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Richland CPUs - Are AMD CPUs the "best bang for the buck"?

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sm625 said:
FX-6300 however can be a very good value. Its 6 cores might be worth the loss in single threaded performance compared to an i3 of the same price range. That depends on what you are doing.
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Agree, the FX6xxx is essentially the only good product AMD got in relation to price.
 
This is an APU thread (Thread Title: "Richland CPUs"). If it's not an APU, take it elsewhere
-ViRGE
 
ShintaiDK said:
Agree, the FX6xxx is essentially the only good product AMD got in relation to price.
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it's not that simple, the 8320 can also be quite good for the money depending on the usage, but, when you consider the entire platform requirements it's harder.

also the Athlon X4s (like 750K-760K Trinity/Richland APU with the IGP off) in general are also quite good price/performance...

and for some specific scenarios the APUs with the IGP enabled are also not to bad (like a 5800K or 5600K, but I still think the 6800K is priced to high)
 
sm625 said:
There are only a few cases where an A10-6800K would outperform a celeron + discrete, but those corner cases arent worth what you give up.
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Graphics wise you are correct, but the CPU portion is actually quite a bit more powerful then a 2.8GHz Celeron (G1830. The 6800K is slightly below low-end Ivy i3 single thread, and beats high-end Ivy i3 in multi thread). The only thing justifying a 6800K over f.x. a 5600/6600 however, is where you are physically incapable of mounting a discrete card. Or you get one of those deals that are hard to refuse... 😉

An APU also requires high speed (>1866MHz) memory to get top performance, you have to factor in that additional cost too.
 
Insert_Nickname said:
An APU also requires high speed (>1866MHz) memory to get top performance, you have to factor in that additional cost too.
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Yup. Memory prices getting high, consolidation on memory manufacturers industry and good possibility of DDR4 being expensive - are all bad things for APUs "bang for buck" ratio.
 
Wow, I thought this thread was about AMD cpu and their potential value. All I know when I price out a Haswell Pentium and a Z87 motherboard, the combined cost is over $200 even with the cheapest Z87 motherboard. Whereas, I can get an AMD Athlon II X4 760k and A88X motherboard for ~$170-200 depending upon brand and features.
With the 760k I can o/c, use cf graphics, and can take any type of DDR3 memory you may already have. If you have the budget then Intel does make sense but for those who are on a tight budget and want to invest a bit more in the graphics dept. then AMD is not a bad choice. AMD these days may not be as efficient as Intel but AMD is not a total dog like some cpu's in the past.
 
pcsavvy said:
AMD these days may not be as efficient as Intel but AMD is not a total dog like some cpu's in the past.
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I agree, AMD has some nice stuff, I know because I use a lot of APU's for custommers. And they never disappoint. The "feel"(no lag) of the APU's is great.
 
pcsavvy said:
Wow, I thought this thread was about AMD cpu and their potential value. All I know when I price out a Haswell Pentium and a Z87 motherboard, the combined cost is over $200 even with the cheapest Z87 motherboard. Whereas, I can get an AMD Athlon II X4 760k and A88X motherboard for ~$170-200 depending upon brand and features.
With the 760k I can o/c, use cf graphics, and can take any type of DDR3 memory you may already have. If you have the budget then Intel does make sense but for those who are on a tight budget and want to invest a bit more in the graphics dept. then AMD is not a bad choice. AMD these days may not be as efficient as Intel but AMD is not a total dog like some cpu's in the past.
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The cheapest Z87 board is something like 95$ on newegg. And the cheapest pentium Haswell is 70$.

But why pair it with Z87 in the first place?
 
bgt said:
I agree, AMD has some nice stuff, I know because I use a lot of APU's for custommers. And they never disappoint. The "feel"(no lag) of the APU's is great.
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Are you saying IGP's have less "lag" than a GPU? 😵
 
Most folks when advising someone on buying Intel on a tight budget usually advice purchasing a Pentium then upgrade to "K" series when one has more money. Folks go on and on about how fantastic Intel is and that AMD couldn't even row a boat.
When comparing the value of similar featured motherboards, AMD mbs are less expensive unless you want to get a top of the line 990 chip.

Edit: Besides if you had an AMD desktop sitting right next to a comparable Intel desktop, could one tell the difference between them from just watching the monitors as it does its daily business. Unless you run benchmarks or tweak to extreme settings in particular games, do you really notice that much of a difference between the two setups?
 
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pcsavvy said:
Most folks when advising someone on buying Intel on a tight budget usually advice purchasing a Pentium then upgrade to "K" series when one has more money. Folks go on and on about how fantastic Intel is and that AMD couldn't even row a boat.
When comparing the value of similar featured motherboards, AMD mbs are less expensive unless you want to get a top of the line 990 chip.
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Are you now talking about the 4-5 year old platform? Your FM2+ argument already got shot down with false Z87/Pentium price.
 
pcsavvy said:
Most folks when advising someone on buying Intel on a tight budget usually advice purchasing a Pentium then upgrade to "K" series when one has more money. Folks go on and on about how fantastic Intel is and that AMD couldn't even row a boat.
When comparing the value of similar featured motherboards, AMD mbs are less expensive unless you want to get a top of the line 990 chip.
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"Most folks" wont even need to upgrade from a basic pentium. Very efficient, good cpu single thread performance, and good enough igpu. That is why except for limited scenarios, AMD apus dont really impress me for desktop use. Plus, if you really are going to want to upgrade to a powerful gpu or to get powerful cpu performance, you are better off to get a platform that you can upgrade to an FX or i5.
 
