Righties: what are three things Repubs have done for the middle class in 30 years

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Hayabusa Rider

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1. Cutting taxes for the wealthiest 1% allowed them to build more cubicle farms to place the peasants.

2. Going into 2 wars insured job prospects for the middle classes children.

3. A horrible energy policy, health care policy and environmental policy has insured that the middle class realizes how lucky they are just to have a job and better shut their mouths and buy more plastic from china.

So they suck a lot and you not quite as much?

There's a reason for confidence if I ever saw one.

Bush screwed up, and now the Dems are following with their farce known as health care, haven't even attempted to investigate the causes of Iraq, haven't taken our dependence on oil seriously enough to actually do anything about it.


That's not a praise of Republicans, but under the superficial differences there's not a lot which distinguishes the two parties.

You both need to go.
 

JSt0rm

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So they suck a lot and you not quite as much?

wha?

Bush screwed up, and now the Dems are following with their farce known as health care, haven't even attempted to investigate the causes of Iraq, haven't taken our dependence on oil seriously enough to actually do anything about it.

So 1 year into the dems rule and you are mad they haven't looked into what bush did? Do you think the repugs are going to investigate iraq or take oil seriously? No I think not. They will be busy praying to their false god.

You both need to go.

Been down that road bro. No more :D
 

Craig234

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With a decent period for responses, the answer has been : none. The Republicans have not passed or attemted to pass a single major piece of legislation targetted for the well-being of the middle or poor.

Instead, the responses have focused on defending this fact. Some of them have said 'the government shouldn't do anything', ignoring the government's crucial role in affecting the economy, and the Republicans' many efforts to improve things for the rich (not one post mentioned this. suggesting supporters don't much understand the party's activities.) The other main defense in the 'blocking' role - the Republicans may not have done anything but they have voted no to the Democrats.

That's an atrocius record, the things is how many supporters don't understand that.

We have a lot of people who not only get nothing, they praise the party for doing so. No wonder they hate government. They have no idea of the American concept of 'government for the people'.

They're stuck in 1900, happy for a few robber barons to give them crumbs and call it freedom. Just as long as they can not see the poor get any crumbs from the government.

The liberals have not good a good job of educating them as to what good and bad government are. The right-wing propaganda machine has blown the liberals' message out of the water.

The statistics have gone in the right direction from far by the liberal policies, but these people don't understand that.

Most of these people have no idea about the liberals, only the things they're told by the right. I doubt almost any of them have ever gone to a single source in my sig for another point of view.

This goes to a larger discussion about parties, but I wanted to ask the right to check.

I've often quoted "politicians have to LOOK good for voters, and DO good for donors." This thread has looked at the voters part - the party 'looks' good to them for doing nothing, blocking, does no good.

Do they do good?

After a historic increase in the concentration of wealth, after it peaked just befoe the great depression, the plummeted for decades, and now rose to exceed the previois record, answers.

The fact that for the first time, a rising tide doesn't lift all boats, but for 30 years the bottom 80% have gotten none of the nation's growth after inflation, while the top 0.01% skyocketed, answers.

The fact that Bush's #1 domestic priority was the tax cuts for the rich as a massive transfer of wealth to the top, borrowed, in a time of skyrocketing deficits answers. THat his #2 priority was to give the top Republican donors (do good for the donors), big pharma, hundreds of billions in unearned tax dollars by creating a massive drug buying program that actually made drugs more expensive formany senions and kicked them off Medicare for any benefit (one less reason for loyalty to Democrats), answers. The fact is #4 priority and his only major loss in 8 years was to privatize Social Security for Wall Street profits and the long-time Republican desire to kill the program that is the most popular program ever, and helps the Democrats politically, as it has slashed elder poverty from 90% to 10%, answers.

