Riots at Penn State

[LTC8K6]

Meh, sucks but same shit different day. Few weeks ago that kid was hit by a car in China and sat in the street for however long before anyone helped. Every day in urban America the 'no snitchin' state of mind results in crimes committed in broad daylight having no witnesses. If a person who is bleeding to death says "I don't want your help" and you touch them, you're legally at risk even if you save their life.

We live in a pretty fucked up place. People want to cover their ass, and it's hard to blame them sometimes.

To me, I can't really blame Paterno for his actions. Everyone could have done better, but put yourself in his shoes. Some college kid you probably hardly know tells you one of your oldest friends and colleagues (presuming here) was seen raping a child. How do you react? If it's me, I think "There's no way. That's ridiculous. I've known him for X years and he would never do such a thing." But he's convinced he saw what he saw and clearly upset, so what do you do? Going straight to the police is going to create a mass of negative press for everyone involved and be a nightmare, and the only evidence that you (Paterno) have to go on is the word of some kid. I don't think he acted unreasonably.

Everyone's making this out to be so black and white, but unless you're one of the guys who allegedly saw it happening, I don't think there's any easy answer. If you see it going down, I think you're absolutely obligated to step in. But when all Paterno has to go on is essentially a "he said she said", there's only so much stock you can put in that.

This was the second time Sandusky was reported to have behaved improperly with a child. So the idea you put forth above, which I bolded, can't be the case. Sandusky had earlier admitted to "showering" with a child and there was an investigation.

Paterno would not have thought Sandusky wouldn't do that.

On the contrary, Paterno knew that Sandusky was likely to have done just what was reported.

 

[DougK62]

How is it that the guy who actually SAW the rape happening is still coaching? Jesus, how can he even live with himself after he failed in helping that child and then didn't even call the police? He just walked away while Sandusky continued to pound the boy? Unbelievable.

 

[TheVrolok]

So JoePa has no sway over who gets access to those facilities? The man who's bigger than the University really doesn't have that kind of influence? This "outstanding person" simply left the decision regarding the molestation of a kid to a couple of bureaucrats? You can't have it both ways. JoePa was either an outdated figurehead for the school or he's the man bigger than the President of PSU, this moral icon, or however else his fervent followers describe him.

You're in complete denial buddy.

Sure he has sway, but not when it came to Sandusky accessing the facilities. As part of his retirement package he was, by contract, afforded full access to the athletic facilities. Joe can't just say, "No, I declare you're contract invalid." It would need to be done by administration after an investigation, which OBVIOUSLY should have been done, and wasn't. This isn't Joe's fault, it's the fault of the worthless administrators.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Joe is still at fault, he knew about the incident and didn't do much about it. You don't just report it upwards and brush it off as if you're finished. You push the administrators to go to the police, if they don't act fast enough, you go even higher like the president of the university, and if that isn't enough, you go to the press. People need to be held accountable, to say Joe isn't at fault is horrid.

 

[Krazy4Real]

How is it that the guy who actually SAW the rape happening is still coaching? Jesus, how can he even live with himself after he failed in helping that child and then didn't even call the police? He just walked away while Sandusky continued to pound the boy? Unbelievable.

This is what is most disturbing to me. WTF is wrong with him?

 

[LTC8K6]

How is it that the guy who actually SAW the rape happening is still coaching? Jesus, how can he even live with himself after he failed in helping that child and then didn't even call the police? He just walked away while Sandusky continued to pound the boy? Unbelievable.

My guess is that McQeary is now a state's witness, and PSU cannot do anything to him.

 

[Kaekae]

America, sweet America.....

 

[TheVrolok]

My guess is that McQeary is now a state's witness, and PSU cannot do anything to him.

Yeah, I believe he's now a protected witness.

 

[SP33Demon]

Yeah, I believe he's now a protected witness.

What does that have to do with the fact PSU should fire him b/c he's a moron?

 

[bignateyk]

What does that have to do with the fact PSU should fire him b/c he's a moron?

He could be considered a whistle blower and PSU is powerless to fire him. Beats me. Either way though, he should have the decency to resign on his own.

