RIAA wants anti-virus software to filter pirated content

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Certainly NOT likely to ever be implemented, but anything that stops the rampant theft would be an improvement over the current "wide-open" system.

Ah hell. I forgot...ATOT thinks that stealing is OK...

Ripping a CD to my hard drive is not "stealing", burning a copy of a CD to use in my car is not "stealing", in fact pretty much anything I do with media I purchase is not "stealing" unless I copy and give/sell it to someone else or in some way profit from it. Even then it is copyright infringment, not "stealing" but I am sure the RIAA already has you convinced to buy into their line of BS.

They did say not ripping a copy was legal. They said in the video that had no objection to it.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
I really hope our next president does something regarding net neutrality in the right way that will shove a plug in the RIAA's butthole. Their crap is spewing everywhere lately at alarming rates.

http://www.digg.com/politics/N...eutrality_Barack_Obama
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9806707-7.html

He's also not the only presidential candidate to voice support for the rules. On the Democratic side, so have Sens. Joe Biden (D-Del.), Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) and Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.), former Democratic senator John Edwards, Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), and Democratic New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson.

Among the Republicans, former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee has also reportedly given a thumbs up to the idea, although some opponents of Net neutrality laws contend he was blindsided in a conference call with bloggers and questioned whether he was familiar enough with the issue to take a real stand. With only a few exceptions, however, Republicans have generally rejected proposals for Net neutrality regulations, arguing the market should be left to sort out complaints of discrimination and that new regulations will stifle investment in new broadband networks.
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Stifle investment? WTF? Anyway the line is pretty clearly drawn between the parties.

 

[manowar821]

How about a scanning program that removes all objects that you don't want there? Like viruses, spy-ware, malware, root-kits, and DRM protection?

**AA can burn in hell.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
I really hope our next president does something regarding net neutrality in the right way that will shove a plug in the RIAA's butthole. Their crap is spewing everywhere lately at alarming rates.

Vote Democrat and the RIAA will be a government agency withing 4 years.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Xavier434
I really hope our next president does something regarding net neutrality in the right way that will shove a plug in the RIAA's butthole. Their crap is spewing everywhere lately at alarming rates.

Vote Democrat and the RIAA will be a government agency withing 4 years.

I doubt that, but we'll see. I think the bigger issue will be how many people making the decisions which shape our first go at net neutrality are considerably tech savvy and experienced with the issue kind of like what Queasy was mentioning more so than whether it is a Republican or Democrat being Pres.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Xavier434
I really hope our next president does something regarding net neutrality in the right way that will shove a plug in the RIAA's butthole. Their crap is spewing everywhere lately at alarming rates.

Vote Democrat and the RIAA will be a government agency withing 4 years.

Hm... I'd always been under the impression that the GOP was generally considered to be more "in bed" with big business.
Either way, good job making sure this thread meets it's minimum required level of partisan hackery!

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Xavier434
I really hope our next president does something regarding net neutrality in the right way that will shove a plug in the RIAA's butthole. Their crap is spewing everywhere lately at alarming rates.

Vote Democrat and the RIAA will be a government agency withing 4 years.

That makes no sense... Bush's administration and Republicans have been more friendly to the media than I can imagine. Who deregulated the ownership regulations, who passed the DMCA?

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Xavier434
I really hope our next president does something regarding net neutrality in the right way that will shove a plug in the RIAA's butthole. Their crap is spewing everywhere lately at alarming rates.

Vote Democrat and the RIAA will be a government agency withing 4 years.

I don't know that party identification makes much difference with this. For reasons that remain unknown to me Republicans as well as Democrats both seem equally willing to do the bidding of the *AAs. At least with the Dems it makes a bit of sense given their support and connections with Hollywood but with the Repubs it makes no sense whatsoever since they are helping people that spend a large amount of time and money bashing them and trying to get them out of office. Just keep in mind that the DMCA was passed into law by a Republican controlled House and Senate.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Certainly NOT likely to ever be implemented, but anything that stops the rampant theft would be an improvement over the current "wide-open" system.

Ah hell. I forgot...ATOT thinks that stealing is OK...

