Rice Confirmed - 85-13

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: maddogchen
13? thats it? 30 democrats voted for her? BAH!

D.I.N.O.'s they are.

you know what, if you only have 13 senators that aren?t "by name only" then I?ll be very happy to pass all sorts of republican constitutional amendments.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
but I like to think for myself.

85 people think you are wrong and 13 people think you are right. That is a mandate in a democracy, and it makes the stupid part, fall in your argument. But no, it doesn't mean that you can't think that way...

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Rainsford
but I like to think for myself.

85 people think you are wrong and 13 people think you are right. That is a mandate in a democracy, and it makes the stupid part, fall in your argument. But no, it doesn't mean that you can't think that way...

How so? Because you say so?

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Rainsford
but I like to think for myself.

85 people think you are wrong and 13 people think you are right. That is a mandate in a democracy, and it makes the stupid part, fall in your argument. But no, it doesn't mean that you can't think that way...

How so? Because you say so?

Yes, the same way rainsfords post implies that this is a stupid idea, because he says so.

The same way you imply Kennedy was not questioning the qualifications of Dr. Rice, because you say so.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Rainsford
but I like to think for myself.

85 people think you are wrong and 13 people think you are right. That is a mandate in a democracy, and it makes the stupid part, fall in your argument. But no, it doesn't mean that you can't think that way...

How so? Because you say so?

Yes, the same way rainsfords post implies that this is a stupid idea, because he says so.

The same way you imply Kennedy was not questioning the qualifications of Dr. Rice, because you say so.

and why are those senators "brave"...because you say so?

 

[conjur]

Kennedy wasn't questioning the qualifications of Rice. Did he mention her degrees or other work experience? No. He was referring to her complicity in justifying an unjust war. Big difference.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: conjur
Kennedy wasn't questioning the qualifications of Rice. Did he mention her degrees or other work experience? No. He was referring to her complicity in justifying an unjust war. Big difference.

I don't know. That is why I asked up there about the Kennedy remarks. I was unable to find a link to them to answer this question.

Then :music: someone :music: decided to make a pissing contest out of it.


But, since you say so, I will just take your word for it. I really must get back to my work now, have a nice day.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: conjur
Those brave Senators opposed:

Boxer
Kennedy
Levin
Durbin
Byrd
Kerry
Jeffords
Reed
Dayton
Akaka
Lautenberg
Harkin
Bayh

So, out of the whole lot, we have 13 honest Senators. Wow. This country is in deep trouble. The Frontline last night was enough to scare the crap out of me, this only adds to it.

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I wonder why Zell Miller (AKA TastesLikeChicken) didn't challenge these 13 to a duel?

"Spitballs Chris!"

lol

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: conjur
Kennedy wasn't questioning the qualifications of Rice. Did he mention her degrees or other work experience? No. He was referring to her complicity in justifying an unjust war. Big difference.

I don't know. That is why I asked up there about the Kennedy remarks. I was unable to find a link to them to answer this question.

Then :music: someone :music: decided to make a pissing contest out of it.


But, since you say so, I will just take your word for it. I really must get back to my work now, have a nice day.

Pissing contest? You might have. I was trying for accuracy.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/index.php?p=5

Sen. Kennedy?s remarks on Condoleezza Rice

Mr. President, I intend to oppose Condoleezza Rice?s nomination. There is no doubt that Dr. Rice has impressive credentials. Her life story is very moving, and she has extensive experience in foreign policy.

In general, I believe the President should be able to choose his Cabinet officials. But this nomination is different, because of the war in Iraq. Dr. Rice was a key member of the national security team that developed and justified the rationale for war, and it?s been a catastrophic failure, a continuing quagmire. In these circumstances, she should not be promoted to Secretary of State.

There is a critical question about accountability. Dr. Rice was a principal architect and advocate of the decision to go to war in Iraq, at a time when our mission in Afghanistan was not complete and Osama bin Laden was a continuing threat because of our failure to track him down.

In the Armed Services Committee before the war, Generals advised against the rush to war. But Dr. Rice and others in the Administration pressed forward anyway, despite the clear warnings.

Dr. Rice was the first in the Administration to invoke the terrifying image of a nuclear holocaust to justify the need to go to war in Iraq. On September 9, 2002, as Congress was first considering the resolution to authorize the war, Dr. Rice said: ?We don?t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.?

In fact, as we now know, there was significant disagreement in the intelligence community about Iraq?s nuclear weapons program. But Dr. Rice spoke instead about a consensus in the intelligence community that the infamous aluminum tubes were for the development of nuclear weapons.

On September 8, 2002, she said the aluminum tubes ?are only really suited for nuclear weapons programs.? On July 30, 2003, she said ?the consensus view of the American intelligence agency? is that the tubes ?were most likely? for use in nuclear weapons.

Dr. Rice continually spoke of the ?contacts between Al Qaeda and Iraq? and the ?connection? between Al Qaeda and Saddam. In fact, as we now know, there was no operational link between Iraq and Al Qaeda ­ as the 9/11 Commission has confirmed.

