Rights group: Hamas may have committed war crimes

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Have you ever looked at the map and seen just how ridiculous it is with Gaza and the West Bank smack dab in the middle of Israeli territory? Have you ever been there?

I am familiar with the geography, and "smack dab in the middle of Israeli territory" isn't an accurate characterization. On the other hand, Israel has built settlements all across Palestinian territory in the West Bank, demonstrating their lack of interest in maintaining defined borders.

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
I have little doubt that Israel could defend its Syrian border effectively.

The border with Syria is about distance as the border with Gaza, which the only part of Palestinian territory militants currently have the freedom of movement to attack Israel from anyway. Besides, by what means do you figure the militants could be kept in Syria rather than spreading across Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt to attack from there?

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
So be it. The alternative is neverending internal terrorism and endless atrocities on both sides.

When it comes to warfare and violent conflict, might does make right. The winner keeps the prize; and, in this case, that prize would be land and security. If the Palestinians want it badly enough, they and their Arab friends could try to take it back. But, as we all know, that probably wouldnt happen. And, if they tried, Israel would woop their fucking asses... again.

I'm simply surprised that Israel has shown as much restraint as they have over the years... I would have marched the threat to the border 20 years ago, or sooner.

And, the best part? Israel could still do all of the above even if the U.S. walked away from them completely.

Deportation of all Palestinians FTW.

If we withdrew our support for Israel, not only would they be short billions of dollars in free weapons each year, we'd no longer be blocking the UN efforts at peaceful resolution to the conflict, which would lead to sanctions and embargoes keeping them from buying weapons from anyone else. That would force Israel to accept a peaceful settlement with Palestine on the basis of international law, and that is the winning solution in my book.

wow!! You are so wrong....
Let me ask you a question what did israel do before we came on the scene?
You should be thankful that we are supporting Israel!!
With our support it means they do not have to go it alone....which means their military doesn`t have to be as proactive as if it was Israel against the world!!

The UN is a toothless entity that actually needs to be dismantled.
The UN when it comes to israel is very onesided and would never in a million years be able to enforce sanctions against Israel.

As usual Kyle you are blowing whimsical smoke up peoples asses.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
wow!! You are so wrong.... Gosh, you reckon?
Let me ask you a question what did israel do before we came on the scene?
You should be thankful that we are supporting Israel!! Praise the Lord, you're right
With our support it means they do not have to go it alone....which means their military doesn`t have to be as proactive as if it was Israel against the world!!
Seem pretty active to me, is that different to proactive?
The UN is a toothless entity that actually needs to be dismantled. or strengthened
The UN when it comes to israel is very onesided and would never in a million years be able to enforce sanctions against Israel. Why do you think it is one-sided, and I fully accept that it is?
As usual Kyle you are blowing whimsical smoke up peoples asses Is that ass, as in donkey/idiot or ass as in arse?.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

wow!! You are so wrong....
Let me ask you a question what did israel do before we came on the scene?
You should be thankful that we are supporting Israel!!
With our support it means they do not have to go it alone....which means their military doesn`t have to be as proactive as if it was Israel against the world!!

The UN is a toothless entity that actually needs to be dismantled.
The UN when it comes to israel is very onesided and would never in a million years be able to enforce sanctions against Israel.

As usual Kyle you are blowing whimsical smoke up peoples asses.

wow!!! i Sure do love when you respond to israel-Related threads!! (!!!1)

it Really.... gives me A tickle when posters get EXtra-...frothy!! about israel Related things. Particularly when the froth whips...... up To such a lather that the exlamation points end up doing!!! the talking....

Edit: UN is a toothless entity..!!!!

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Let me ask you a question what did israel do before we came on the scene?

I know the answer to this, but rather than answer your question I'd prefer hear what you believe.

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
With our support it means they do not have to go it alone....which means their military doesn`t have to be as proactive as if it was Israel against the world!!

What are you suggesting Israel would do if we did withdraw our support?

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
The UN is a toothless entity that actually needs to be dismantled.
The UN when it comes to israel is very onesided and would never in a million years be able to enforce sanctions against Israel.

The UN did a fine job enforcing sanctions against South Africa to bring an end to apartheid, what makes you believe the same could not be done with Israel?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Let me ask you a question what did israel do before we came on the scene?

I know the answer to this, but rather than answer your question I'd prefer hear what you believe.

