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[Mill]

<< Millenium - Mustangs are so overrated. I've seen numerous Integra Type R's and other (weaker) imports completely dust 'Stangs. Hell I know guys who lay the smack down on 5.0's with Turbo 4's and N/A V6's. My point is: mustangs are overrated. >>



Ok... then why does my friend run 9.80's in his 2000 Type-R? I am talking 1/8 mile. I ran 9.16 bone stock with my car and it is an automatic. With a few mods I run 9.03 with a mediocre 60ft. With Nitto Drag Radials, I will be able to cut my 60 ft from around 2.19-2.2's to 1.9x or lower. That would put me running anywhere from 8.80's to 8.90's. Also, I could do even better with some ET streets. If you know anything about drag racing then you know the difference between a 9.80 and a 9.03 is pretty large. My friend's 2001 z28 ran a 8.59 with just an exhaust cutout. The vette runs circles around the Type-R. Now let me answer your questions about 700 HP supras. I would say there are quite a few 350-425 hp supras, but I know from many readings on import forums, GM Forums, Ford Forums, etc... that a 700 HP wouldn't be a daily driver nor are they as common as 700 HP Fords, GMs or even Dodge. Achieving gobs of rwhp on a 99-01 Mustang GT is not as hard as you think. A novi 2000 running 10-12 PSI of boost in easily bringing 370+ RWHP to the new 99-01.



<< Just picked up the October issue of MM&amp;FF. They put a Paxton Novi 2000 onto a Roush GT, that had the side exhaust, bassani x, kenne bell boost-a-pump, and a C&amp;L 80mm mass air. The car made 404 rwhp @ 5800rpm
and 374 lbs.ft. @5100rpm >>



A Roush GT consists of mainly body kit, exhaust, k&amp;n and a few other bolt ons. Let us look at the cost of a Supra(BTW is not longer made). A decent low-mid mileage supra still runs you anywhere from 25k and way up. Running as much boost as you need to get 700 rhwp requires forged internals and a lot of other engine work. The LS1 and the 5.0, have a lot cheaper parts than a supra. I would venture to say that a 4.6 modular has cheaper parts as well. If I wanted 400 RWHP right now it would cost me around 1000$. Port and Polish Heads, 100-150 shot of nitrous and slicks.

Lets compare the supra to a cobra. The cobra is still a lot cheaper but they are closer in stock performance than a GT. Numerous Cobras are making 450+ rwhp with a blower, a good tune and some bolt ons. I know a guy personally here in town with a yellow 98 cobra. 525 RWHP and the 1/4 in 10.86 spinning pretty bad. He is more than likely getting bigger slicks and maybe more boost. You want to compare GM? An LS1 with a turbo, or a blower, NOS, or even just a MTI heads and cam package will kill a Supra with BPU and Bolt-ons. A lot of the guys with the MTI heads and cams make over 400 RWHP. That is Naturally Aspirated! The package is not expensive either.

Anything else?

 

[Mill]

Oh and how many Skylines are imported to the U.S.?

 

[bUnMaNGo]

Millenium: as far as I know (from personal experience), one =P I saw one a few months ago in Irvine, CA... www.skyline-gtr.com check it out for yourself =)

 

[LAUST]

How much is this Skyline... if were gonna just say all cars and never count a price... well any speed can be reached for a price... Callaway made one back in the 80's called the Sledgehammer that beat EVERY car maker in the world's land record... He used a Corvette Chassis to build this vehicle.

 

[Ne0]

I called some kid a riceboy because of all the upgrades he did to his Civic. Well, he replied and called me a computer riceboy nerd for upgrading my computer &amp; overclocking it. We look at them in disgust at times, and they do the same to us.

 

[lupin]

heh. another american versus rice thread.

 

[geno]

Millenium, what about the 1/4 times? Why did you bring up 1/8 times??



<< Oh and how many Skylines are imported to the U.S.? >>


Not many - but that still doesn't mean that they can't kick the crap out of a Mustang

 

[Psychoholic]

<< Millenium, what about the 1/4 times? Why did you bring up 1/8 times?? >>


Maybe there's no 1/4 mile track nearby. He was speaking from his personal experiance at the track. Since the nearest 1/4 mile track to me is 2-1/2 hours away I would be quoting 1/8 mile times too.



