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IHateMyJob2004

IHateMyJob2004

Lifer
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Hugo Drax said:
Not sure why you hid the position size since it really does not matter. But I know what your position size is anyways. :biggrin:

Do you think RIMM will be trading in the 100-150 range by expiration day?

What is your price target on expiration day?

From what I can see your trade is a low risk trade, limited losses and right now your sitting on a nice return.
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I don't discuss position sizes because I don't like to hint at my financial status or lack thereof. For purposes of discussion it does not matter. Percent is what matters.

I'll talk stock price at end of year.
I think with even mild BB10 adoption worldwide, RIMM is worth $30-$40.
If things go even moderately well though, RIMM is probably worth north of $50. How high depends on how moderate. The thing is, if people start trading in Android and iOS phones in favor of BB10, that's when $100+ numbers can happen. In all honesty, I think RIMM will be over $50 by end of year. $100+ would be nice but admittedly unlikely.

I have no target price out a year from now. I bought RIMM at $18, then $13, Then $9 and then at $7 because it is worth north of $30 worse case scenario. I think expected case takes it in the $50-$100 range. So I guess in there somewhere is rational. $150 is if you start seeing news articles about people lining up to trade in their Android and iOS phones.

And I say all this by looking at financial statements and my expectations of what future financial statements will look like, not by looking at charts. Business value is all I care about.

I'll admit I am an early adopter. I will never buy an iPhone and I hate my Android. I'm leaving Android for BB10 because I have read about the BB10 and the OS itself is far superior to anything Android or iOS based. It really does leave iOS and Android in the dust. tinkered with a Windows 8 phone also. Seems more modern than Android and iOS but BB10 trumps that too. I'll loose a few apps that Android has but there are alternatives coming to BB10. So I loose no functionality and get a slicker experience.
 
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DesiPower

DesiPower

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Lenovo Could Take Over RIM

Lenovo Group Ltd. (992) is assessing potential acquisition targets and strategic alliances, including a deal with BlackBerry maker Research In Motion Ltd. (RIMM), as the second-largest producer of personal computers tries to bolster its mobile-device business.

“We are looking at all opportunities -- RIM and many others,” Chief Financial Officer Wong Wai Ming said yesterday in an interview at the World Economic Forum’s meeting in Davos, Switzerland. “We’ll have no hesitation if the right opportunity comes along that could benefit us and shareholders.”
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So it not going to die after all but become a China's puppet? trading death for slavery... interesting. I am not a fan of turning over the most secure phone over to the Chinese but its a open free trade capitalistic world... its all a fair game. must admit, Lenovo after taking IMB PC business maintained the quality pretty well, hope they do the same with RIM
 
IHateMyJob2004

IHateMyJob2004

Lifer
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Lenovo,

I have high doubts that the deal would ever go through. If shareholders don't block it, the Canadian gov't will.
 
silverpig

silverpig

Lifer
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nickbits said:
Canadian government is more meddlesome...
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Actually, the Canadian government is known for being much less meddlesome than the US government on these matters. Potash was just highly publicized. Look at all the mining, logging, and oilsands foreign investment.

That being said, I doubt they'd let RIM go.
 
CZroe

CZroe

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IHateMyJob2004 said:
...I'll admit I am an early adopter. I will never buy an iPhone and I hate my Android. I'm leaving Android for BB10 because I have read about the BB10 and the OS itself is far superior to anything Android or iOS based. It really does leave iOS and Android in the dust. tinkered with a Windows 8 phone also. Seems more modern than Android and iOS but BB10 trumps that too. I'll loose a few apps that Android has but there are alternatives coming to BB10. So I loose no functionality and get a slicker experience.
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The word is lose. Not "loose."
 
Pheran

Pheran

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If Lenovo takes over RIM, every US government agency and contractor that still uses Blackberry phones will drop them like a hot potato and no doubt ban them going forward. That would be considered a significant security risk.
 
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jpiniero

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Yeah, Lenovo's not buying RIM. Not at these prices anyway. And when BB10 flops, will they still be interested? They'd be better off looking at one of those Chinese smartphone vendors or just start their own.

Team China is definitely something to watch; especially when the subsidy model ends in the US, which will be sooner rather than later.
 
StrangerGuy

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jpiniero said:
Yeah, Lenovo's not buying RIM. Not at these prices anyway. And when BB10 flops, will they still be interested? They'd be better off looking at one of those Chinese smartphone vendors or just start their own.

Team China is definitely something to watch; especially when the subsidy model ends in the US, which will be sooner rather than later.
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On a side note, other than Lenovo, the retarded English naming of mainland China companies makes me cringe like Huawei and Geely, and I'm a Chinese. At least Taiwanese got the message with Asus, Gigabyte, MSI and TSMC instead of retarded hanyu pinyin names.
 
Imp

Imp

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StrangerGuy said:
On a side note, other than Lenovo, the retarded English naming of mainland China companies makes me cringe like Huawei and Geely, and I'm a Chinese. At least Taiwanese got the message with Asus, Gigabyte, MSI and TSMC instead of retarded hanyu pinyin names.
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Ha... I agree. Names in non-latin based languages (latin based ones do) don't "translate" well to English. Just make or get an English name and leave your native name as a middle name. In the case of companies, just make a new one up.

For Chinese, the pinyin names NEVER game out sounding right. Worst offender off the top of my head is "Lee".
 
3chordcharlie

3chordcharlie

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Getting a little eager to see bb10 on playbook and the keyboard model. I've heard only 'it's really good' from a reporter buddy who is still NDA'd. I hope he's right.
 
IHateMyJob2004

IHateMyJob2004

Lifer
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3chord,

Curious of where the reporter is from. We all know that tech sites probably have this thing under NDA. Or is it a general news organization?

I know you probably won't say what site (or could you ;)), but could you say what the nature of the site is and how popular it is?
 
Imp

Imp

Lifer
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I wish they would drop out of the tablet market. It's saturated (over?) now. With iPad still being a favourite, Android/Google + huge phone-tablets, and Windows 8 running "real" software, everyone else outside the big-3 is left with the scraps.

Edit: Forgot about google.
 
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3chordcharlie

3chordcharlie

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IHateMyJob2004 said:
3chord,

Curious of where the reporter is from. We all know that tech sites probably have this thing under NDA. Or is it a general news organization?

I know you probably won't say what site (or could you ;)), but could you say what the nature of the site is and how popular it is?
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Southern Ontario
 
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IceBergSLiM

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I bought 10 shares yesterday. I think they are back on course with BB10. They can recover some and have ability to re-capture market share.

<<< Baller

Also they are changing their company name to blackberry pending shareholder vote. Could help strengthen brand recognition.
 
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IceBergSLiM

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Imp said:
I wish they would drop out of the tablet market. It's saturated (over?) now. With iPad still being a favourite, Android/Google + huge phone-tablets, and Windows 8 running "real" software, everyone else outside the big-3 is left with the scraps.

Edit: Forgot about google.
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Tablets might be good if they push them in the corp environment where they aleady have a strong foothold in mobile secure email. I don't know if the margins are good enough to continue competing in the retail market though.
 
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