he hasn't been charged.

 

[Blanky]

They should riot if the Grand Jury acquits. It tells them what they have suspected all along, that their police are above the laws, and that protesting is not going to change that.

The Grand Jury is not a criminal trial, it is just a formal hearing to see if there is reason to bring charges against the accused. There are 6 eye witness accounts that claim he killed that kid in cold blood, even if a criminal trial finds that they are mistaken, or that their was unusual circumstances that lead to an acquittal, all a Grand Jury needs is probably cause, the same level of suspicion that the cop needed to stop Brown in the first place. There is undoubtedly enough for probably cause. The very fact that the Grand Jury has taken so long to see all the evidence tells us so.

This extended Grand Jury session has been a ploy to allow tensions to die down so they can sweep it under the rug, except tensions haven't died down and now they just going to sweep it under the rug anyway.

I agree with this despite my belief based on what I've learned so far that Brown had it coming to him when he, it appears, assaulted a cop.

But like you say, grand jury is not there to convict. They are under a far lesser bar of possible conviction than an actual criminal trial and, despite my belief that many of the eye witnesses are stupid/lying (this applies to most eye witnesses, but these in particular are contradicting each other), the fact is a number of people--telling the truth or not--said that Brown was shot while trying to surrender, and in light of that and lack of video defense for Wilson, etc. the grand jury really ought to say a trial can proceed.

I couldn't give any less of a shit of saying it should proceed to assuage anger. The justice system must never be motivated by the possibility of rioting, but without that consideration it still seems reasonable to put it to trial.

I don't know how these juries work, though, and given the huge interest in seeing a criminal trial, I would think that short of some nasty conspiracy, if they say this doesn't need to go to trial it probably doesn't.

From what we have heard, several witnesses WHO DID NOT IDENTIFY THEMSELVES. Have pretty much corroborated Wilson's story.

If this is indeed the case then letting him off shouldn't be too surprising.

 

[BUTCH1]

I agree with this despite my belief based on what I've learned so far that Brown had it coming to him when he, it appears, assaulted a cop.

But like you say, grand jury is not there to convict. They are under a far lesser bar of possible conviction than an actual criminal trial and, despite my belief that many of the eye witnesses are stupid/lying (this applies to most eye witnesses, but these in particular are contradicting each other), the fact is a number of people--telling the truth or not--said that Brown was shot while trying to surrender, and in light of that and lack of video defense for Wilson, etc. the grand jury really ought to say a trial can proceed.

I couldn't give any less of a shit of saying it should proceed to assuage anger. The justice system must never be motivated by the possibility of rioting, but without that consideration it still seems reasonable to put it to trial.

I don't know how these juries work, though, and given the huge interest in seeing a criminal trial, I would think that short of some nasty conspiracy, if they say this doesn't need to go to trial it probably doesn't.If this is indeed the case then letting him off shouldn't be too surprising.

Since we have "eyewitness" accounts that vary wildly the PD should ask anyone who gave a statement to do so under voice stress analysis so they could get a better idea of who's telling the truth and who's lying their ass off.

 

[LegendKiller]

Since we have "eyewitness" accounts that vary wildly the PD should ask anyone who gave a statement to do so under voice stress analysis so they could get a better idea of who's telling the truth and who's lying their ass off.

They probably have either done that or figured out other ways to tell and shoot down those witnesses. Dorian Johnson and Piaget were two on the forefront of the massive liars willing to parrot a narrative so they could excuse crappy behavior and inflame race tension.

 

[Blanky]

I think it safe to draw one of two conclusions IF the grand jury says he's free to go:

1) They are corrupt and/or patently incompetent
2) The eye witnesses were not simply bad eye witnesses (again, as most eye witnesses are, and as proven by studies) but willfully negligent in their relaying of events, to such a degree that their accounts were discarded as trash

 

[highland145]

I think it safe to draw two conclusions IF the grand jury says he's free to go:

1) They are corrupt and/or patently incompetent
2) The eye witnesses were not simply bad eye witnesses (again, as most eye witnesses are, and as proven by studies) but willfully negligent in their relaying of events, to such a degree that their accounts were discarded as trash

QFI

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I think it safe to draw two conclusions IF the grand jury says he's free to go:

1) They are corrupt and/or patently incompetent
2) The eye witnesses were not simply bad eye witnesses (again, as most eye witnesses are, and as proven by studies) but willfully negligent in their relaying of events, to such a degree that their accounts were discarded as trash

Or the science points to that being the correct conclusion. Will you disregard that since you've already apparently convicted without a tiny fraction of the evidence the grand jury has access to?

