Rick Perry

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Who would you vote for if it were Rick Perry vs. Barack Obama?

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airdata

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I'm not voting for Obama AGAIN. For sure not voting for Perry. probably not going to vote at all if there's not a point in doing it.
 
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There are a lot of rumors going around that he might run for president. I think it would actually make a lot of sense for him to run. Economically speaking, Texas has done quite well under Rick Perry. His economic record would immediately look better than Romney, whose state was 47th in the country for job creation while he was governor, and Tim Pawlenty, who left Minnesota with a huge state deficit. Also, Perry would be able to win over the Tea Party people better than a candidate like Romney could. However, Perry has made some wild statements about secession, and let's not forget how things went the last time a Republican governor from Texas became president.

Where's the face palm smiley when you need it. Rick Perry never brought up Secesion.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/15/governor-says-texans-want-secede-union-probably-wont/

Please tell me where he said Texas should Secede? You can't because he never said it. Some dumb asses started chanting it, and he answered reporters questions on why people were upset.
 

Wreckem

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There are a lot of rumors going around that he might run for president. I think it would actually make a lot of sense for him to run. Economically speaking, Texas has done quite well under Rick Perry. His economic record would immediately look better than Romney, whose state was 47th in the country for job creation while he was governor, and Tim Pawlenty, who left Minnesota with a huge state deficit. Also, Perry would be able to win over the Tea Party people better than a candidate like Romney could. However, Perry has made some wild statements about secession, and let's not forget how things went the last time a Republican governor from Texas became president.

I honestly don't know what you mean by economic record? Texas just got done gutting everything. Projections are Texas unemployment rate is to spike within the next 6-12 months.

And I honestly don't know why the tea party supports him. I guess they dont know his record or ignore parts of his record.

The guy a clown who has show zero leadership since first taking office. His the biggest flip flopper known to man. He has taken cronyism to levels previously unheard of in politics. The state GOP party has rebuked his policies repeatedly over the years. Most elected Republicans do not support him. Did I mention hes ran the state of Texas in to the ground?

This whole dogma of about lower taxation is stupid. Texas is one of the lowest taxed states. The Texas government has know for years that growth would eventually outstrip revenue with our current revenue system. No one did a thing other than start hacking off limbs and screwing future Texans. Texas needs a responsible system of revenue and spending. You don't just gut every thing. Once the impact of the recently passed budget is fully felt, Perry will have problems carrying Texas.
 
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Wreckem

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Everything you say may be right but he is still a breath of fresh air when compaired to our current Fool, Bobo, the Post Turtle.

He is not a breath of fresh air if you are from Texas. I doubt he will run for President because it would expose the fraud that he is. Bush was one of the better Gov's in Texas history. Perry is one of the worst.
 
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Nebor

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This whole dogma of about lower taxation is stupid. Texas is one of the lowest taxed states. The Texas government has know for years that growth would eventually outstrip revenue with our current revenue system. No one did a thing other than start hacking off limbs and screwing future Texans. Texas needs a responsible system of revenue and spending. You don't just gut every thing. Once the impact of the recently passed budget is fully felt, Perry will have problems carrying Texas.

Disagree. Cutting spending on a massive scale is good policy. I did have to laugh when I saw that we cut a ton of money from the forestry fire department while committing a similar amount of money to build an F1 track.

I wonder if we could sell Texas' larger public education institutions to Texas corporations? Sell UT Dallas to Texas Instruments for example, sell Texas A&M to an agricultural conglomerate... Not only would it take the operating costs off the state, but it would give us more money to put in the as of yet untouched rainy day fund.
 

Wreckem

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I said conservatives and Republicans because the liberal members of the board will ignore everything in it and find something else to complain about or throw out false flags such as the education one you did.

You can pull all these numbers out of your ass but the true graduation rate for Texas is 65%, Texas has a 35% dropout rate. Texas is notorious for padding its drop out numbers. Hell schools in DFW, Houston, and San Antonia have as high as 50% dropout rates. Some rural schools do too.

