rick fox and derek fisher suck.

[keystroker]

I hear you brotha I hated rick fox all through the lakers championships, he had some impressive games last season but that was lucky. Now I think "WHY IS HE OUT THERE?" And fisher wasted a bunch of shots also.

 

[syzygy]

cleveland has the option on andre miller.

 

[AGodspeed]

Wait, what's wrong with the Fish trmiv? His defense, personality, or what?

I just love Horry, and it's not just because he's so gawd damn clutch. He's a great person and caring father. Anyone else read that story in the L.A. Times a while back about Horry's daughter and his general situation in Houston now? A great guy.

All I know about Fox is that Williams is his wife. That SOB!

 

[trmiv]

Originally posted by: AGodspeed
Wait, what's wrong with the Fish trmiv? His defense, personality, or what?

His defense. He's horrible, and never seems to learn. He always goes under the screen against shooters, leaving them wide open. He is constantly getting taken off the dribble by the opposing point guard. He's never been a good defender, but has gotten worse since his foot injuries. His only redeeming quality as a player is hitting that three, and that has not happened at all this post season. His defense just killed the Lakers in the first half. When you are the point guard and your team is playing against a team with a good point guard, the defense starts with you. But, Fisher lets his man by him time and time again, forcing Shaq and the forwards to have to react, and usualy pick up fouls.

 

[BuckleDownBen]

trmiv-
you obviously know nothing about basketball, though you make yourself sound knowledgeable. basketball is a team sport. defense is played by a team. so what if fisher gets beat on the dribble? the way bibby has been playing he will beat any gaurd in the league off the dribble. a team needs role players, which the lakers have. if you want a team full of stars, go root for Portland. but most of all, quit your whining.

 

[kendogg]

Originally posted by: hans007
they have sucked the whole year. and they are still sucking. Man we should trade them away for a 2nd round pick, at least we'd wouldnt have to pay them.

I agree half way. Rick Fox needs to be traded. Plain and simple he has contributed very little over the course of the regular season not to mention the post season (considering he was starting). At times he looks to be very confused on the court. He plays D but has no offense what-so-ever.

Derek Fisher on the other hand has impressed me. I feel that his confidence level is very high. Hes scored crucial clutch points down the stretch when lakers needed the points. His 3 point shooting has improved tremendously. He knows how to take charges like no other guard in the nba. Overall hes contributed a fair amount to the laker team.

Lindsey Hunter needs to go. I dont like him too much. Whenever he gets play time (the little he gets) he feels the need to score. He cant shoot.

 

[trmiv]

Originally posted by: BuckleDownBen
trmiv-
you obviously know nothing about basketball, though you make yourself sound knowledgeable. basketball is a team sport. defense is played by a team. so what if fisher gets beat on the dribble? the way bibby has been playing he will beat any gaurd in the league off the dribble. a team needs role players, which the lakers have. if you want a team full of stars, go root for Portland. but most of all, quit your whining.

what the hell are you talking about? I've been steadfast in my criticism of Fisher all season, and his defensive problems are widely known. I think it's you that hasn't a clue about basketball.

While basketball is a team sport, like every team sport, it takes every player pulling their weight to succeed. Defense IS played by the team, but if the team has to spend time covering up for a poor defensive player, the entire team suffers. I don't care how good the team is collectively, if one player is a weakness, teams will find it, and they will expose it, they are just too good. Guarding the point (along with guarding the pick-and-roll, which involves the point guard as well.) IS the Laker's biggest weakness, and the Kings have exposed it big time. Do you think it's a coincidence the Kings try to feed the Lakers a steady diet of Bibby early and often until the Lakers force someone else to beat them?

Fisher get's beat off the dribble, runs under the same screens that Kobe and Hunter fight through (don't tell me Phil tells him to run under screens, because he's the only guy on the team that does it on a consistent basis)

Do you think it's coincidence Jackson put Kobe on Bibby in the second half? That was the defensive swtitch that IMHO won the game, and it was mainly because of one switch. Do you also think it was a coincidence that Hunter came in as a defensive subsititution on the last play on offense the Kings had?

Fisher has been getting burned by dribble penetration and running under screens all season long, so the problem didn't start with Bibby. The team collectively has been able make up for his lack of defense on the other teams point guard.

