Rich dentist poaches a lion and ruins his practice

[michal1980]

He plea bargained down to pleading guilty to lying to [onceal his poaching. He also admits to poaching when killing the lion, he just claims not to know he was poaching . . . this time.

But please, continue defending a poacher.

Proof where did he come out and said he poached the lion?

Everything I've read says he thought he paid for a legal hunt.

 

[michal1980]

Because your defense of poaching is sensible, while considering it shameful is not?

He's poached at least twice, and admitted it twice. You're correct though that he has not faced justice for the crimes yet, only for lying about one of the times he poached.

You just like to make shit up don't you?

1)Please show me where I defended poaching.

2)Please show us where he admitted to poaching.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Proof where did he come out and said he poached the lion?

Everything I've read says he thought he paid for a legal hunt.

He admitted to killing the lion. Killing this lion was poaching. Therefore he admitted to poaching, even if he claims he didn't realize at the time that he was illegally hunting a lion lured out of a protected area.

It's possible that he isn't lying this time (even though he plead guilty to lying the last time), in which case he didn't knowingly poach. He just "accidentally" poached. Oops!

 

[JSt0rm]

He admitted to killing the lion. Killing this lion was poaching. Therefore he admitted to poaching, even if he claims he didn't realize at the time that he was illegally hunting a lion lured out of a protected area.

It's possible that he isn't lying this time (even though he plead guilty to lying the last time), in which case he didn't knowingly poach. He just "accidentally" poached. Oops!

However the moment the found the lion and saw the tag was the moment they should of contacted authorities. The fact that they took their prizes and attempted to destroy the collar speaks volumes to their mindset during the encounter.

 

[Icepick]

Proof where did he come out and said he poached the lion?

Everything I've read says he thought he paid for a legal hunt.

He and his "guides" lured the lion out of the preserve by tying raw meat to their truck and proceeded to kill it. Then when they found the tracking device they attempted to cover up their deed by destroying it.

Everything I've read says that is illegal.

 

[m4v3r1ck]

This part sucks:

Cicel* had more brains and balls than his KILLER!

 

[Ns1]

One of these days, some idiot SJW will get pissed off at something stupid you did, and youll never work again. Maybe theyll get pissed that you post so much on the internet, or that youre competing against Canadians who are obviously of lower intellect. But some random loser on the internet takes offense, and your life is ruined.

But that day is not today.

 

[michal1980]

Cicel* had more brains and balls than his KILLER!

and yet was easily lead away into a trap.

 

[Zorander]

and yet was easily lead away into a trap.

Says something about his killer...

 

[Matthiasa]

That he knows lions like meat? Lions tend not be scared of almost anything as it is and this one was even use to people. Anyone could have walked up to it with that being the case.

 

[Jeffg010]

I'm ok with the internet justice mob because the legal justice system failed the first time for what happen with the "black bear incident" If the legal justice system would have done their job right the first time and barred him from ever hunting again, then the lion incident would have never happen. He is getting what he deserves.

 

[chitwood]

And the hits just keep on coming...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-employee-practice-settled-court-127-500.html

Dr. Walter Palmer, the Minnesota dentist who has achieved worldwide notoriety for killing the most famous lion in Africa paid out $127,500 in 2009 to settle a sexual harassment claim, it was revealed today.
The settlement was made to a former employee at his Minneapolis practice who alleged that Dr. Palmer subjected her to 'ongoing and unwelcome sexual harassment by, but not limited to, verbal comments and physical conduct involving her breasts, buttocks and genitalia'.
The woman alleged that Dr. Palmer, who has gone into hiding since he slaughtered Cecil the lion, was asked to stop his behavior, but continued. Her complaint also alleges she also lost her job because she reported his alleged untoward conduct.
According to the claim filed with the Minnesota Board of Dentistry, the employee worked for Dr.Palmer from 1999 to January 2005 and also had dental procedures performed on her by the married father of two.
Dr. Palmer said that he settled financially to 'conclude the matter quickly and efficiently' and it did not amount to any admission of wrongdoing.
The Minnesota Board of Dentistry in reply ruled that the complaint was officially dismissed and Dr. Palmer was required to complete a course in ethics.
This unwelcome revelation about his life follows an unprecedented online and social media backlash against the dentist-hunter for his role in the death of Cecil.