Here are some prices:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819113348
Athlon II X4 760K = $89.99 (US$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128653
Gigabyte Sniper A88X FM2+/FM2 ATX= $114.99 (US$)


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116950
Intel Pentium G3220 = $69.99 (US$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128595
Gigabyte Sniper Z87 ATX= $379.99 (US$)


AMD = $205 total
Intel= $450 total

This is using the AMD and Intel Gigabyte Sniper motherboards as an example. If you can afford paying a couple hundred dollars more for the higher end Intel cpu so you can o/c, go for it. Of course there are cheaper Z87 boards.
 
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Lonbjerg said:
Are you saying IGP's have less "lag" than a GPU? 😵
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Its about the CPU part, Celerons and Pentiums are laggy chips. The A10-6800K is fast as lightning and not laggy at all. Very good value!
 
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pcsavvy said:
Here are some prices:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819113348
Athlon II X4 760K = $89.99 (US$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128653
Gigabyte Sniper A88X FM2+/FM2 ATX= $114.99 (US$)


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116950
Intel Pentium G3220 = $69.99 (US$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128595
Gigabyte Sniper Z87 ATX= $379.99 (US$)


AMD = $205 total
Intel= $450 total

This is using the AMD and Intel Gigabyte Sniper motherboards as an example. If you can afford paying a couple hundred dollars more for the higher end Intel cpu so you can o/c, go for it. Of course there are cheaper Z87 boards.
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I thought this was a joke at first.
 
pcsavvy said:
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Of course there are cheaper Z87 boards.
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My nomination for understatement of the year. And it's only Jan 2nd.

There is absolutely no reason to compare the branding of 'gigabyte sniper' across platforms like this. There are excellent z87 boards for ~$250 less than that, completely swapping your price comparison.
 
pcsavvy said:
Besides if you had an AMD desktop sitting right next to a comparable Intel desktop, could one tell the difference between them from just watching the monitors as it does its daily business. Unless you run benchmarks or tweak to extreme settings in particular games, do you really notice that much of a difference between the two setups?
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This:thumbsup:
 
pcsavvy said:
Here are some prices:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819113348
Athlon II X4 760K = $89.99 (US$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128653
Gigabyte Sniper A88X FM2+/FM2 ATX= $114.99 (US$)


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116950
Intel Pentium G3220 = $69.99 (US$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128595
Gigabyte Sniper Z87 ATX= $379.99 (US$)


AMD = $205 total
Intel= $450 total

This is using the AMD and Intel Gigabyte Sniper motherboards as an example. If you can afford paying a couple hundred dollars more for the higher end Intel cpu so you can o/c, go for it. Of course there are cheaper Z87 boards.
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I'm so lost with this post. 😕
 
pcsavvy said:
Here are some prices:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819113348
Athlon II X4 760K = $89.99 (US$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128653
Gigabyte Sniper A88X FM2+/FM2 ATX= $114.99 (US$)


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116950
Intel Pentium G3220 = $69.99 (US$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128595
Gigabyte Sniper Z87 ATX= $379.99 (US$)


AMD = $205 total
Intel= $450 total

This is using the AMD and Intel Gigabyte Sniper motherboards as an example. If you can afford paying a couple hundred dollars more for the higher end Intel cpu so you can o/c, go for it. Of course there are cheaper Z87 boards.
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you clearly don't know how to choose your parts, $380 MB, most people here wouldn't even buy that for a $350 CPU, it's just stupid, if you are buying a Pentium, go with H81 boards.

all the essential features are there, performance is the same, and you can easily save $320 from your total :whiste:

you choose the "Sniper" board for both, but fail to acknowledge these are pretty different boards, and the 1150 one is your typical high end overpriced board, and there is a reason they can't get away with a $380 board for FM2+, and it's pretty obvious
 
I apologize that I wasn't clear with this post:

Here are some prices:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819113348
Athlon II X4 760K = $89.99 (US$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128653
Gigabyte Sniper A88X FM2+/FM2 ATX= $114.99 (US$)


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116950
Intel Pentium G3220 = $69.99 (US$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128595
Gigabyte Sniper Z87 ATX= $379.99 (US$)


AMD = $205 total
Intel= $450 total

This is using the AMD and Intel Gigabyte Sniper motherboards as an example. If you can afford paying a couple hundred dollars more for the higher end Intel cpu so you can o/c, go for it. Of course there are cheaper Z87 boards.
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I was just trying to illustrate the cost difference between AMD and Intel motherboards when comparing two similar motherboards. These two m/bs are high end boards for their respective cpus. The A88X chipset is considered the high end chipset for FM2+/FM2 which can support pcie 3.0 with Kaveri upgrade. I was using the Sniper series as an illustration, I realize that there are both AMD and Intel boards at various price points with various features and capabilities. Compromise with either the cpu or motherboard is dependent upon one's system needs and budget.
I am sorry I did this so poorly.
 
bgt said:
Its about the CPU part, Celerons and Pentiums are laggy chips. The A10-6800K is fast as lightning and not laggy at all. Very good value!
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Want to show some benchmarks to back up these claims? Not to mention that A10-6800K doesnt even compete with celerons and pentiums pricewise, but with the i3.
 
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