<< Not many - but that still doesn't mean that they can't kick the crap out of a Mustang >>


As far as a Skyline goes it a road racer not a drag car. The road race suspension wouldn't work for shit at the strip. Let's see how long that motor in the Skyline lasts pushing that much power. There's no substitute for cubic inches and a good V8 will outlast that overtuned import garbage.

How many Skylines do you own genocide?? If you have a car that outrun a well set up Mustang I suggest you put your money where your mouth is, otherwise you don't know squat about real racing. Reading magazines doesn't account for crap.

 

[Mill]

Skylines cost 80k in Japan. Importing them are even more expensive. The closest 1/4 mile track is over a hour away. There are three 1/8 mile tracks that are a lot closer. 80k+ vs 22-25k for a loaded Trans Am or z28 or Mustang GT. If we bring the Skyline in, them I am going to talk about the Z06 or the Cobra R. Both would be a good match if not beat the Skyline is Road Courses and at the strip. BTW, both still are way less than the Skyline. Yeah the Cobra R has undergone a lot of dealer markup, but they still can be found for not too much of a mark up. The Z06 is very very cheap compared to a Skyline.

 

[Psychoholic]

Hey Millenium, what do you want to bet genocide actually drives a new Volkswagen???

 

[geno]

<< overtuned import garbage >>


Hahahha, ok, im sure you're kidding there, but I'll let it slide.

And I don't read magazines, I know people. I've seen many international drag meets where the American cars walk away with their tails in between their legs. And if you say that a good suspension has nothing to do with 1/4 times, well, then you just don't know what you're talking about. Point is, you wanted to compare America's finest to Japans finest.



<< Both would be a good match if not beat the Skyline is Road Courses and at the strip >>


Hahah, ok, let's get something straight, there is no way in hell a Mustang could outhandle a Skyline - period.




<< How many Skylines do you own genocide??/Let's see how long that motor in the Skyline lasts pushing that much power. >>


Wow- two irrelivent sentances in one post, good for you! Tell me what either of those statements have to do with this thread.



<< ?? If you have a car that outrun a well set up Mustang I suggest you put your money where your mouth is, otherwise you don't know squat about real racing >>


Ok, so since I don't realize the &quot;awesome&quot; power of a Mustang, that means I don't know anything about racing??? Holy crap man, please think before you post because you're all over the place here....

 

[LAUST]

Don't get me wrong I love that all cars supple competition without it well that would be boring... Just defending why the Stang will always be a great car.

 

[Psychoholic]

<< And if you say that a good suspension has nothing to do with 1/4 times >>


No that is not what was said. What was said is there is a big difference detween and supension setup for drag racing and road racing.



<< Wow- two irrelivent sentances in one post, good for you! Tell me what either of those statements have to do with this thread. >>


Exactly how are those statement irrelevant??? Since you &quot;know&quot; so much about a Skyline I asked if you had one. The other relates to durability, which isn't hard to figure out that durability on a car like that would be nil. I've seen a few imports that could run low tens in the 1/4 mile, but they had to be torn down and inspected every run. I just pointed out durability, but then again you must think there aren't limits to the power derived from an engine block.



<< Ok, so since I don't realize the &quot;awesome&quot; power of a Mustang, that means I don't know anything about racing??? Holy crap man, please think before you post because you're all over the place here.... >>


The power of a Mustang isn't awesome, it's just pretty good from the factory. The big plus is it's easy to modify. You can make a Mustang run faster than a Skyline for a whole lot less money.



<< And I don't read magazines, I know people. I've seen many international drag meets >>


So you're saying you don't know anything about racing firsthand and that you're just a bench racer right?? To me it's the same as getting something out of a magazine. Or do you get your seat time playing Gran Turismo???




I tell you what you go buy your Skyline, genocide. I'll take half the money you spend on it, buy a new Mustang, throw a few bolt-ons on it and hand your ass back to you on a silver platter. I'll still have enough left over from what you had spend on your precious Skyline to make a downpayment on a house.