But perhapsone of the best answers to who the parties help is the Estate Tax. Created by Democrats before big deficits and needed more now with them, it ONLY taxes estates not only ABOVE several million dollars, but doesn't tax the first several million at all. Economists say it's good for the economy, over dynasties. This is an excellent program, a more painless tax than taxing yet more from the middle class family head. It's clearly directed only at about the top 2% rich, and benefits every else - the poor, the middle class, the well off, allowing for lower taxes for them. Not much clearer indication of who they are helping.

When it was passed, it was part of programs that helped reduced the concentration of wealth from its peaks. In hte last30 years, not even that is right, as the rich have skyrocketed in wealth.

As the top 1% have gone from owning a small percent of wealth to a great percent again (I forget, is it 6% to 24%), you can't argue how they're being hurt and can't pay it.

Only ideology defending a return to the robber baron and poor masses being 'good'.

Meanwhile, the Democrats have overall worked to prevent the reduction and elimiation to the Estate Tax, while Republicans have worked to repeal it. Not much clearer of who they do good for.

If the Republicans had the values stated here, there are taxes to cut to save as much or more money for others, but they pick this one. They say 'but the rich pay most taxes' as an excuse - hiding the fact that as their policies have made the rich skyorcket in wealth, that's why their taxes go up, not keeping up with the wealth. Someone going up 400% in income and paying 100% more in taxes can be made a 'victim' deserving no more taxes.

The thread can still have efforts by Republicans targetted at the middle class in the last 30 years added.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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wha?



So 1 year into the dems rule and you are mad they haven't looked into what bush did? Do you think the repugs are going to investigate iraq or take oil seriously? No I think not. They will be busy praying to their false god.



Been down that road bro. No more :D

I think the Reps will take seriously whatever the Dems do. Maybe they'll oppose it, but they'll take notice.

Iraq needs to be treated forensically. Memories dim, trails fade. Every day which goes by is one little piece of the puzzle which may go missing for good. That is why it's imperative to get to this sort of thing ASAP. International investigators have said that time is not their friend. It's not going to be any different with Iraq.

It just doesn't seem that there's a great deal of presence of mind in either party.

It's "Hi Ho, Hi Ho, it's off to the agenda we go" whistling along merrily without really thinking about what's going on.

DC seems to lack a comprehensive understanding of what lies beyond the Beltway.
 

blackangst1

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wha?



So 3 years into the dems rule and you are mad they haven't looked into what bush did? Do you think the repugs are going to investigate iraq or take oil seriously? No I think not. They will be busy praying to their false god.

Changed for accuracy.
 

glenn1

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With a decent period for responses, the answer has been : none. The Republicans have not passed or attemted to pass a single major piece of legislation targetted for the well-being of the middle or poor.

Instead, the responses have focused on defending this fact. Some of them have said 'the government shouldn't do anything', ignoring the government's crucial role in affecting the economy, and the Republicans' many efforts to improve things for the rich (not one post mentioned this. suggesting supporters don't much understand the party's activities.) The other main defense in the 'blocking' role - the Republicans may not have done anything but they have voted no to the Democrats.

That's an atrocius record, the things is how many supporters don't understand that.

We have a lot of people who not only get nothing, they praise the party for doing so. No wonder they hate government. They have no idea of the American concept of 'government for the people'.

They're stuck in 1900, happy for a few robber barons to give them crumbs and call it freedom. Just as long as they can not see the poor get any crumbs from the government.

The liberals have not good a good job of educating them as to what good and bad government are. The right-wing propaganda machine has blown the liberals' message out of the water.

The statistics have gone in the right direction from far by the liberal policies, but these people don't understand that.

Most of these people have no idea about the liberals, only the things they're told by the right. I doubt almost any of them have ever gone to a single source in my sig for another point of view.

This goes to a larger discussion about parties, but I wanted to ask the right to check.

I've often quoted "politicians have to LOOK good for voters, and DO good for donors." This thread has looked at the voters part - the party 'looks' good to them for doing nothing, blocking, does no good.

Do they do good?

After a historic increase in the concentration of wealth, after it peaked just befoe the great depression, the plummeted for decades, and now rose to exceed the previois record, answers.