Not to mention, Texas had a teacher shortage, ie: not enough teachers and a high student to teacher ratio before the most recent budget has passed. Texas school districts have already laid of 13,000 teachers, most open positions were closed. Texas legislature is trying to do away with student caps in grade school. Student to teacher ratio is likely to hit great than 40:1 in a lot of school district.s

You have no idea what you are fucking talking about when it comes to Texas or Rick Perry.

You are an idiot if you believe Perry can win the nomination, let alone the General. He has to much baggage. His true record will come out. And well frankly, hes does NOT appeal to moderate or independents in Texas, and I doubt he will to the rest of the country either.
 
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Texashiker

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Disagree. Cutting spending on a massive scale is good policy. I did have to laugh when I saw that we cut a ton of money from the forestry fire department while committing a similar amount of money to build an F1 track.

Cut spending where its not needed.

The issue is, spending was cut where the money "is" needed.

For example, the state of Texas provides certain social services to illegal immigrants. Perry will not stand up and do anything about the illegal immigration issue, due to backlash from the mexican population in Texas. While other states are passing laws dealing with illegal immigrants, Texas sits on its hands.

Texas is doing almost nothing to stop timber companies from stripping the land right down to the top soil - which promotes erosion.

Our school funding is being cut, when the lottery is "suppose" to be generating billions in revenue for the school. With school taxes and the lottery, funding our schools should not even be an issue. Where is all of the money going?

One local Representative was talking about a state income tax, but the Texas constitution prohibits a state income tax without a vote of the people. So I doubt we will ever see a state income tax - which is a good thing.
 
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ElFenix

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Our school funding is being cut, when the lottery is "suppose" to be generating billions in revenue for the school. With school taxes and the lottery, funding our schools should not even be an issue. Where is all of the money going?

football stadiums
 

Wreckem

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Disagree. Cutting spending on a massive scale is good policy. I did have to laugh when I saw that we cut a ton of money from the forestry fire department while committing a similar amount of money to build an F1 track.

I wonder if we could sell Texas' larger public education institutions to Texas corporations? Sell UT Dallas to Texas Instruments for example, sell Texas A&M to an agricultural conglomerate... Not only would it take the operating costs off the state, but it would give us more money to put in the as of yet untouched rainy day fund.

Its never a good thing to cut public school baseline funding(minimum funding REQUIRED by current Texas law) by $4billion dollars.

Texas already spends far less than almost every other state. Making massive spending cuts, when you are already spending a severely inadequate amount is just as irresponsible as spending way more than you bring in.

As for UT and A&M, they are incorporated into the state Constitution, not to mention that the state population would have none of the idea of selling universitys and making them private.
 
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Wreckem

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football stadiums

To my knowledge ALL school building projects, including football stadiums, come from bond elections voted on by the people, not state revenue streams or local taxes(well they do indirectly since bonds are paid back with local taxes).

That leads me to another thing no one seems to care about in Texas. Texas has well beyond over extended itself with bonds. Texas has a staggering amount of debt from bonds. Over the long term, Texas' bond issues are comparable to the Feds medicare problem. Sooner or later that issue will need to be addressed.
 
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Wreckem

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Here is the lottery break down for fy 2010.
$2.3 billion in total prizes
$187 million in commissions to lottery venues
$9 million in retailer bonuses
$185.3 million for administrative expenses
$7.2 million to the Texas Veterans Commission
$87 million in unclaimed prizes goes back the state's General Fund.
Just more than $1 billion to the state's Foundation School Fund.

So no the lottery doesn't pay all that much for public education. Nor does taxation since they fucked with the revenue system a few years ago. Thats the real reason, they cut certain taxes that went to pay for education, and then instituted a different tax and claimed it would produce the same amount of revenue. It hasn't even come close and they knew it wouldn't when they passed it. Strayhorn projected all this shit when she ran for Gov, no one listened. Everyone ignored the writing on the wall since then, even this past election cycle.
 
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Perry actually seems very interesting, but his figures on employment in Texas is bunk, he straddles fringe right-wing territory and low taxes have resulted in a massive 2-yr $20B+ budget deficit. They also have one of the worst standard of livings and income for their population. It's one of the reasons his constituency isn't fond of him.
 