 

[TecHNooB]

America, sweet America.....

we have it pretty good here, actually. at least we're allowed to feel outraged.

 

[SP33Demon]

He could be considered a whistle blower and PSU is powerless to fire him. Beats me. Either way though, he should have the decency to resign on his own.

So state witness are immune from being fired? I don't see how they (Board of Trustees for PSU) can be taken seriously by allowing McQuery to coach Saturday.

 

[TheVrolok]

So state witness are immune from being fired? I don't see how they (Board of Trustees for PSU) can be taken seriously by allowing McQuery to coach Saturday.

Yes, they can be.

 

[zinfamous]

Yes, they can be.

I imagine if he falls under whistleblower clause, then PSU can't touch him.

and, I'm going to start playing Devil's Advocate and argue along with Boomer D--we very likely don't know everything going on here, and despite the clear fact that McQueary and JoePa appear very much culpable in this coverup, it seems probably that they both have much more info that could be far more damning on so many levels, and with so many organizations.

It seems the only logical assumption with the oddity with how McQuery is being handled. How strange would it be if it is revealed that McQueary, in fact, did far more than is currently revealed to try and deal with this situation, but it is all a part of the massive cover-up, and he ends up being the lone righteous individual in all of this?

also probable that he is as dirty as it seems, and he's simply talking on agreement.

I wonder how deep into State College this goes--is this going to infect the PD as well?

 

[SP33Demon]

I imagine if he falls under whistleblower clause, then PSU can't touch him.

and, I'm going to start playing Devil's Advocate and argue along with Boomer D--we very likely don't know everything going on here, and despite the clear fact that McQueary and JoePa appear very much culpable in this coverup, it seems probably that they both have much more info that could be far more damning on so many levels, and with so many organizations.

It seems the only logical assumption with the oddity with how McQuery is being handled. How strange would it be if it is revealed that McQueary, in fact, did far more than is currently revealed to try and deal with this situation, but it is all a part of the massive cover-up, and he ends up being the lone righteous individual in all of this?

also probable that he is as dirty as it seems, and he's simply talking on agreement.

I wonder how deep into State College this goes--is this going to infect the PD as well?

You could be right about that.

Matt Millen is calling for McQueary to step down and says he has a lot to explain, especially to that boy when he left him in the company of his molester.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7215828&categoryid=2378529

 

[Miramonti]

McQuery has a story and at some point we'll hear it. Not suggesting it will be worthy of vindication but I'm going to reserve judgment until I hear it.

However under no circumstances should he be coaching this weekend imo, even if he's still a staffer.

 

[alien42]

since the 'riots' are over should the two PSU threads be merged?

 

[edro]

since the 'riots' are over should the two PSU threads be merged?

And the P&N thread too.

 

[evident]

i'm so glad I didn't go to this school.

all my friends who went to PSU are still defending joe pa and the program on facebook with "so what he's an awesome coach" BS.

college football is so fucked up, how can it blind people this bad. people who went here are drunk off the joepa kool aid, like a personality cult or some shit.

 

[zinfamous]

McQuery has a story and at some point we'll hear it. Not suggesting it will be worthy of vindication but I'm going to reserve judgment until I hear it.

However under no circumstances should he be coaching this weekend imo, even if he's still a staffer.

I agree with that. It looks like it's under his own conviction that such a decision is made. Though...if he somehow is vindicated by all of this, it could be that he ends up being the only one capable of leading this organization, in whatever state it exists after all of the investigations.

If this goes beyond the University, then I don't see how PSU, and the town, can legitimately support the notion of having a football program for the next several years.

I was trying to find some budgetary information yesterday regarding the University, but it seems they have a long standing history of being very tight-lipped about contracts, salaries, and all expenditures related to football; unlike all other NCAA institutions. This cult of secrecy and cronyism seems quite pervasive

dang, can't google any of the articles that I found yesterday?

Oh, here's one:
http://thesportseconomist.com/

Here is something that talks about the University Budget and funding:
http://onwardstate.com/2011/04/12/cracking-the-budget-mystery/

and you get the idea that the Atheltic department being completely self sufficient and after all is said and done internally...contribute a whopping $12 million to the University's $4 billion budget?

lol

The University really would not miss them.