Ripping a CD to my hard drive is not "stealing", burning a copy of a CD to use in my car is not "stealing", in fact pretty much anything I do with media I purchase is not "stealing" unless I copy and give/sell it to someone else or in some way profit from it. Even then it is copyright infringment, not "stealing" but I am sure the RIAA already has you convinced to buy into their line of BS.

Ah yes...the old strawman...

AFAIK, there's no problem with ripping a copy of a CD you own to your hard drive...the problem comes in when you allow others to download that music, or YOU download music that someone else legally owns (or has pirated themselves.)
Hell, I have copies of CD's that I legally own ripped onto my hard drive...but they don't get downloaded to anyone else via Limewire or any other P2P type of service.

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Certainly NOT likely to ever be implemented, but anything that stops the rampant theft would be an improvement over the current "wide-open" system.

Ah hell. I forgot...ATOT thinks that stealing is OK...

Ripping a CD to my hard drive is not "stealing", burning a copy of a CD to use in my car is not "stealing", in fact pretty much anything I do with media I purchase is not "stealing" unless I copy and give/sell it to someone else or in some way profit from it. Even then it is copyright infringment, not "stealing" but I am sure the RIAA already has you convinced to buy into their line of BS.

Ah yes...the old strawman...

AFAIK, there's no problem with ripping a copy of a CD you own to your hard drive...the problem comes in when you allow others to download that music, or YOU download music that someone else legally owns (or has pirated themselves.)
Hell, I have copies of CD's that I legally own ripped onto my hard drive...but they don't get downloaded to anyone else via Limewire or any other P2P type of service.

They did say not ripping a copy was legal. They said in the video that had no objection to it. that is towards the end of the video

Starts at 5:06

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: tyler811

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Certainly NOT likely to ever be implemented, but anything that stops the rampant theft would be an improvement over the current "wide-open" system.

Ah hell. I forgot...ATOT thinks that stealing is OK...

Ripping a CD to my hard drive is not "stealing", burning a copy of a CD to use in my car is not "stealing", in fact pretty much anything I do with media I purchase is not "stealing" unless I copy and give/sell it to someone else or in some way profit from it. Even then it is copyright infringment, not "stealing" but I am sure the RIAA already has you convinced to buy into their line of BS.

Ah yes...the old strawman...

AFAIK, there's no problem with ripping a copy of a CD you own to your hard drive...the problem comes in when you allow others to download that music, or YOU download music that someone else legally owns (or has pirated themselves.)
Hell, I have copies of CD's that I legally own ripped onto my hard drive...but they don't get downloaded to anyone else via Limewire or any other P2P type of service.

They did say not ripping a copy was legal. They said in the video that had no objection to it. that is towards the end of the video

Starts at 5:06

Wasn't there something about how the RIAA disapproves of creating a mixed CD even if it only consists of music that you legally ripped on to your hard drive? It's things like that which really get under my skin.

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: tyler811

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Certainly NOT likely to ever be implemented, but anything that stops the rampant theft would be an improvement over the current "wide-open" system.

Ah hell. I forgot...ATOT thinks that stealing is OK...

Ripping a CD to my hard drive is not "stealing", burning a copy of a CD to use in my car is not "stealing", in fact pretty much anything I do with media I purchase is not "stealing" unless I copy and give/sell it to someone else or in some way profit from it. Even then it is copyright infringment, not "stealing" but I am sure the RIAA already has you convinced to buy into their line of BS.

Ah yes...the old strawman...

AFAIK, there's no problem with ripping a copy of a CD you own to your hard drive...the problem comes in when you allow others to download that music, or YOU download music that someone else legally owns (or has pirated themselves.)
Hell, I have copies of CD's that I legally own ripped onto my hard drive...but they don't get downloaded to anyone else via Limewire or any other P2P type of service.

They did say not ripping a copy was legal. They said in the video that had no objection to it. that is towards the end of the video

Starts at 5:06

Wasn't there something about how the RIAA disapproves of creating a mixed CD even if it only consists of music that you legally ripped on to your hard drive? It's things like that which really get under my skin.

Well from what I understand is that they were pissed about the mixed cd because it was rippped and burned again to another cd.