I seriously doubt you do know the correct answer....not an answer that byou concieve through story books and other avenues...

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
With our support it means they do not have to go it alone....which means their military doesn`t have to be as proactive as if it was Israel against the world!!

What are you suggesting Israel would do if we did withdraw our support?
Israel would be just fine if we withdrew our support. The fact that people like you believe otherwise is just shows you have no clue.
If we withdrew our support you would see a win at all costs attitude prevade anything Isreal did militarily. It`s a lot different when you go it alone.
In fact when yuo go it alone you do not stop when you have inflicyted enough punishment on your agressors...you stop when you totally win!!

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

The UN is a toothless entity that actually needs to be dismantled.
The UN when it comes to israel is very onesided and would never in a million years be able to enforce sanctions against Israel.

The UN did a fine job enforcing sanctions against South Africa to bring an end to apartheid, what makes you believe the same could not be done with Israel?

Actually the UN did not do a fine job at all...read up on the subject.....I found it to be an interesting read.
getting back to this topic.....

I agree with what Copmmon Courtesy has stated on more than one occassion --
As Common Courtesy stated so rightly so--
When the other thread that came out earlier stating thatIsrael was considered to be guilty, people who indicated that Hamas may have something to do with the issue were attacked.

"Hamas could do no wrong - they are fully justified in attacking Israel."

Within this thread the Hamas defenders also choose to not look at the fact that Hamas was the one that was throwing the rockets initially which led Israel to come down hard.

And everytime Israel does so, their opponents run for help playing the victim card.

And we can go back before that to rockets/motars fired from within Palestine territory into Israel with the blessing of Hamas leadership.

What it boils down to is that Hamas feels it is justified to attack Israel; but not the otherway around.

Peace is possible when BOTH sides come to the table without preconditions and the political power to backup the deal.
Fair peace implies preconditions based on the past.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
I seriously doubt you do know the correct answer...

And I seriously couldn't care less about your doubts. The fact remains that your implied argument is worthless without an answer your question. Granted, knowing the correct answer to your question, I know your argument is worthless regardless.

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Israel would be just fine if we withdrew our support. The fact that people like you believe otherwise is just shows you have no clue.

The amount of effort groups like the CoP and AIPAC put into lobbying to matian and strengthen support for Israel is one rather obvious clue among many.

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
If we withdrew our support you would see a win at all costs attitude prevade anything Isreal did militarily. It`s a lot different when you go it alone.
In fact when yuo go it alone you do not stop when you have inflicyted enough punishment on your agressors...you stop when you totally win!!

Win what, the genocidal maniacs of the century award? It's not a win when you lose your soul.

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Actually the UN did not do a fine job at all...read up on the subject.....I found it to be an interesting read.

I have read much on the subject, what are you suggesting I'm missing?

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

BLALBLALBALBLA

Peace is possible when BOTH sides come to the table without preconditions and the political power to backup the deal.
Fair peace implies preconditions based on the past.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I want to pick my cake, and I want to eat it as well!

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: fallout man
Bullshit. Please remind me in what year did Mexico last possess what currently is US territory?

I thought you said that Palestinian hatred is "generations deep," and you've defended their terrorist actions based on the great injustices done to them, so why is the year in which it took place matter?

These folks, unfortunately, have every reason to be bitter.

As do the Israelis. Around and around we go... forever.

Or, at least until one of the two parties moves... just not to ovens or the Sea, as you would like.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

BLALBLALBALBLA

Peace is possible when BOTH sides come to the table without preconditions and the political power to backup the deal.
Fair peace implies preconditions based on the past.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I want to pick my cake, and I want to eat it as well!

Yes the Palestinians do want their cake and to eat it also....go figure!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

eskimo's don't eat ice cream?!

Yes, the Hamas and Hezbollah apologists around here are overwhelmingly biased against Israel. Fact.

Your use of language is biased. Fact.


Most here are opposed to (a) Israeli Govt and current policies and (b) continuation of the occupation of Palestinian Territory.

Keep trying to twist and distort things all you want, it doesn't change what the reality is.

exactly -- it doen`t change what the reality really is...but if your dreaming like magomago is, then perhaps somebody should pinch magomago and wake him up....muahahahaaaaa

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
If the Mexicans in the U.S. started blowing up markets and buses in an attempt to reclaim the Southwest United States...