 

[geno]

OK, now you're getting into mods...which has nothing to do with the stock car except for how well they make way for the mods. Do yourself a favor and look through some Skyline/Supra owner's lists. I was at a Supra Registry before and 85% of them had over 600HP. So if it's mods you're talking about, take a Supra and bolt on a big fat Twin Turbo kit and you'll already have a beast. I know Mustangs are above average, but they're just not well rounded cars. Take a Skyline for instance, they have AWD which is great for handling, and it has a system that transfers torque when the car starts slipping in a turn. So it's strong, and it effeciently puts power to the road. The Mustang's suspension isn't exactly world class, which is why I say it's not as well rounded.

P.S., a Supra can be had for around 20k and the Turbo mods aren't much more.... how much would it cost you to build a Mustang that could trash a 700HP Supra?

 

[geno]

and I'd like to reiterate: This isn't about cost (it can be if you'd like it that way). I'm merely comparing Japan's best to America's best, plain and simple. Bring up the Viper even if you want, knock yourself out...

 

[geno]

(wow, I should just edit my other post(s))


<< I've seen a few imports that could run low tens in the 1/4 mile, but they had to be torn down and inspected every run. I just pointed out durability, but then again you must think there aren't limits to the power derived from an engine block. >>


Oh, I wholeheartedly believe that. Japan relies on smaller displacement engines with big ass turbos on them, I definitly believe that this type of setup would be less reliable than a Supercharged 5.0 which is under less stress/can handle the stress.

 

[Layzie]

I can tell you from experience that a stock ITR is not faster than stock 5.0. Yeah I got a friend that you might know that has a Type-R, Weve raced numerous times and have only been beaten once, but that was driver error, when I win it is usually between 2-3 car lenghts. Think about it 2-3 carlenghts is quite a way. Now me and my friend are not professional drivers, were still in our teens, so I might be a better driver than him if you say that they are in a tie.


BTW: That is the only Type-R I have ever raced.

 

[Psychoholic]

<< OK, now you're getting into mods...which has nothing to do with the stock car except for how well they make way for the mods. >>


All cars are basically bare blocks with &quot;mods.&quot;. All your're doing is paying Nissan a fortune for putting them on for you in a Skyline. Some cars start with different sized blocks, some are built a little stronger, but a block is just a block.



<< P.S., a Supra can be had for around 20k >>


Hate to see how old that one would be.



<< how much would it cost you to build a Mustang that could trash a 700HP Supra? >>


Since you're starting with a used Supra do I get to start with a used Mustang??? If so I can do it for a lot less than 20,000. Forced induction isn't that expensive.



<< This isn't about cost >>


It's not??? You're telling me it's not about cost when you're saying a 60,000 dollar car can outrun a car that costs 25,000?? I would certainly hope your Skyline would from the factory for that price. You're comparing apples to oranges anyway when you compare cars like this from two vastly different price ranges. As for me give me a nice V8 rumble over a riced-over fart-can exhaust anyday.

 

[geno]

<< Hate to see how old that one would be. >>


5 years...in that range. How much do you think it'd take to smash a 700HP car?



<< As for me give me a nice V8 rumble over a riced-over fart-can exhaust anyday >>


(I know you're gonna love this...) The next Skyline (Don't think I'm a worshipper of these things, just making a point) is going to be packing a V8 (turboed)....*shrug*, just thought you'd like to know.

 

[Layzie]

Y not talk about cars you really own.

For Example: &quot;My Saturn can Smoke your Kia&quot;

edit: smiley, dont want no beef.

 

[geno]

Layzie, get back to me in a few weeks when I get my new car

 

[Psychoholic]

<< How much do you think it'd take to smash a 700HP car? >>


It has been done several times on a basically stock block with a lot of boost. BTW most of the Mustangs I have seen that have done this were still street legal. Several were in California and we all know how the sniffer tests are there.



<< The next Skyline (Don't think I'm a worshipper of these things, just making a point) is going to be packing a V8 (turboed) >>


At least their heading in the right direction!!!

 

[Mill]

Hate to bring up magazines but...

From Road and Track


Z06 Vette

0?60 mph: 4.6 sec
0?1/4 mile: 13.0 sec
Top speed: est 171 mph
Skidpad: 1.00g
Slalom: 67.1 mph
Brake rating: very good
List Price: est $45,000
Price as Tested: est $45,870
Price as tested incl std equip. (dual airbags, ABS, stability control, traction control, leather upholstery, auto. climate control, AM/FM/stereo/cassette/CD, keyless entry, anti-theft system, trip computer, compass, tilt steering; pwr seats, windows, mirrors &amp; door locks; memory mirrors, driver?s power seat and radio), luxury tax (est $375), dest charge ($495).