The fact that for the first time, a rising tide doesn't lift all boats, but for 30 years the bottom 80% have gotten none of the nation's growth after inflation, while the top 0.01% skyocketed, answers.

The fact that Bush's #1 domestic priority was the tax cuts for the rich as a massive transfer of wealth to the top, borrowed, in a time of skyrocketing deficits answers. THat his #2 priority was to give the top Republican donors (do good for the donors), big pharma, hundreds of billions in unearned tax dollars by creating a massive drug buying program that actually made drugs more expensive formany senions and kicked them off Medicare for any benefit (one less reason for loyalty to Democrats), answers. The fact is #4 priority and his only major loss in 8 years was to privatize Social Security for Wall Street profits and the long-time Republican desire to kill the program that is the most popular program ever, and helps the Democrats politically, as it has slashed elder poverty from 90% to 10%, answers.

But perhapsone of the best answers to who the parties help is the Estate Tax. Created by Democrats before big deficits and needed more now with them, it ONLY taxes estates not only ABOVE several million dollars, but doesn't tax the first several million at all. Economists say it's good for the economy, over dynasties. This is an excellent program, a more painless tax than taxing yet more from the middle class family head. It's clearly directed only at about the top 2% rich, and benefits every else - the poor, the middle class, the well off, allowing for lower taxes for them. Not much clearer indication of who they are helping.

When it was passed, it was part of programs that helped reduced the concentration of wealth from its peaks. In hte last30 years, not even that is right, as the rich have skyrocketed in wealth.

As the top 1% have gone from owning a small percent of wealth to a great percent again (I forget, is it 6% to 24%), you can't argue how they're being hurt and can't pay it.

Only ideology defending a return to the robber baron and poor masses being 'good'.

Meanwhile, the Democrats have overall worked to prevent the reduction and elimiation to the Estate Tax, while Republicans have worked to repeal it. Not much clearer of who they do good for.

If the Republicans had the values stated here, there are taxes to cut to save as much or more money for others, but they pick this one. They say 'but the rich pay most taxes' as an excuse - hiding the fact that as their policies have made the rich skyorcket in wealth, that's why their taxes go up, not keeping up with the wealth. Someone going up 400% in income and paying 100% more in taxes can be made a 'victim' deserving no more taxes.

The thread can still have efforts by Republicans targetted at the middle class in the last 30 years added.

Blah blah blah, Republicans bad Democrats good. Craig, regardless of your politics, your postings are becoming repetitive and boring. Can't you get some new material, bring a new perspective to the table?
 

drebo

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Wall of text.

Translation: *sticks fingers in ears* I'M NOT LISTENING! YOU'RE WRONG, I'M RIGHT! NOT SPENDING MONEY IS BACKWARDS! PROTECTING THE POPULACE FROM THE GOVERNMENT IS BAD! *takes fingers out of ears*
 

drebo

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Bush tax cuts. That was pretty big right there.

Not if you want to fund lots of entitlement programs and give away your nation's wealth to other countries. To liberals and "progressives", tax cuts are bad.
 

JSt0rm

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DC seems to lack a comprehensive understanding of what lies beyond the Beltway.

ok lets assume you are correct. Where the fuck have all you people been during the last decade? You see how little cred ANYONE gets? Bush and his "free speech zones" I mean this republican president was the worst president ever. Just for that the republicans should get nothing for atleast 10 years. Personally I think the party should be dismantled and get some true fiscal conservative social liberal thing going. Until you get rid of the social conservatives and neocons your side has nothing to say.
 

Craig234

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Bush tax cuts. That was pretty big right there.

The Bush tax 'cuts' were a redistribution of wealth to the rich, and a theft from the future America by giving borrowed dollars later Americans have to repay to current voters while deficits increased.
 