 

[waggy]

it amazes me that anyone can say "well jopa reported to his manager so he did what he had to" and be ok with that. it just blows my mind.

how about he grow a fucking set of balls and when he sees NOTHING is being done go to the fucking cops himself? or the papers? NO job is worth knowing that he is allowing a child molester to continue to rape kids.

I don't care how good a football coach he is. this story just blows my mind.

 

[TheVrolok]

I agree with that. It looks like it's under his own conviction that such a decision is made. Though...if he somehow is vindicated by all of this, it could be that he ends up being the only one capable of leading this organization, in whatever state it exists after all of the investigations.

If this goes beyond the University, then I don't see how PSU, and the town, can legitimately support the notion of having a football program for the next several years.

I was trying to find some budgetary information yesterday regarding the University, but it seems they have a long standing history of being very tight-lipped about contracts, salaries, and all expenditures related to football; unlike all other NCAA institutions. This cult of secrecy and cronyism seems quite pervasive

dang, can't google any of the articles that I found yesterday?

Oh, here's one:
http://thesportseconomist.com/

Here is something that talks about the University Budget and funding:
http://onwardstate.com/2011/04/12/cracking-the-budget-mystery/

and you get the idea that the Atheltic department being completely self sufficient and after all is said and done internally...contribute a whopping $12 million to the University's $4 billion budget?

lol

The University really would not miss them.

It's because the University's academics and athletics are "separate" entities. Different budgets, etc.

 

[Wreckem]

I imagine if he falls under whistleblower clause, then PSU can't touch him.

and, I'm going to start playing Devil's Advocate and argue along with Boomer D--we very likely don't know everything going on here, and despite the clear fact that McQueary and JoePa appear very much culpable in this coverup, it seems probably that they both have much more info that could be far more damning on so many levels, and with so many organizations.

It seems the only logical assumption with the oddity with how McQuery is being handled. How strange would it be if it is revealed that McQueary, in fact, did far more than is currently revealed to try and deal with this situation, but it is all a part of the massive cover-up, and he ends up being the lone righteous individual in all of this?

also probable that he is as dirty as it seems, and he's simply talking on agreement.

I wonder how deep into State College this goes--is this going to infect the PD as well?

McQueary is just as if not more culpable then all of them.

I doubt he has whistleblower status, because its not blowing the whistle if they come to you. He would have been a whistleblower if he brought this up 8 years ago. Now he's just as guilty as the rest.

Even if he has whistleblower status he will be gone when I new coach is hired.

 

[cronos]

McQueary is just as if not more culpable then all of them.

I doubt he has whistleblower status, because its not blowing the whistle if they come to you. He would have been a whistleblower if he brought this up 8 years ago. Now he's just as guilty as the rest.

Even if he has whistleblower status he will be gone when I new coach is hired.

How about if McQueary was, once, Sandusky's victim too?

(yes, I completely made that up just five seconds ago. please go ahead and check your timeline, etc.)

 

[Phokus]

I agree with that. It looks like it's under his own conviction that such a decision is made. Though...if he somehow is vindicated by all of this, it could be that he ends up being the only one capable of leading this organization, in whatever state it exists after all of the investigations.

If this goes beyond the University, then I don't see how PSU, and the town, can legitimately support the notion of having a football program for the next several years.

I was trying to find some budgetary information yesterday regarding the University, but it seems they have a long standing history of being very tight-lipped about contracts, salaries, and all expenditures related to football; unlike all other NCAA institutions. This cult of secrecy and cronyism seems quite pervasive

dang, can't google any of the articles that I found yesterday?

Oh, here's one:
http://thesportseconomist.com/

Here is something that talks about the University Budget and funding:
http://onwardstate.com/2011/04/12/cracking-the-budget-mystery/

and you get the idea that the Atheltic department being completely self sufficient and after all is said and done internally...contribute a whopping $12 million to the University's $4 billion budget?

lol

The University really would not miss them.

Wait... i was reading that their football program earns 60-70 million in net income... where does the rest of that money go? Investments or something?