On the eve of the war, many of us argued that inspectors should be given a chance to do their job and that America should share information to facilitate their work. In a March 6, 2003 letter to Senator Levin, Dr. Rice assured the Congress that ?United Nations inspectors have been briefed on every high or medium priority weapons of mass destruction, missile, and UAV-related site the U.S. Intelligence Community has identified.?

In fact, we had not done so. Dr. Rice was plain wrong. The Intelligence Committee?s report on prewar Intelligence concluded ?Public pronouncements by Administration officials that the Central Intelligence Agency had shared information on all high and moderate priority suspect sites with United Nations inspectors were factually incorrect.?

Had Dr. Rice and others in the Administration acknowledged publicly that the U.S. had not shared all information, it might have changed the course of history. The rush to war might have been stopped. We would have stayed focused on real threat, kept faith with our allies, and would be safer today.

America is in deep trouble in Iraq today because of our misguided policy and the quagmire is very real. Nearly 1400 of our finest men and women in uniform have been killed, and more than 10,000 have been wounded.

We know now know that Saddam had no nuclear weapons program, and no weapons of mass destruction of any kind. The war has not made America safer from the threat of Al Qaeda. Instead, as the National Intelligence Council recently stated, the war has made Iraq a breeding ground for terrorism that previously did not exist.

As a result, the war has made us less secure, not more secure. It has increased support for Al Qaeda, made America more hated in the world, and made it much harder to win the real war against terrorism ­ the war against Al Qaeda.

Before we can repair our broken policy, the Administration needs to admit that it is broken. Yet, in two days of confirmation hearings, Dr. Rice categorically defended the President?s decision to invade Iraq, saying, ?The strategic decision to overthrow Saddam Hussein was the right one.?

She defended the President?s decision to ignore the advice of General Eric Shinseki, the Army Chief of Staff, who felt that a larger number of troops would be necessary if we went to war. She said, ?I do believe that the plan and forces that we went in with were appropriate to the task.?

She refused to disavow shameful acts of torture that have undermined America?s credibility in Iraq and the world. When Senator Dodd asked her whether in her personal view, as a matter of basic humanity, the interrogation techniques amounted to torture, she said, ?I?m not going to speak to any specific interrogation techniques. The determination of whether interrogation techniques are consistent with our international obligations and American law are made by the Justice Department. I don?t want to comment on any specific interrogation techniques. I don?t think that would be appropriate, and I think it would not be very good for American security.?

Yet, as Secretary of State, Dr. Rice will be the chief human rights official for our government. She will be responsible for monitoring human rights globally, and defending America?s human rights record. She cannot abdicate that responsibility, or hide behind the Justice Department as Secretary of State.

Dr. Rice also minimized the enormous challenge we face in training a competent Iraqi security force. She insisted that 120,000 Iraqis have now been trained, when the quality of training for the vast majority of them is obviously very much in doubt.

There was no reason to go to war in Iraq when we did, the way we did, and for the false reasons we
were given. As a principal architect of our failed policy, Dr. Rice is the wrong choice for Secretary of State. We need instead a Secretary who is open to a clearer vision and a better strategy to stabilize Iraq, to work with the international community, to bring our troops home with dignity and honor, and to restore our lost respect in the world.

The stakes are very high and the challenge is vast. Dr. Rice?s failed record on Iraq makes her unqualified for promotion to Secretary of State, and I urge the Senate to oppose her nomination.

'nuff said.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: conjur
Those whiny Senators opposed:

Boxer
Kennedy
Levin
Durbin
Byrd
Kerry
Jeffords
Reed
Dayton
Akaka
Lautenberg
Harkin
Bayh

This list doesn't surprise me - it's basically the kook left of the current crop.

CsG

 

[conjur]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6871336/

The 13 votes against her confirmation was the highest number of no votes for a secretary of state since WW II.

 

[Genx87]

Did Boxer really bring up Martin Luther King in her babbling?

I wonder what MLK would have to say about an African American Women being rung through the ringer by these clowns.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Did Boxer really bring up Martin Luther King in her babbling?

I wonder what MLK would have to say about an African American Women being rung through the ringer by these clowns.

Keep on playing that race card.

He'd probably be right on-board criticizing her.

Read this

 

[Genx87]

Keep on playing that race card.

He'd probably be right on-board criticizing her.

lol that is grand coming from you. But I wasnt the one bringing up MLK, ask Boxer.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Keep on playing that race card.

He'd probably be right on-board criticizing her.

lol that is grand coming from you. But I wasnt the one bringing up MLK, ask Boxer.

Mentioning an anti-war activist is playing the race card?

 

[Genx87]

Mentioning an anti-war activist is playing the race card?

I am sure that was her intent. To bring up an anti-war activist named Martin Luther King Jr when dealing with a black appointee.

Day keeps getting better.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Mentioning an anti-war activist is playing the race card?

I am sure that was her intent. To bring up an anti-war activist named Martin Luther King Jr when dealing with a black appointee.