JSt0rm

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The Bush tax 'cuts' were a redistribution of wealth to the rich, and a theft from the future America by giving borrowed dollars later Americans have to repay to current voters while deficits increased.

spidey07 thinks the rapture is coming soon anyhow so why give a crap about future debt? or the environment?
 

yankeesfan

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The Bush tax 'cuts' were a redistribution of wealth to the rich, and a theft from the future America by giving borrowed dollars later Americans have to repay to current voters while deficits increased.

How can tax 'cuts' be redistribution of wealth? Tell me how that makes sense.
 

Craig234

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Not if you want to fund lots of entitlement programs and give away your nation's wealth to other countries. To liberals and "progressives", tax cuts are bad.

You are irrational. Let's use this specific topic to show how.

What entitlement programs were not funded because of the Bush tax cuts? Hint: none. Check his deficits.

So much for your first of two points. Now on to giving away our wealth to other countries.

It's not clear what you are even parroting, how not having those cuts would give wealth to other nations. But what is clear is that the borrowed tax cuts did give wealth to other nations.

We borrowed the money - stolen from later Americans - to give to voters today (helps to give voters stolen money). This was done in high deficits, all borrowed, while we're borrowing from other countries.

Soborrown this money meant more debt to other countries, increasing our interest payments to other countries.

Add to that the cuts were weighted to further redistribute wealth to the rich, who are already at record levels of wealth concentration.

That's what you support, contradicting your claims.
 

JSt0rm

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How can tax 'cuts' be redistribution of wealth? Tell me how that makes sense.

maybe because instead of paying for his wars he spent future Americans money to fund the war and spent the money buying weapons and other services from the rich?

Maybe I shouldn't give a fuck either... I don't plan on having kids so why the fuck do I care if they are flying into a wall? Hell the atmosphere of the planet is going to cook off in 1 million years, whats the point?
 

blackangst1

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With a decent period for responses, the answer has been : none. The Republicans have not passed or attemted to pass a single major piece of legislation targetted for the well-being of the middle or poor.


I wouldnt consider the welfare reform bill "nothing"...maybe you do *shrug*
 

blackangst1

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ok lets assume you are correct. Where the fuck have all you people been during the last decade? You see how little cred ANYONE gets? Bush and his "free speech zones" I mean this republican president was the worst president ever. Just for that the republicans should get nothing for atleast 10 years. Personally I think the party should be dismantled and get some true fiscal conservative social liberal thing going. Until you get rid of the social conservatives and neocons your side has nothing to say.

Do you think the same of Democrats?
 

nobodyknows

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ok lets assume you are correct. Where the fuck have all you people been during the last decade? You see how little cred ANYONE gets? Bush and his "free speech zones" I mean this republican president was the worst president ever. Just for that the republicans should get nothing for atleast 10 years. Personally I think the party should be dismantled and get some true fiscal conservative social liberal thing going. Until you get rid of the social conservatives and neocons your side has nothing to say.

Isn't it amazing that after having it their way for the better part of the last 30 years they now see the problems that need fixed. Aren't these they same problems the hard core righties were elected to fix in the first place?

So the party of proven hypocrits want to argue that the other side is hypocrits also, so NOW let's do it the right way??? LMAO!! Don't do as WE do, do as WE say!!
 

Craig234

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How can tax 'cuts' be redistribution of wealth? Tell me how that makes sense.

If you cut one group's taxes more than another's, the effect is to increase their share of wealth.

Conceptually, imagine this.

You say "wealthy, you pay 50% of all taxes. We'll give you 60% of a tax cut. Everyone else, you pay 50% of all taxes. You can have 40% of the tax cut. And the whole thing is borrowed from later Americans."

The effect of this is to shift more wealth to the rich than they would have had - and since it's borrowed, repaid by the public debt to everyone.

While the rich may pay 'more taxes', their income goes up higher percentages than their taxes. Can I double your taxes if I triple your income?

You look at who gets the tax cuts. If one grou gets more cuts, they benefit. If another, they do. The Bush borrowed tax cuts were weighted to give the rich more share of the money. Trillions over time IIRC.