RIM death watch

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rockyct said:
I'm not surprised they are down to $200, but even at that price, why would someone buy one? I'd much rather have a Kindle Fire at that price or an HP Touchpad (which I bought for $100 but would pay $200 for one). I know it's got some bonus features like HDMI out and a uSD card, but everything about RIM seems like they took "day late and a dollar short" as a company motto.
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Pst... It can't be stylish. They aren't appealing to consumers - they're a "business" oriented enterprise.
 
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rockyct said:
I'm not surprised they are down to $200, but even at that price, why would someone buy one? I'd much rather have a Kindle Fire at that price or an HP Touchpad (which I bought for $100 but would pay $200 for one). I know it's got some bonus features like HDMI out and a uSD card, but everything about RIM seems like they took "day late and a dollar short" as a company motto.
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I guess I'm hoping they actually make QNX (the new OS on the PlayBook, and supposedly on the phones next year) will actually get straightened out, and that they actually lure some developers into developing more apps, and develop an ecosystem around it. If they don't, they've ceded the US market to Android and iOS, with the rest of the world to follow.

If the stock goes much lower, they're looking at getting taken over.
 
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At this rate, one would have to be pretty dumb to develop apps for QNX/Playbook. Adoption rate is a few million (under 5, even 3?) versus tens of millions (existing phones + tablets) with near guaranteed staying power for Android and Apple. And RIM already said they'll put an Android "app player" - at some point in time and a gimped - on the Playbook/QNX, so why bother at all?
 
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Pliablemoose said:
I guess I'm hoping they actually make QNX (the new OS on the PlayBook, and supposedly on the phones next year) will actually get straightened out, and that they actually lure some developers into developing more apps, and develop an ecosystem around it. If they don't, they've ceded the US market to Android and iOS, with the rest of the world to follow.

If the stock goes much lower, they're looking at getting taken over.
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A lot can change in a year though before their next phone OS comes out. I'm sure the iPhone5/iPad3 will finally be out and so will Windows 8/WP8, as well as 50 new Android phones and tablets. If anything, they should move to a highly customized version of Android.

If Google were smart, they could have bought RIM instead of Motorola. Integrating BBM tech into their OS would have been pretty sweet and would have been less threatening to other Android hardware makers. Motorola has nice hardware, but Samsung and HTC have pretty much matched or passed them in hardware and I'm not sure if Motorola has any value outside of their hardware. Buying RIM would have added some nice OS functionality without making their hardware partners nervous.
 
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RIMM market cap 7.00B
AAPL market cap 354.12B
MSFT market cap 218.72B
GOOG market cap 202.74B

I still don't think RIMM is worth it. Although Google could use their patents in the patent war.
 
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BladeVenom said:
RIMM market cap 7.00B
AAPL market cap 354.12B
MSFT market cap 218.72B
GOOG market cap 202.74B

I still don't think RIMM is worth it. Although Google could use their patents in the patent war.
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If Google attempted to buy them at this point, it would have a pretty big backlash. First, from anti-trust concerns and second by phone makers. Having Google own Motorola and RIM would not be a pleasant thought for Samsung, HTC, etc.
 
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ponyo said:
Why not Apple?
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Not Apple because it makes no sense for Apple.

It makes a lot of sense for MS though. Integrating Exchange with an expanded BES (to handle multiple mobile platforms) would secure MS on the corporate side indefinitely (i.e. until the next actual technology revolution).
 
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3chordcharlie said:
Not Apple because it makes no sense for Apple.

It makes a lot of sense for MS though. Integrating Exchange with an expanded BES (to handle multiple mobile platforms) would secure MS on the corporate side indefinitely (i.e. until the next actual technology revolution).
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MS blew $8 billion on Skype... They'd probably have to pay a premium over current market cap, so let's be conservative and say double, so $16 billion. Wonder what they'll do.
 
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Imp said:
MS blew $8 billion on Skype... They'd probably have to pay a premium over current market cap, so let's be conservative and say double, so $16 billion. Wonder what they'll do.
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Yup, $8billion on something that barely makes sense. It sure would be cool to see what the players are saying about rimm behind closed doors.
 
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Bad products, horrible software and no cohesive vision have seemingly turned Research In Motion into a company without motion at this point. Throw in a huge delay before BlackBerry 10 smartphones start shipping, and it’s clear why people are losing, or have lost, faith in a company that played a tremendous role in making the smartphone industry what it is today. Thanks to one of our most trusted sources, BGR now has new information on what’s going on inside Research In Motion, and the picture it paints isn’t a pretty one.

Our source has communicated to us in no uncertain terms that the PlayBook 2.0 OS developers have been testing is a crystal clear window into the current state of BlackBerry 10 on smartphones. No email, no BlackBerry Messenger — it’s almost identical. “Email and PIM [is better] on an 8700 than it is on BlackBerry 10,” our contact said while talking to us about RIM’s failure to make the company’s new OS work with the network infrastructure RIM is known for.

We also have some more background on why RIM’s BlackBerry 10 smartphones are delayed, and it has nothing to do with a new LTE chipset that RIM is waiting on. In what is something of a serious allegation, our source told us that Mike Lazaridis was lying when he said the company’s new lineup was delayed for that reason. ”RIM is simply pushing this out as long as they can for one reason, they don’t have a working product yet,” we were told.

At the end of our conversation, our source communicated something shocking for a high-level RIM employee to say. He told us that RIM is betting its business on a platform and ecosystem that isn’t even as good as iPhone OS 1.0 or Android 2.0. “There’s no room for a fourth ecosystem,” he stated, “and DingleBerry also works on BlackBerry 10.”
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http://www.bgr.com/2011/12/22/black...-wont-be-able-to-compete-company-source-says/

Oh shit.....
 
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