Now in the video they do not say ripping is legal or illegal. They just say that they have no objection if you rip a cd for your own personal use.

 

[0roo0roo]

riaa wants big brother on your pc.
wonderful stuff.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: tyler811

Well from what I understand is that they were pissed about the mixed cd because it was rippped and burned again to another cd.


Now in the video they do not say ripping is legal or illegal. They just say that they have no objection if you rip a cd for your own personal use.

...which we should be able to do. It's not my fault that there are so many shitty players out there which scratch my disks and it is not my fault the disks are not made out of pure adamantium. Try calling Sony and asking them to replace your CD or DVD because their player scratched your disk....ya right. I should be allowed to make backups and I should be allowed to make mixed CDs or data mp3 disks to play in my car with no hassle. I sure as hell should not have to worry about any kind of big brother style security just so some record companies can make more money.

 

[BoomerD]

From the RIAA's website:

Copying CDs

It?s okay to copy music onto an analog cassette, but not for commercial purposes.

It?s also okay to copy music onto special Audio CD-R?s, mini-discs, and digital tapes (because royalties have been paid on them) ? but, again, not for commercial purposes.

Beyond that, there?s no legal "right" to copy the copyrighted music on a CD onto a CD-R. However, burning a copy of CD onto a CD-R, or transferring a copy onto your computer hard drive or your portable music player, won?t usually raise concerns so long as:

The copy is made from an authorized original CD that you legitimately own

The copy is just for your personal use. It?s not a personal use ? in fact, it?s illegal ? to give away the copy or lend it to others for copying.

The owners of copyrighted music have the right to use protection technology to allow or prevent copying.
Remember, it?s never okay to sell or make commercial use of a copy that you make.
Are there occasionally exceptions to these rules? Sure. A "garage" or unsigned band might want you to download its own music; but, bands that own their own music are free to make it available legally by licensing it. And, remember that there are lots of authorized sites where music can be downloaded for free. Better to be safe than sorry ? don?t assume that downloading or burning is legal just because technology makes it easy to do so.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
From the RIAA's website:

Copying CDs

It?s okay to copy music onto an analog cassette, but not for commercial purposes.

It?s also okay to copy music onto special Audio CD-R?s, mini-discs, and digital tapes (because royalties have been paid on them) ? but, again, not for commercial purposes.

Beyond that, there?s no legal "right" to copy the copyrighted music on a CD onto a CD-R. However, burning a copy of CD onto a CD-R, or transferring a copy onto your computer hard drive or your portable music player, won?t usually raise concerns so long as:

The copy is made from an authorized original CD that you legitimately own

The copy is just for your personal use. It?s not a personal use ? in fact, it?s illegal ? to give away the copy or lend it to others for copying.

The owners of copyrighted music have the right to use protection technology to allow or prevent copying.
Remember, it?s never okay to sell or make commercial use of a copy that you make.
Are there occasionally exceptions to these rules? Sure. A "garage" or unsigned band might want you to download its own music; but, bands that own their own music are free to make it available legally by licensing it. And, remember that there are lots of authorized sites where music can be downloaded for free. Better to be safe than sorry ? don?t assume that downloading or burning is legal just because technology makes it easy to do so.

Considering all of the new anti-piracy technology that the RIAA is requesting/supporting/pressuring along with the laws they wish to be made, it is very clear that what is listed in this quote is not where they would prefer the line to be drawn and they are actively trying to change it.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
From the RIAA's website:

Copying CDs

It?s okay to copy music onto an analog cassette, but not for commercial purposes.

It?s also okay to copy music onto special Audio CD-R?s, mini-discs, and digital tapes (because royalties have been paid on them) ? but, again, not for commercial purposes.

Beyond that, there?s no legal "right" to copy the copyrighted music on a CD onto a CD-R. However, burning a copy of CD onto a CD-R, or transferring a copy onto your computer hard drive or your portable music player, won?t usually raise concerns so long as:

The copy is made from an authorized original CD that you legitimately own

The copy is just for your personal use. It?s not a personal use ? in fact, it?s illegal ? to give away the copy or lend it to others for copying.