Nissan Skyline

The Nissan registered 0.89g on the skidpad and danced through the slalom at 60.8 mph. Stopping the car are Brembo brakes with vented discs and ABS. They brought it to halt from 60 mph in 120 ft. and from 80 mph in 204.At the test track, our bright blue test car ran to 60 mph in just 5.2 seconds and reached the quarter mile in 13.7. Because our test car had only 350 miles on the odometer (and the engine hadn't been properly broken in), we are confident that slightly faster acceleration times are possible after more mileage is accrued. The right-hand-drive, third-generation Skyline GT-R will be sold for $89,500


2000 Cobra R

Vehicle configuration Front engine, rear drive two-door, two-pass. coupe
Engine type V-8, DOHC, 4 valves/cyl.
Displacement, ci/cc 330.1/5409
Engine modifications Carillo connecting rods, forged pistons, McLeod aluminum flywheel, higher-flow aluminum cylinder heads, Cobra 5.4-liter intake/exhaust cams, tubular-steel exhaust headers, low-restriction two-piece Cobra 5.4 intake manifold, higher-flow single-bore 80mm throttle body, K&amp;N air filter
Horsepower, hp @ rpm, SAE net 385 @ 5700
Torque, lb-ft @ rpm, SAE net 385 @ 4500
Transmission type 6-speed manual
Tires/wheels BFGoodrich g-Force KD 265/40ZR18/18x19.5 forged aluminum alloy
Other modifications Fuel cell, front splitter air dam, rear-deck spoiler, power-dome hood, Brembo four- piston front calipers, Eibach springs, induction- hardened halfshafts, 3.55 rear axle, T-56 Tremec six-speed manual, Borla mufflers
PERFORMANCE
Acceleration, sec
0-30 mph 2.0
0-40 mph 2.7
0-50 mph 3.6
0-60 mph 4.4
0-70 mph 5.7
0-80 mph 7.0
0-90 mph 8.5
0-100 mph 10.6
Standing quarter mile, sec/mph 12.9/110.8
Braking, 60-0 mph, ft 109
Lateral acceleration, g 1.01
Speed through 600-ft slalom, mph 71.1
PRICE
Base price (stock) $54,995
Price as tested $54,995




Um... so how does the Cobra and Vette not win. Whats funny is they are availible, cheaper, faster and better handlers. Yes, the Cobra R doesn't have a radio or an AC. The Z06 does have great leather, awesome gauges, radio, AC and all normal Corvette options. It would be pretty easy, albeit dumb IMHO to put an AC or Radio in the R if you bought one.

Please refute that. Their is no way in hell you can tell me that the Skyline is better. Oh, looks like your mighty AWD, high tech, turbocharged 89,000 dollar car lost to two RWD American cars. Please don't make me bring up the Viper GTS-R. Thanks a million! Hope you learn something about cars one day. Oh and when you get you car, I can find someone with a Mustang or LS1 to race you. Road Course or Drag Strip. Many people in the New 99 Cobras(Not the R) road race them. The new IRS is really great for road racing. I know the Z06 is a great road racer, even the stock LS1 Corvette is a great roadracer an strip racer.

Now that I have given hardcore proof. Please Please Please give me some evidence or some links that show the Skyline is better. How do you beat the Value of a Z06 vette? The performance and looks of the new Cobra R? Oh, and when the Skylines actually have more than 5 cars on the road in america, let me know. Although it might be a while.

Oh BTW, I am still waiting on the links that show 85% of Supras are 700 RWHP+ I also would like to see a low-mid mileage 94-98 Supra for a good price. I seriously doubt 20k. Also, I don't want one that is dogged out. Funny thing is... I like Supras, I test drove one. It was out of my price range at the time. I would still love to have one. They are really great cars. Too bad you see them and the Skyline as the best cars in the world. So when you get your Skyline, 700 RWHP+ Supra or Civic Si LMK, I will find someone in your area. Just e-mail me or post here.

 

[Valhalla1]

I got a copy of this on mp3, some dood singing it. kinda stoopid tho

 

[Valhalla1]

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