 

[norseamd]

MSP Magazine is scrubbing Dr. Walter Palmer from their website but you can see all their old promoting of him on the cache of their articles.

 

[blankslate]

This guy shot the lion under highly questionable circumstances and Zimbabwe wants to question him.

He has also served probation for poaching a bear in the U.S. from what I've read.

Sorry, but this guy doesn't seem like anyone people who frequent this board should be defending unless they're just playing devil's advocate.

This poacher also gives a bad name to other hunters who responsibly hunt game animals which are not in any way close to being put on the endangered species lists and eat the animals they kill.

Predators in general are not a desirable meat source in comparison to the animals they prey upon so with few exceptions it is useless to hunt them except as phallic symbol trophies. As I recall it's due in part to respective diets of the predators and their prey animals.

I've seen exchanges in this thread over people insulting legitimate hunters who do not poach. To them I say if you eat meat you shouldn't criticize since flesh from wild game is probably better to eat than the antibiotic laden meat that comes from most farms where they harvest cattle and chicken.

Additionally, a responsible hunter is much less likely to cause suffering to the animals they kill compared to the suffering that the livestock harvested for flesh at farms generally experience.


As more and more information comes out about this poacher I just shake my head at the people defending this asshole... and what a surprise it looks to be some of the usual suspects we see spouting nonsense in P&N.



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[Brainonska511]

Sorry, but this guy doesn't seem like anyone people who frequent this board should be defending unless they're just playing devil's advocate.

I don't think the guy is an upstanding citizen and frankly, he's a jerk and a poacher, but I don't think we should all be jumping on board the internet hate machine to totally ruin his life.

 

[blankslate]

I don't think the guy is an upstanding citizen and frankly, he's a jerk and a poacher, but I don't think we should all be jumping on board the internet hate machine to totally ruin his life.

Well if he learned his lesson from that poaching incident that put him on probation for a year and as I recall required him to pay a fine I'd agree with your statement more but it's looking more and more like he's also very much responsible for his present predicament as additional information comes out.

Much of my previous post was about hunting vs poaching in general and if that's interpreted as jumping on the internet hate machine then oh well... personally I just think he should be extradited to Zimbabwe to answer charges of poaching and be done with it.

It's not like he doesn't already have a track record in that regard among other things if post the link in post #287 is accurate.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/walter-palmer-extradition_55b8ce10e4b0a13f9d1ad47d

More than 40,000 people have signed a White House petition calling for Minnesota dentist Walter Palmer to be extradited to Zimbabwe to face justice for killing a beloved lion named Cecil.

Legal experts say it could happen.

First, the grisly and disturbing background: Palmer allegedly paid two Zimbabwean men $55,000 for what may have been the illegal killing of the famously black-maned animal.

"Ongoing investigations to date suggest that the killing of the lion was illegal since the land owner was not allocated a lion on his hunting quota for 2015. Therefore, all persons implicated in this case are due to appear in court facing poaching charges," reads a joint statement released by Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management and the Safari Operators Association of Zimbabwe.

The landowner and the professional hunter who allegedly lured Cecil out of the Hwange National Park so that Palmer could shoot him with a bow and arrow -- and then track him for 40 more hours before shooting him with a gun -- were in court on Wednesday. The BBC reports that the two were each granted $1,000 bail and face possible sentences of up to 15 years in prison.


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No news has yet emerged about Zimbabwe requesting Palmer's extradition. But legal observers said that if the request were made, it might well be granted.

A bilateral extradition treaty between the U.S. and Zimbabwe has been in effect since April 2000. The treaty applies to anyone charged with or convicted of "an extraditable offense," which is defined as "one punishable under the laws of both Contracting States by deprivation of liberty for a period of more than one year or by a more severe penalty."

The idea of being punishable in both countries is called "dual criminality" -- or, in plain language, means that what Palmer did in Zimbabwe would also have to be illegal in the United States, explains Jens David Ohlin, a Cornell law professor who is an expert in international and criminal law. Ohlin thinks that rule "seems pretty easily satisfiable" in this case.

Eric T. Freyfogle, a University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign law professor who specializes in wildlife law, agrees. "The general type of conduct involved -- unlawful poaching of big game -- is certainly a crime in the U.S.," he said.