The owners of copyrighted music have the right to use protection technology to allow or prevent copying.
Remember, it?s never okay to sell or make commercial use of a copy that you make.
Are there occasionally exceptions to these rules? Sure. A "garage" or unsigned band might want you to download its own music; but, bands that own their own music are free to make it available legally by licensing it. And, remember that there are lots of authorized sites where music can be downloaded for free. Better to be safe than sorry ? don?t assume that downloading or burning is legal just because technology makes it easy to do so.

Or you could have just summed that up with "The RIAA does not recognize in any way the concept of Fair Use".

 

[nakedfrog]

From the RIAA's website:
[...]
Beyond that, there?s no legal "right" to copy the copyrighted music on a CD onto a CD-R. However, burning a copy of CD onto a CD-R, or transferring a copy onto your computer hard drive or your portable music player, won?t usually raise concerns so long as:
[...]

"So it's not legal, but we're willing to look the other way, because we care about YOU, the consumer!"

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

From the RIAA's website:
[...]
Beyond that, there?s no legal "right" to copy the copyrighted music on a CD onto a CD-R. However, burning a copy of CD onto a CD-R, or transferring a copy onto your computer hard drive or your portable music player, won?t usually raise concerns so long as:
[...]

"So it's not legal, but we're willing to look the other way until we feel another example needs to be made out of some college student by putting him in 10K+ debt for 12 songs, because we care about YOU, the consumer!"

fixed

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

From the RIAA's website:
[...]
Beyond that, there?s no legal "right" to copy the copyrighted music on a CD onto a CD-R. However, burning a copy of CD onto a CD-R, or transferring a copy onto your computer hard drive or your portable music player, won?t usually raise concerns so long as:
[...]

"So it's not legal, but we're willing to look the other way, because we care about YOU, the consumer!"

:laugh:

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
From the RIAA's website:

Copying CDs

It?s okay to copy music onto an analog cassette, but not for commercial purposes.

It?s also okay to copy music onto special Audio CD-R?s, mini-discs, and digital tapes (because royalties have been paid on them) ? but, again, not for commercial purposes.

Beyond that, there?s no legal "right" to copy the copyrighted music on a CD onto a CD-R. However, burning a copy of CD onto a CD-R, or transferring a copy onto your computer hard drive or your portable music player, won?t usually raise concerns so long as:

The copy is made from an authorized original CD that you legitimately own

The copy is just for your personal use. It?s not a personal use ? in fact, it?s illegal ? to give away the copy or lend it to others for copying.

The owners of copyrighted music have the right to use protection technology to allow or prevent copying.
Remember, it?s never okay to sell or make commercial use of a copy that you make.
Are there occasionally exceptions to these rules? Sure. A "garage" or unsigned band might want you to download its own music; but, bands that own their own music are free to make it available legally by licensing it. And, remember that there are lots of authorized sites where music can be downloaded for free. Better to be safe than sorry ? don?t assume that downloading or burning is legal just because technology makes it easy to do so.

I don't know why you are buddy buddy with the RIAA. Basically they are saying stuff like "Sure, you can distribute your own music, but NOBODY should download it because it might be illegal" (last paragraph) That is probably the exact same idea they would use if they got there way with antivirus and other forms of filtering "It is probably illegal so we wont allow it, however if an artist pays us, we will put him on a list that makes it ok for someone to download his song"

How, btw, is antivirus software to know the difference between a legitimately created mp3 and a pirated one? Or any filter for the matter. How is it supposed to know if a download is legal or illegal?

Nobody on this thread, or most threads that I have read, have proposed that it is allright to transfer media that you don't own yourself. What we are upset about is the fact that we assumed to have been. Just like the stupid no piracy video at the beginning of every dvd (come on, its not like it is way easy to rip a dvd. If you know how to do that and how to sell it, then you most assuredly know that piracy is illegal). The basic inference is always that every user of computers pirates and we want to stand up and say to you it is wrong and you should be ashamed.

Piracy is wrong, yes. Nobody is arguing agenst that. But most of the tactics used by the RIAA are just as wrong and undermining to our government as a mass distributer of illegal wares (even more so because they want us to be in a police state)

 

[ultimatebob]

I don't think that this goes far enough! I think that the AntiVirus software should automatically delete MP3's from independent artists, delete freeware software like OpenOffice and Firefox, and automatically bill your credit card for a replacement copy of Office 2007!

