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RIM marketing officer resigns...

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Nilay was showing one off on CNN last night. He held one up beside an iPad. The thing was literally half the size. I know it was supposed to be half the size, but seeing them together made it all too real. I use my iPad as a leisurely consumption device, and more screen is better. Otherwise it's just a big smartphone. And I've already got a smartphone!

The real question here is if/when to short RIMM. Wait for a launch run-up, or move in now?
 
DivideBYZero said:
Christ you're fucking tring.

I posted why test units ran like that above, are you playing stupid to be cute?

And as for the 'you win RIM' rant, he's a 'developer' who can't write a script or restart a VM. I think we can all live without a coder like that and to cap it off RIM responded to all the issues within a week or so by providing the scripts and removing the requirement to have a notary check ID.

Stop trolling and try to debate, that means you need to qualify your links and bullshit, rather than have me do it.

And which launch date has been missed? 😀
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So, I post links to websites that are tended to show RIM devices in a favorable light, they mention the tablet gets hot and the battery lasts 2 hours this month and you post an award QNS got 7 years ago and call me stupid and playing dumb?

The Playbook was supposed to launch Q1, 2011. We're there, you started a thread that says it's maybe going to be released next month, but that's not official.

I'm not calling your posts stupid or calling you dumb, I'm posting current links to websites that are slanted positively towards RIM products and their hands on impressions.

A 7 inch device that should be able to use near 1/2 the energy the iPad does by virtue of a smaller screen (almost exactly 1/2 the size) that gets 1/5th the battery life of the iPad?
 
DivideBYZero said:
How long can you run HD video and games concurrently on a Xoom or iPad? Well, you can't, for starters, but if you could run three or four intensive apps at the same time, how long would those tabs last? Then bear in mind the final OS isn't on these devices. Take your straw man elsewhere.
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HD games on iPad? 5 hours. Max brightness. Max volume. Screen on all the time. All radios on. Push mails and notifications. In fact, someone was crazy enough to record the whole thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBYqchEsvh0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH3RP2gdtTY

Not sure about XOOM. But I bet we'll be able to find someone who is willing to play Dungeon Defenders a couple of hours.
 
I think that the Playbook will be a compelling device after about a year of tweaking the OS.

I also think the Xoom will be awesome with some fine tuning.
 
Pliablemoose said:
I think that the Playbook will be a compelling device after about a year of tweaking the OS.

I also think the Xoom will be awesome with some fine tuning.
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Can they afford to give Apple another year? If they don't make some headway soon the iPad is going to be to tablets what the iPod is to mp3 players.
 
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speg said:
Can they afford to give Apple another year? If they don't make some headway soon the iPad is going to be to tablets what the iPod is to mp3 players.
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Considering all the troubles they're having wrt this Playbook, the fact that they're porting their bread-n-butter BBM to iOS and Android, and how fast Android and iOS is encroaching on their enterprise territory (not to mention Microsoft), I think they're as good as done.
 
speg said:
Nilay was showing one off on CNN last night. He held one up beside an iPad. The thing was literally half the size. I know it was supposed to be half the size, but seeing them together made it all too real. I use my iPad as a leisurely consumption device, and more screen is better. Otherwise it's just a big smartphone. And I've already got a smartphone!

The real question here is if/when to short RIMM. Wait for a launch run-up, or move in now?
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Thats the tough part about shorting, its easy to predict something will go down. Its hard to know when.
 
Its cute the way trolls manage to turn a thread about a marketing officer leaving into a "lolz the ipad is sooo much better than the playbook" fest. But, kids will be kids...
 
Deeko said:
Its cute the way trolls manage to turn a thread about a marketing officer leaving into a "lolz the ipad is sooo much better than the playbook" fest. But, kids will be kids...
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Since we're benching a "real" iPad versus vaporware, yeah, the iPad does kick the PlayBook's ass.
 
Deeko said:
*sigh* I almost feel bad for you. Almost.
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There you go again, I post links to a "real" playbook being used last week, the pro BB fan site admitting the Playbooks they were given last 2 hours and got hot and you turn it personal.

RIM has "announced" 4 models, one carrier contract, no release date, a should be price, and shipped 0 products, despite a promised Q1 release.

RIM needs to ship or shut up.

I think the chief of marketing had enough and called it a day, and that likely took a lot. The press releases look exactly what Lazardis has been saying in public and likely came directly from him.
 
You're missing the point, like you always do. My point was that you twisted a thread about a marketing officer into another Playbook vs whatever pissing match. You also missed the point in DBZ's post - and you missed it so hard that you've put it in your sig trying to mock him, when in fact you're just proving to everyone that you entirely failed to comprehend what he posted (which, I guess I'll spell it out for you, is that people said QNX is made to be plugged in, DBZ countered that they've clearly been working on mobile versions for the better part of a decade. Not that an award in 2004 means they have the best power management now, but rather that it was a quite deft dismissal of the notion that the OS is only just now being adapted to run on battery.)

