RIM to lay off 2,000 (~10% of their workforce)

[Pliablemoose]

So Apple is the only company that can recover from shit value and being stuck in a niche?

No, far from it. And BB is positioned to do incredibly well, if it can succeed at reinventing itself.

I'd like to see some prototype QNX phones be shown around.

Also, Apple is referred to as a "black swan". Wiki has a great definition of what that is...

 

[ew915]

i guess they don't need so many people to keep doing the same thing all over again and again...

 

[JS80]

No, far from it. And BB is positioned to do incredibly well, if it can succeed at reinventing itself.

I'd like to see some prototype QNX phones be shown around.

Also, Apple is referred to as a "black swan". Wiki has a great definition of what that is...

Another black swan to come that will put BB in the red. Once Apple comes out with a phone on every carrier and offers a cheap/free version it will be the end of BB. It will come in a cliff fall vs slow bleed due to 2 year contracts.

My sister is a sales rep at Sprint corporate - she says as soon as iPhone comes out to Sprint half her BB customers will jump ship. The rest will jump ship when a "free" version comes out.

Look for BB's accountants forcing them to write off certain assets and they will start reporting paper losses. This is my prediction for them next 12-24 months.

 

[kaerflog]

I haven't jumped on the RIM death wagon yet but I will now.
I would compared them to Palm.
Palm held on to their technology for so long before its too late.
Once they realized it and developed a great OS in webos, they still couldn't recovered.
-Look at Microsoft.
They realized their OS was crap and decided to start from scratch.
They made a pretty darn good OS and its even hard for a giant like MS to catch up.
If they didn't partner up with Nokia, we wouldn't know what would happen(still don't know)
-So whats on the horizon for RIM ??
Nothing. The same looking phones as before with the same OS thats not up to par with todays technology.
There is nothing upcoming in their portfolio that have people excited.
By the time RIM come out with their next geeration QNX phones, far too many people will have already jumped ship and they are not jumpnig back.

 

[Oyeve]

Me, I am waiting for the 9930 BB. Looks slick.

 

[mammador]

I haven't jumped on the RIM death wagon yet but I will now.
I would compared them to Palm.
Palm held on to their technology for so long before its too late.
Once they realized it and developed a great OS in webos, they still couldn't recovered.
-Look at Microsoft.
They realized their OS was crap and decided to start from scratch.
They made a pretty darn good OS and its even hard for a giant like MS to catch up.
If they didn't partner up with Nokia, we wouldn't know what would happen(still don't know)
-So whats on the horizon for RIM ??
Nothing. The same looking phones as before with the same OS thats not up to par with todays technology.
There is nothing upcoming in their portfolio that have people excited.
By the time RIM come out with their next geeration QNX phones, far too many people will have already jumped ship and they are not jumpnig back.

it hurts MS less since they have IE, Office, Exchange, and of course Windows as their main products. In these markets, they have a leading position or close to it. I think MS made a mobile OS just to capitalise on a growing market, but it's not its mainstay product as such for them.

It makes me laugh when people continually talk of RIM's demise, but most of their revenue comes from their phones, so they need to care more than MS does.

 

[kaerflog]

it hurts MS less since they have IE, Office, Exchange, and of course Windows as their main products. In these markets, they have a leading position or close to it. I think MS made a mobile OS just to capitalise on a growing market, but it's not its mainstay product as such for them.

It makes me laugh when people continually talk of RIM's demise, but most of their revenue comes from their phones, so they need to care more than MS does.

I would disagree to an extend.
Look at where technology is heading as a whole. Mobile.
Everything we do in the future will be mobile.
MS might be leading elsewhere but if they don't grab a share of the mobile market, they will not be a major player in the future.
Companies that realized this early like Google with Android has the tightest grip on this market.

 

[Pliablemoose]

LOL

 

[gsaldivar]

LOL

Sorry I couldn't resist...

 

[Slew Foot]

Hahahahahahahhaha. [redacted] you RIM. You worthless pos company.

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[gsaldivar]

[redacted] you RIM. You worthless pos company.

Um, no.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Hahahahahahahhaha. [redacted] you RIM. You worthless pos company.

That's a bit extreme, and while RIM is having problems at the moment, I think they may well bounce back pretty strongly, they have the same advantages as Apple in that they control their product from start to finish and own the OS. What they lack is management that understands the market and is willing to realize that it is very dynamic. They've taken years to respond to changes that were easy to see.

Who the hell can look at a graph of Android/iPhone sales and not think, "Holy crap, we're missing something."

You buy a handful of the competitors products, tear them down physically and the software down line by line and figure out how to make something similar or better.

Virtually every BB customer would have been thrilled to have a device almost as good as an iPhone or a high powered Android phone.

And where they seriously screwed up was in building a tablet first, QNX OS'd phones should have been first, followed by a tablet.