The difference being we didn't ethnicly clense Mexicans from that territory, nor are we holding Mexico under military occupation while continuing colonize it further.

people like Kylebisme conveniently fogets that the Arabs intended on ethnicly cleansing Palestine of the Jews......

 

[Lemon law]

JEDIYoda is only somewhat correct in stating, "people like Kylebisme conveniently fogets that the Arabs intended on ethnicly cleansing Palestine of the Jews......"

Or more accurately stated, some arabs were opposed to the formation of the state of Israel in 1948 and took military action.

But its does not explain.

1. Why all the Palestinian people were then treated unfairly by the new State of Israel and made into third class citizens in the land of their birth, then unfairly robbed of their land and possessions, and herded into concentration camps, based not on their behavior but instead based on their ancestry. In short, exactly the same anti-sematism jews also complain about as totally unfair.

2. What JEDIYoda notes was true in 1948 and no longer true today, if nothing else, the surrounding arab states are now resigned to the existence of the State of Israel, and the current biggest obstacle to a lasting mid-east peace is the lack of formation of a viable Palestinian State made up mostly out of lands captured by Israel in the 1967 war and not owned by Israel. Continual Israeli settlement on the West Bank must not only stop, it must be reversed. OR NO JUST MID-EAST NO PEACE IS POSSIBLE.

And the foot dragging on that just peace is now almost 100% due to Israel and its irrational behavior.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
If the Mexicans in the U.S. started blowing up markets and buses in an attempt to reclaim the Southwest United States...

The difference being we didn't ethnicly clense Mexicans from that territory, nor are we holding Mexico under military occupation while continuing colonize it further.

people like Kylebisme conveniently fogets that the Arabs intended on ethnicly cleansing Palestine of the Jews......

Rather I'm familiar with the history, and know that your claim is not an accurate characterization of it.

In contrast, you conveniently forget your previous arguments which I had asked you to elaborate, and move on to yet another canard.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
JEDIYoda is only somewhat correct in stating, "people like Kylebisme conveniently fogets that the Arabs intended on ethnicly cleansing Palestine of the Jews......"

Or more accurately stated, some arabs were opposed to the formation of the state of Israel in 1948 and took military action.

But its does not explain.

1. Why all the Palestinian people were then treated unfairly by the new State of Israel and made into third class citizens in the land of their birth, then unfairly robbed of their land and possessions, and herded into concentration camps, based not on their behavior but instead based on their ancestry. In short, exactly the same anti-sematism jews also complain about as totally unfair.

2. What JEDIYoda notes was true in 1948 and no longer true today, if nothing else, the surrounding arab states are now resigned to the existence of the State of Israel, and the current biggest obstacle to a lasting mid-east peace is the lack of formation of a viable Palestinian State made up mostly out of lands captured by Israel in the 1967 war and not owned by Israel. Continual Israeli settlement on the West Bank must not only stop, it must be reversed. OR NO JUST MID-EAST NO PEACE IS POSSIBLE.

And the foot dragging on that just peace is now almost 100% due to Israel and its irrational behavior.

So once again we are at an impass it seems...
You believe that it is all Israel`s fault...btw i thank you for coming out of the closet in another thread and admitting what your true beliefs are!! You are to be commended...ummm..I think...

Again I do not see hamas or even the Palestinians reaching out for peace.....
In fact they have never reached out for Peace.....
In fact why don`t they ever talk about Peace?
Ahhh...I get it ..because as long as there is a nation of israel there can be no peace...ummm....OK..lol

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
If the Mexicans in the U.S. started blowing up markets and buses in an attempt to reclaim the Southwest United States...

The difference being we didn't ethnicly clense Mexicans from that territory, nor are we holding Mexico under military occupation while continuing colonize it further.

people like Kylebisme conveniently fogets that the Arabs intended on ethnicly cleansing Palestine of the Jews......

Rather I'm familiar with the history, and know that your claim is not an accurate characterization of it.

In contrast, you conveniently forget your previous arguments which I had asked you to elaborate, and move on to yet another canard.

Why ask me to elaborate if you knew the answer? Just more of your grandstanding!
You actually know very little on the region or the people of the region.......

But thatsd OK...you are trying to play with thye big boys and are coming up rather short in your responses!

sad and pathetic I might add...

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Why ask me to elaborate if you knew the answer?

As I previously explained:

Originally posted by: kylebisme
...I'd prefer hear what you believe.

But at this point it seems rather clear that you don't even have enough faith in your implied argument to come out with it.