I guess someone had to fill the void of "lets turn every thread into a fight that's about things that aren't what the thread is actually about" after dwell stopped posting in here....good work, moose, that's really a vaunted title.

Anyway, I know Pliabletroll would like to keep discussing off topic matters, but feeding the troll gets old. If anyone would actually like to discuss the marketing officer, I suppose this thread can continue, but we really don't need another "why he hates the playbook" thread.
 
Wait, RIM has a marketing department?


... I kid, I kid. Perhaps there are big changes going on in the company. They certainly need to do something different to win back market share.
 
speg said:
Can they afford to give Apple another year? If they don't make some headway soon the iPad is going to be to tablets what the iPod is to mp3 players.
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But just like with mp3 players, not everybody likes the UI that Apple provides. I can give competitors as long as they want to get it right because the UI for iOS just doesn't provide the experience I need.

Just because it's the leader doesn't mean everybody likes it. If iOS 5 provides some new/updated functionality (mainly widgets, or at-a-glance functionality rather than opening individual apps to get to your information), then it might become more compelling to me. As it stands now, I have no interest in a UI that solely provides page after page of 4x4 grids of icons.
 
Deeko said:
You're missing the point, like you always do. My point was that you twisted a thread about a marketing officer into another Playbook vs whatever pissing match. You also missed the point in DBZ's post - and you missed it so hard that you've put it in your sig trying to mock him, when in fact you're just proving to everyone that you entirely failed to comprehend what he posted (which, I guess I'll spell it out for you, is that people said QNX is made to be plugged in, DBZ countered that they've clearly been working on mobile versions for the better part of a decade. Not that an award in 2004 means they have the best power management now, but rather that it was a quite deft dismissal of the notion that the OS is only just now being adapted to run on battery.)

I guess someone had to fill the void of "lets turn every thread into a fight that's about things that aren't what the thread is actually about" after dwell stopped posting in here....good work, moose, that's really a vaunted title.

Anyway, I know Pliabletroll would like to keep discussing off topic matters, but feeding the troll gets old. If anyone would actually like to discuss the marketing officer, I suppose this thread can continue, but we really don't need another "why he hates the playbook" thread.
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It seems like nobody considers that the marketing guy maybe just burned out, had no good ideas for effectively marketing the device, or ran against the vision of the company. Who really knows why he left and since nobody here or at Engadget works at RIM or has specific insight into the marketing guys brain or thought process, people have predictably devolved into playing armchair analyst in the hopes that they're right and can shout, "I told you so". The job of most analysts is so simple minded--just be cynical and predict everything will fail. If it does, you look like a genius, and if it succeeds, you can hand out kudos for "shocking the world".
 
tdawg said:
It seems like nobody considers that the marketing guy maybe just burned out, had no good ideas for effectively marketing the device, or ran against the vision of the company. Who really knows why he left and since nobody here or at Engadget works at RIM or has specific insight into the marketing guys brain or thought process, people have predictably devolved into playing armchair analyst in the hopes that they're right and can shout, "I told you so". The job of most analysts is so simple minded--just be cynical and predict everything will fail. If it does, you look like a genius, and if it succeeds, you can hand out kudos for "shocking the world".
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Yep. Employees - both the grunts and the execs - leave companies all the time. We can only speculate why, its the job of the sensationalist media to make a bigger story out of it than it is.
 
Deeko said:
You're missing the point, like you always do. My point was that you twisted a thread about a marketing officer into another Playbook vs whatever pissing match. You also missed the point in DBZ's post - and you missed it so hard that you've put it in your sig trying to mock him, when in fact you're just proving to everyone that you entirely failed to comprehend what he posted (which, I guess I'll spell it out for you, is that people said QNX is made to be plugged in, DBZ countered that they've clearly been working on mobile versions for the better part of a decade. Not that an award in 2004 means they have the best power management now, but rather that it was a quite deft dismissal of the notion that the OS is only just now being adapted to run on battery.)

I guess someone had to fill the void of "lets turn every thread into a fight that's about things that aren't what the thread is actually about" after dwell stopped posting in here....good work, moose, that's really a vaunted title.

Anyway, I know Pliabletroll would like to keep discussing off topic matters, but feeding the troll gets old. If anyone would actually like to discuss the marketing officer, I suppose this thread can continue, but we really don't need another "why he hates the playbook" thread.
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The second line of the OP's post mentions the Playbook and the iPad, as does every article I've read about the CMO leaving, including the linked article.

Everyone else is making the association between the two, but if I bring it up I'm a troll.

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