Maybe we can add a feature for the 2.0 version that searches for Linux systems and performs DoS attacks on them. We'll teach those damn hippies for not paying for everything on their computer!

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: BoomerD
From the RIAA's website:

Copying CDs

It?s okay to copy music onto an analog cassette, but not for commercial purposes.

It?s also okay to copy music onto special Audio CD-R?s, mini-discs, and digital tapes (because royalties have been paid on them) ? but, again, not for commercial purposes.

Beyond that, there?s no legal "right" to copy the copyrighted music on a CD onto a CD-R. However, burning a copy of CD onto a CD-R, or transferring a copy onto your computer hard drive or your portable music player, won?t usually raise concerns so long as:

The copy is made from an authorized original CD that you legitimately own

The copy is just for your personal use. It?s not a personal use ? in fact, it?s illegal ? to give away the copy or lend it to others for copying.

The owners of copyrighted music have the right to use protection technology to allow or prevent copying.
Remember, it?s never okay to sell or make commercial use of a copy that you make.
Are there occasionally exceptions to these rules? Sure. A "garage" or unsigned band might want you to download its own music; but, bands that own their own music are free to make it available legally by licensing it. And, remember that there are lots of authorized sites where music can be downloaded for free. Better to be safe than sorry ? don?t assume that downloading or burning is legal just because technology makes it easy to do so.

I don't know why you are buddy buddy with the RIAA. Basically they are saying stuff like "Sure, you can distribute your own music, but NOBODY should download it because it might be illegal" (last paragraph) That is probably the exact same idea they would use if they got there way with antivirus and other forms of filtering "It is probably illegal so we wont allow it, however if an artist pays us, we will put him on a list that makes it ok for someone to download his song"

How, btw, is antivirus software to know the difference between a legitimately created mp3 and a pirated one? Or any filter for the matter. How is it supposed to know if a download is legal or illegal?

Nobody on this thread, or most threads that I have read, have proposed that it is allright to transfer media that you don't own yourself. What we are upset about is the fact that we assumed to have been. Just like the stupid no piracy video at the beginning of every dvd (come on, its not like it is way easy to rip a dvd. If you know how to do that and how to sell it, then you most assuredly know that piracy is illegal). The basic inference is always that every user of computers pirates and we want to stand up and say to you it is wrong and you should be ashamed.

Piracy is wrong, yes. Nobody is arguing agenst that. But most of the tactics used by the RIAA are just as wrong and undermining to our government as a mass distributer of illegal wares (even more so because they want us to be in a police state)

It seems like just about every thread about downloading music, people come in to claim that it should be legal to distribute music without worrying about the RIAA.
I'm not buddy-buddy with them...hell, I've never dealt with them in any way, but I DO believe that when you buy a CD, you have the right to make copies for your personal use and rip it to your hard drive, but you are NOT allowed to sell/give those copies away to friends, nor permit anyone else to download the music you've ripped to your hard drive. THOSE activities are NOT included in "fair use." Those are stealing...plain and simple.
AFAIK, the RIAA isn't out to get anyone for the legal uses, only the illegal ones...

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Certainly NOT likely to ever be implemented, but anything that stops the rampant theft would be an improvement over the current "wide-open" system.

Ah hell. I forgot...ATOT thinks that stealing is OK...

No, "anything" that stops the rampant theft would NOT be an improvement over the current system. That's retarded. Lopping off people's arms would prevent shootings, is that a great idea?


Besides, the current system isn't exactly wide-open...plenty of companies install rootkits, spyware, things which make legally purchased CDs unplayable, and so on.

It is a problem, I agree. I have yet to hear of a good system for preventing piracy that isn't invasive and crippling for legitimate users, and much less so for pirates.

Originally posted by: BoomerD
AFAIK, the RIAA isn't out to get anyone for the legal uses, only the illegal ones...

Maybe not, but they tend to have a "scorched earth" policy on these things, and they don't mind collateral damage at all.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

DRM only hurts legit users.