Day keeps getting better.

There you go again. You're trying to put race into this when it has nothing to do with the situation.

Lies, deception, misleading statements, unjust war.


Those things ring any bells?



I suppose you'll be playing the race card when Gonzales is questioned, too, eh?

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I wonder why Zell Miller (AKA TastesLikeChicken) didn't challenge these 13 to a duel?

"Spitballs Chris!"

Gee, this sounds like a call out to me.

 

[jlmadyson]

Originally posted by: conjur
Those brave Senators opposed:

Boxer
Kennedy
Levin
Durbin
Byrd
Kerry
Jeffords
Reed
Dayton
Akaka
Lautenberg
Harkin
Bayh

The influence of factious leaders may kindle a flame within their particular States, but will be unable to spread a general conflagration through the other States. A religious sect may degenerate into a political faction in a part of the Confederacy; but the variety of sects dispersed over the entire face of it must secure the national councils against any danger from that source. A rage for paper money, for an abolition of debts, for an equal division of property, or for any other improper or wicked project, will be less apt to pervade the whole body of the Union than a particular member of it; in the same proportion as such a malady is more likely to taint a particular county or district, than an entire State.

J. Madison, Fed 10

Yes, the flame is burning, but the wick is getting smaller and smaller.

I must admit HC is really lining herself up for 08. Got to love all this talk about religion, reducing abortions and supporting Condi. The liberal gone right. I can hear it now; "vote for the conservative- democrat." Good stuff.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I wonder why Zell Miller (AKA TastesLikeChicken) didn't challenge these 13 to a duel?

"Spitballs Chris!"

I'm sure he would if given the chance Give them spitballs and Zell pair of six-shooters. Sure he'd take a couple hits from the spitballs while reloading but....

^ the above is a fictional representation. No lives were threatened in the posting of this message. No animals were harmed in production - and remember - get your pet spayed or neutered.

CsG

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: conjur
Those brave Senators opposed:

Boxer
Kennedy
Levin
Durbin
Byrd
Kerry
Jeffords
Reed
Dayton
Akaka
Lautenberg
Harkin
Bayh

The influence of factious leaders may kindle a flame within their particular States, but will be unable to spread a general conflagration through the other States. A religious sect may degenerate into a political faction in a part of the Confederacy; but the variety of sects dispersed over the entire face of it must secure the national councils against any danger from that source. A rage for paper money, for an abolition of debts, for an equal division of property, or for any other improper or wicked project, will be less apt to pervade the whole body of the Union than a particular member of it; in the same proportion as such a malady is more likely to taint a particular county or district, than an entire State.

J. Madison, Fed 10

Yes, the flame is burning, but the wick is getting smaller and smaller.

I must admit HC is really lining herself up for 08. Got to love all this talk about religion, reducing abortions and supporting Condi. The liberal gone right. I can hear it now; "vote for the conservative- democrat." Good stuff.

She's certainly trying to position herself there. Luckily, she won't get far.

 

[joshw10]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: conjur
Those brave Senators opposed:

Boxer
Kennedy
Levin
Durbin
Byrd
Kerry
Jeffords
Reed
Dayton
Akaka
Lautenberg
Harkin
Bayh

The influence of factious leaders may kindle a flame within their particular States, but will be unable to spread a general conflagration through the other States. A religious sect may degenerate into a political faction in a part of the Confederacy; but the variety of sects dispersed over the entire face of it must secure the national councils against any danger from that source. A rage for paper money, for an abolition of debts, for an equal division of property, or for any other improper or wicked project, will be less apt to pervade the whole body of the Union than a particular member of it; in the same proportion as such a malady is more likely to taint a particular county or district, than an entire State.

J. Madison, Fed 10

Yes, the flame is burning, but the wick is getting smaller and smaller.

I must admit HC is really lining herself up for 08. Got to love all this talk about religion, reducing abortions and supporting Condi. The liberal gone right. I can hear it now; "vote for the conservative- democrat." Good stuff.

Compassionate Conservative

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I wonder why Zell Miller (AKA TastesLikeChicken) didn't challenge these 13 to a duel?

"Spitballs Chris!"

Gee, this sounds like a call out to me.

Me oh my oh! What would Shinerburke do?!?

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I wonder why Zell Miller (AKA TastesLikeChicken) didn't challenge these 13 to a duel?

"Spitballs Chris!"

I'm sure he would if given the chance Give them spitballs and Zell pair of six-shooters. Sure he'd take a couple hits from the spitballs while reloading but....

^ the above is a fictional representation. No lives were threatened in the posting of this message. No animals were harmed in production - and remember - get your pet spayed or neutered.

CsG

You're assuming he can actually hit anyone with his six-shooters while he's shaking from all of his pent-up rage and hostility.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I wonder why Zell Miller (AKA TastesLikeChicken) didn't challenge these 13 to a duel?

"Spitballs Chris!"

Gee, this sounds like a call out to me.

Me oh my oh! What would Shinerburke do?!?

Another poster got banned for it, so...