 

[Blanky]

QFI

Oops. I meant draw one of two conclusions; not both of them, heh

 

[Sephire]

We will be ready:

No Koreans at Ferguson.

 

[Reasonable Doubt]

We already know why. Brown reaches into the car, scuffles with the cop, tries to grab for the gun, gets shot, moves away, then thinks that since he took the cop once he can do it again.

You talk like you are an eye witness.
Let's hear from someone who was actually there up close and in person!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RZJhoyEtAY#t=42


All of this was conveniently ignored by you. Why?

Two Construction Workers
Two (white) construction workers were on Canfield Drive working on a project when Wilson shot and killed Brown. Their immediate reactions to the shooting were recorded on video, and they have since spoken anonymously to the media. They are afraid of losing their jobs or being targeted if their identities are released.

• One of the construction workers gave an interview to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch on the proviso that he not be named.
http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/cr...cle_14a3e5f8-6c6a-5deb-92fe-87fcee622c29.html

 

[DrPizza]

Blood on the ground is evidence. If all the blood is confined to a small area, then he was standing still. If all the blood is on the ground spread out over 25-30 feet, and the drop patterns indicate Brown was moving toward Wilson, and you have a recording of the shots (was it determined that the audio was real?) - with the last shot being to the top of the head at 4 feet while Brown was going toward Wilson, then the physical evidence clearly indicates the speed at which Brown was going toward Wilson.

Imho, if he had fought Wilson at the car and attempted to get the gun, and was shot at the car (at which point, blood drops will provide a wonderful witness as to his following actions), then I don't care if his hands were up - if he was approaching Wilson, then he got what he deserved.

And, remember, he was shot how many times - and managed to close the distance to 4 feet??? (per a witness quoted in the story above) Had Wilson waited until he closed half the distance before shooting, then Brown would have been able to engage him again (and with fewer wounds).

Thus, there could be plenty of evidence that Wilson was within his right to legally shoot. The prosecutor's choices were: railroad Wilson, state right off the bat that there isn't any legitimate evidence that he committed a crime, or release it ALL to the jury who would have the opportunity to determine whose testimony was complete rubbish, and whose testimony was valid, based on the physical evidence.

 

[Brian Stirling]

Sh1ts about to get real...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/18/us/ferguson-hotel-employee/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


I don't think Ferguson is the only place about to explode...


Brian

 

[Raizinman]

Sh1ts about to get real...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/18/us/ferguson-hotel-employee/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


I don't think Ferguson is the only place about to explode...


Brian

If I was staying at a hotel, I would not want an employee going around taking pictures of my car in the parking lot either and would expect if someone did, that they should be fired.

This guy got what he deserved. Being former military, he obviously knew these were Homeland Security vehicles and what they were being stored there for. I'm glad they fired his ass. I would not call him a terrorist, but a media hog sounds better.

 

[shortylickens]

I wish they wouldnt do anything. Just let the city fuck itself up.

Then we can point and laugh about how ridiculous Ferguson's people truly are.

 

[SP33Demon]

Will the action be on Live Leak?

I'd personally like to see bum fights make a comeback with Bum Fights: The Ferguson Edition.

 

[moonbogg]

I wish they wouldnt do anything. Just let the city fuck itself up.

Then we can point and laugh about how ridiculous Ferguson's people truly are.

Or, just fill the city with these. It'll all work out. Also, the machines are only designed to attack when defending themselves, so these Ferges shouldn't have anything to worry about.

 

[norseamd]

LOL

Who they going to find to break some more ankle with some crescent wrenches.

 

[Ns1]

When we returned to the pad to unload everything
It dawned on me that I need new home furnishings
So once again we filled the van until it was full
Since that day my livin' room's been much more comfortable
'Cause everybody in the hood has had it up to here
It's getting harder, and harder, and harder each and every year
Some kids went in a store with their mother
I saw her when she came out she was gettin' some Pampers
They said it was for the black man
They said it was for the Mexican
And not for the white man
But if you look at the streets, it wasn't about Rodney King
In this fucked-up situation and these fucked-up police
It's about comin' up and stayin' on top
And screamin' 1-8-7 on a mother fuckin' cop
It's not in the paper, it's on the wall
National guard
Smoke from all around

yep, april 23 1993 redux.

 

[JM Aggie08]

It does not affect my life, therefor I couldn't give less of a dusty fuck.

 

[CZroe]

It does not affect my life, therefor I couldn't give less of a dusty fuck.

Are you sure? The Rodney King verdict caused riots in multiple cities, including Los Angeles and Atlanta. I am near enough to Atlanta that I am very concerned. This is exactly what people are worried about.