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He's way too conservative, and totally hypocritical in a religious sense. Anyone who is pro life caring for unborn children, but not caring when they are already born, and going to school, isn't really pro life. The stance is that all young people on college campuses should carry guns. Over my dead body will I allow that legislation to become law. Guns are not respected in this country, and if people want to get a gun they should go to school first take a course, and practice with the instructor how to shoot it, practice targetry, and be in good mental health. That should be part of the requirements for a poesssing a gun. This would all be done BEFORE you even take it home. Why should you get more privileges than the police who are professional. It doesn't make good sense. The NRA is out for money...that's it. Or they would be doing this themselves. Perry's a typical, and not in my book. I'm very pro life. The Abortion law was to protect the Drs because kids were aborting themselves. It was a mess. It should never be over turned.
 

a777pilot

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Perry actually seems very interesting, but his figures on employment in Texas is bunk, he straddles fringe right-wing territory and low taxes have resulted in a massive 2-yr $20B+ budget deficit. They also have one of the worst standard of livings and income for their population. It's one of the reasons his constituency isn't fond of him.

Yup, all true. We hate him, "The Haircut", so much that we elected him three times. Nothing says hate like continuing to vote for him.

have resulted in a massive 2-yr $20B+ budget deficit.

Just out of curiousity, what is the two year budget deficit of Bobo, the Post Turtle?
 

Wreckem

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Yup, all true. We hate him, "The Haircut", so much that we elected him three times. Nothing says hate like continuing to vote for him.



Just out of curiousity, what is the two year budget deficit of Bobo, the Post Turtle?

Just because he was elected doesn't mean most like him. Remember one of those elections he didn't even get 50% of the vote. The main reason KBH lost to him is she, being a female, supports a womans right to choose. Which is a stupid reason to vote against someone for when the other person is just a clown. You could poll at random a sampling of registered republicans in Texas and I'd bet he doesn't get 50% of support.

If a lot of Texan's weren't dumbasses who are easily mislead or ones that focus on stupid issues like abortion he wouldn't have been elected. Like I said, the State Republican Party has gone against Perry/rebuked him time and time again. They have several times made it their platform to oppose many of his policies.

Hes has displayed ZERO leadership over the past 10+ years. Dig deep enough and you'll find he is rotten at the core. It will all come out the national level if he decides to run.
 
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Texashiker

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Just more than $1 billion to the state's Foundation School Fund.

So no the lottery doesn't pay all that much for public education.

Texas has 254 counties. I hope my math is right, 1,000,000,000 divided by 254 = $3,937,007

That equals out to almost $4 million per county for the entire state of Texas. I would not call $4 million chump change. Then add to that whatever school tax revenue the counties pull in.

Personally, I think cutting school funding is a stupid move on the part of our elected officials
 

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I said conservatives and Republicans because the liberal members of the board will ignore everything in it and find something else to complain about or throw out false flags such as the education one you did.

It's a terribly one-sided article with mostly baseless claims. No mention of their massive budget deficit or the fact that their average income and standard of living are shit compared to other states.
 

boochi

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Sbeacher,
When states started issuing concealed carry permits, violent crime went down. In North Carolina you have to take a 12 hour class and be proficient handling and firing a handgun before you can get a concealed carry permit. The local sheriffs department then fingerprints you and runs a background check on you. If you are from North Carolina, you are obviously one of our more ignorant residents.
 

Wreckem

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Texas has 254 counties. I hope my math is right, 1,000,000,000 divided by 254 = $3,937,007

That equals out to almost $4 million per county for the entire state of Texas. I would not call $4 million chump change. Then add to that whatever school tax revenue the counties pull in.

Personally, I think cutting school funding is a stupid move on the part of our elected officials

You should be using the # of school districts, not counties. There are approx 1030 school districts. Thats approx. $1million a school district. DISD had a $1.25billion, YES WITH A B, budget for the 2010-2011 school year. That equates to about $1300 off the US average spent per pupil. For 2009/2010 Texas ranked 37th in per pupil expenditures. Historically though Texas ranks in the mid to low 40s in that, and projections have Texas returning to that or worse for the next several years.
 
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Wreckem

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Wreckem, who are you voting for at this point? Your candidate of choice?

I won't make that decision until next year before the Texas Primary. Its way to early to decide on anything. I can tell you who it won't be and that is Obama, Perry, Ron Paul, or Romney.
 
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