And that is just defense. On offense, Fisher has become convinced that the Lakers have a "Big Three" and he is part of it. I love when Fish just plays his role and shoots the open threes. When he has his feet set, and is open, the guy is like a 60% three point shooter. But, when he pulls up off the dribble, or shoots with a man in his face, his percentage is somewhere between 0 and 5%. If he would stick to his role, which is open threes, which he did in last year's playoffs, he'd be fine. But, Fisher is somehow convinced he is the third scored, and can jack up 14 shots like he did today.. A point guard on a team with Shaq and Kobe should not be taking 14 shots, including 7 threes.

And where did I say I wanted a team of stars? Find one place in any post I've made where I said that? I've said the Lakers need to be more athletic, which they do, but I've never said they need more stars. Devean George is an example of an atheltic guy that the Lakers need more of, but he is far from a star. He's a role player like Fox, Horry, etc, but he is athletic enough to provide defense against the quicker teams like Sac and Dallas.

I agree half way. Rick Fox needs to be traded. Plain and simple he has contributed very little over the course of the regular season not to mention the post season (considering he was starting). At times he looks to be very confused on the court. He plays D but has no offense what-so-ever

I think Fox could be on his way out, but I don't agree he hasn't contributed. He was a defensive ROCK against Steve Smith in the Spurs series. I love his defense, and he doesn't over do it on offense, do he's not hurting the Lakers that bad when he's off. The only reason I think he could be gone after this season is, he has some decent trade value to a team looking for a veteren. Plus, Devean needs to be resigned, and he is getting to the point where he is going to be the starting SF. I wouldn't be surprised to see Fox traded, but I don't mind it if he isn't. His defense alone keeps him on the team.

 

[SirDante]

Fox getting credit for Steve Smith's performance? I mean, Smittie is getting old and he is no where as mobile as Turk. Come on, Smith isn't a hard cover these days. He's slower than Fox for god's sake.

 

[trmiv]

Fox still did a great job on him, especially denying him the three, which is what he thrives on. The guy still averages 16 points per game, and against Fox it was 7, so he was doing something right. Denying him the three was the best thing he did though. Fox also did an excellent job on Turkeydoo in game 1.

 

[TheShiz]

they have sucked the whole year. and they are still sucking. Man we should trade them away for a 2nd round pick, at least we'd wouldnt have to pay them.

haha, i like it how people associate themselves with their favorite sports teams, as if they have any shread of influence in what these millionaire players, coaches, and owners decide to do with their money machine.

Tim

 

[FrontlineWarrior]

I'm not a bandwagon Laker fan, but I admit that I was on the DFish bandwagon after last year's Spurs series. My momentary lapse of judgment on this guy is over.

I always knew DFish couldn't create his own shot. I knew he couldn't defend worth crap, other than the charges he creates pretty well. But it was all fine because he was able to hit the WIDE OPEN 3's. Well now he can't even do that! Not only that but he takes so many ill advised shots (as did A LOT of the Laker players in the 2nd half.) Oh yeah, and DFish can't penetrate at all. And he can't pass.

In summary, DFish is only good at: a. taking charges b. hitting wide open 3's. I hope we get a decent PG who can penetrate a little bit and pass well.

Fox is never on my good list, but he isn't on my sh*t list either. He sucks offensively (he is like DFish; he has to be wide open and standing perfectly still to make a shot), but he can at least get some offensive boards and put backs. But he's a good defender (not quick but somehow gets it done), so he's okay in my book. I do wish he'd shut up though. He's been riding on Kobe and Shaq's coattails for a while and been talking a good game for years. He really should shut up.

Devean George - his hustle was critical in keeping the momentum. The loose balls really helped us out. But he is mentally weak. He can't hit the 3, he can't make layups, and takes really bad shots. Not to mention that pass out of bounds for a turnover. I don't think this guy is gonna develop mentally. He has physical skills but he's one of those players that are flashy and only show momentary glimpses of being good. He needs to go or play as the backup. He cannot start.

Mitch Richmond - we bring this guy here to play during the playoffs. He rests all season so he can play now. Yet he spends the entire game on the bench. What kind of crap is that? He's a bust.

Lindsay Hunter - this guy is so robotic that I wonder how he ever gets a pass without turning it over. The Kings can read him like a book. You can almost pinpoint who he's going to pass it to, when he's gonna do it, and where the ball will be. He sucks and needs to go.

Samaki Walker - he was good during the regular season, and showed signs of improving a lot. But now during the playoffs he's a bench warmer. Maybe it serves us right for taking from the San Antonio choke pool.

Shaq - Shaq needs a hook shot soooooooo bad. End of story.

Kobe - how many times is he going to penetrate to the center of the key with 4 guys surrounding him? It seems like he just turns it over most of the time he does that. Do something else for goodness sakes!

I'm done.