Freyfogle added that Palmer's alleged conduct could subject him to a number of other federal and state criminal provisions, among them animal cruelty laws and the Lacey Act, which "makes it a federal crime to 'purchase in interstate or foreign commerce' any wildlife taken in violation of any foreign law."

So it seems like there is a legal option for him to be extradited to Zimbabwe. It would be nice if certain parties looked into this before deciding it's cool to threaten the poachers life.



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[Linux23]

However the moment the found the lion and saw the tag was the moment they should of contacted authorities. The fact that they took their prizes and attempted to destroy the collar speaks volumes to their mindset during the encounter.

Yep. Pretty much this.

Fuck that spineless motherless fuck!!!!

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Really? The mob calling for this guys life qualifies as adults?

No, the adults are hopefully trying to decide how legal it is to extradite him back to Zimbabwe. The knee-jerk responders calling for vigilante justice are providing no value to the conversation.

 

[IronWing]

When I was learning to read I was in the "Leo group" because our reading book had a lion on the cover. So F this guy.

 

[shortylickens]

I don't think the guy is an upstanding citizen and frankly, he's a jerk and a poacher, but I don't think we should all be jumping on board the internet hate machine to totally ruin his life.

It truly is the internet hate machine:


http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/07/29/3685758/science-of-cecil-outrage/

 

[Tombstone1881]

and yet was easily lead away into a trap.

Why do you defend this guy?
Because he's a fellow conservative and conservatives can do no wrong?

 

[Fenixgoon]

It truly is the internet hate machine:


http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/07/29/3685758/science-of-cecil-outrage/

yep.

while it's a shitty thing to do, and i'm sure the guy will pay for it, isn't ruining his life is just as bad as poaching an animal?

the other thing that cracks me up is when people get upset at legitimate hunting/herd culling. like the guy who paid 300k? to shoot a rhino. it was a threat to its own herd and needed to be removed to improve the population. not only that, but the funds from the hunt would help protect the rhinos. but people were like "oh noooo you can't hunt an animal!"

 

[Grey_Beard]

The part that continues to boggle my mind, as information comes to light, is that this guys has had many issues over the years. He had an incident with a black bear. He has a settlement from a sexual harassment case. Now this. The black bear incident had a plea and was not poaching, as the group seemed to decide to lie, in which he was only convicted of lying to a Federal official and not poaching. Then the sexual harassment settlement where he actually fired the person who reported him. In his settlement (aka plea deal #2) there was the stipulation that he had to take an ethics class. It seems the close call in 2005 and the ethics class had no impact. I guess making bank fixing grills makes you above it all (as I will always be amazed that a dentist can make this kind of bank and teachers go without a decent income).

Then you pay a somebody $50,000 and then claim you had no clue what they were doing. What? I bet if he bought a $50,000 piece of equipment for his dental practice he would have been trained, would have asked all kinds of questions about its operation and how it works within his practice. In his instance though, he paid $50,000 and said, never mind, I really do not need the money since I have so much, but would love to bag a lion while I am here, can you guys help me? These "professional" hungers take the money and here we are.

I find this really hard to believe. Most folks with this kind of background (highly educated) ask questions, especially when they dole out all that cash to a stranger on a hunting trip. Frankly, I do not buy any of it.

He lacks ethics, he lacks morals, he is bankrupt in many ways. Although I do not like the internet rage against him, I can see this as a result of his actions. I will not jump on that bandwagon. The diverse medical profession needs less of these folks who are not very ethical, as he has portrayed ethical lapses during events over the years, so his loss is not a bad thing since it may leave room for a more ethically centered, morally astute replacement.

This is very unfortunate in many respects, but this person's lack of ethical boundaries is the basis for all of the things that have and will continue to happen to this guy.

That Twitter account was very funny.

At times the Internet seems more like a social experiment than a communication medium.

 

[michal1980]

Why do you defend this guy?
Because he's a fellow conservative and conservatives can do no wrong?

being against a mob = defending the guy?

 

[Auric]

It's not true that Walter Palmer raped and killed a girl in 1990. So if you have any proof that Walter Palmer raped and killed a girl in 1990, stop gossiping and go right to the police with it.