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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Anubis
so the RIAA wants them to charge more i take it
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And they want some of the profits from the sale of iPods as well.
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iPods have NOTHING to do with the RIAA! Talk about freakin' stealing!! There are trying to steal someone else's money (% of iPod sales) by using heavy handed tactics! This is what's called "legal theft." Yeah, throw some kids in jail for downloading songs, but it's ok to put pressure on companies to milk them out of money they are NOT FREAKIN' ENTITLED TO!
 
After reading the article, they are correct that Ipods drive the sale of legal music and not the other way around.

If i got a Ipod i would possibly start buying legal music...
 
I don't have an adequate analogy to describe their greed. Perhaps fuedal princes or dukes?

They seem to be capitalizing in the newest round of court decisions. Now that downloading is ILLEGAL in nearly all forms of p2p, they want to tighten the screws on those that are paying.

The results are predictable.
 
Originally posted by: Gravity
I don't have an adequate analogy to describe their greed. Perhaps fuedal princes or dukes?

They seem to be capitalizing in the newest round of court decisions. Now that downloading is ILLEGAL in nearly all forms of p2p, they want to tighten the screws on those that are paying.

The results are predictable.
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Exactly.
 
Originally posted by: JackBurton
This guy is so full of crap it's not even funny.

'What if Jobs says 39 cents or 29 cents per download - what then?,' he said. 'The industry can say, OK we'll cut him off - very few people buy music from digital downloads.'
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They freakin' agreed to $0.99 per song! Jobs isn't lowering the freakin' price! And "very few people buy music from digital downloads?" If that is the case, why are they trying to jack up the price? Why such a big stink over a "few people?"
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My thoughts exactlly. The RIAA as their head so far up their a$$ they don't know which side of the fence they want to be on.

"music industry has let Apple get too much power in the digital downloads market."
A: How can they have "too much" power if they are "few people buy(ing) music from digital downloads"?
B: It says "(the) music industry has let Apple..." So you recogonize any problem is YOUR fault. Suck it up big boy.
 
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: dabuddha
Originally posted by: GeneValgene
haha need more bands like switchfoot

The bassist of Switchfoot is teaching fans how to disable the copy protection measures in the San Diego rock band's own CDs...
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:thumbsup:
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:thumbsdown:

If they are so cool, why do they have copy protection on their disc?
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Probably because they didn't manufacture the discs and their record company did and have to have it because they're under contract.
 
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
My thoughts exactlly. The RIAA as their head so far up their a$$ they don't know which side of the fence they want to be on.

"music industry has let Apple get too much power in the digital downloads market."
A: How can they have "too much" power if they are "few people buy(ing) music from digital downloads"?
B: It says "(the) music industry has let Apple..." So you recogonize any problem is YOUR fault. Suck it up big boy.
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Yep... busy pissing and moaning and suing people instead of setting up a good way to buy music online, so Apple did it instead, and now hindsight turns out to be 20/20, just like they say.
 
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: dabuddha
Originally posted by: GeneValgene
haha need more bands like switchfoot

The bassist of Switchfoot is teaching fans how to disable the copy protection measures in the San Diego rock band's own CDs...
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:thumbsup:
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:thumbsdown:

If they are so cool, why do they have copy protection on their disc?
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Because their crap label produces the CDs. :| I doubt the bands have ANY say so on how the CD is produced.
 
Originally posted by: Kelvrick
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: dabuddha
Originally posted by: GeneValgene
haha need more bands like switchfoot

The bassist of Switchfoot is teaching fans how to disable the copy protection measures in the San Diego rock band's own CDs...
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:thumbsup:
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:thumbsdown:

If they are so cool, why do they have copy protection on their disc?
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Probably because they didn't manufacture the discs and their record company did and have to have it because they're under contract.
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...and who signs those things you call contracts, the record comapny and _______________ (fill in the blank).

If the artist doesn't want to stand for copy protection (not that I think they should, they need to make a $ too), they why produce music on copy protected media?

Also, why make you fans commit a crime in breaking the copy protection?

If your going to make a stand on the issue, don't use your fans to do it.
 
The hypocrisy is amazing.

Wal-Mart does this with their suppliers, and you call Wal-Mart "evil."

Yet Jobs does this with his suppliers and he's a "hero."

The plain fact is, neither is good, nor bad. Both are looking out for their own interests. Who ever loses is who blinks first, or has the most to lose if the deal is broken.
 
there is no mention in that article of the RIAA

if you're going to post inflammatory material, at least try not to lie about it in your thread title.
 
Originally posted by: Amused
The hypocrisy is amazing.

Wal-Mart does this with their suppliers, and you call Wal-Mart "evil."

Yet Jobs does this with his suppliers and he's a "hero."

The plain fact is, neither is good, nor bad. Both are looking out for their own interests. Who ever loses is who blinks first, or has the most to lose if the deal is broken.
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I'm sorry, I have no problem with what either of them does. Also, wal-mart has a near monopsony on some of their suppliers, iTunes is FAR from a monopsony on music distribution in general, so your comparison doesn't hold water.
 
Originally posted by: five40
I can only hope they do. I think if the RIAA shuts down iTunes that they will finally fvck themselves over enough that the general public will boycott them. So no I don't really wanna see iTunes shut down, I just wanna see people finally boycott the RIAA for all its crap. Just think of the bad image the RIAA would have if they did this. It would be awesome. Dumbass greedy bastards.
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serious question: how do you boycott the RIAA?

don't buy from the artists and record labels that are associated with it?
 
Originally posted by: everman
Just google Define: Price Fixing
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Any agreement between business competitors regarding price is considered price fixing and is illegal in many countries.

Methods of price fixing can include,

* Agreements to adhere to a price book.
* Agreements to engage in cooperative price advertising.
* Agreements to standardize credit terms offered to purchasers.
* Agreements to use uniform trade-in allowances.
* Agreements to limit discounts.
* Agreements to discontinue free service or to fix any other element of prices.
* Agreements to adhere to previously announced prices and terms of sale.
* Agreements establishing uniform costs and markups.
* Agreements imposing mandatory surcharges.

American law is very specific that price fixing is only illegal if it happens via communication and specific agreement between firms. It is not illegal for firms to copy the price moves of a de facto market leader as is the case with prices of cereals and cigarettes. Critics say that this rule makes the government not able to stop the majority of price fixing which harms consumers.
 
Originally posted by: BriGy86
Originally posted by: five40
I can only hope they do. I think if the RIAA shuts down iTunes that they will finally fvck themselves over enough that the general public will boycott them. So no I don't really wanna see iTunes shut down, I just wanna see people finally boycott the RIAA for all its crap. Just think of the bad image the RIAA would have if they did this. It would be awesome. Dumbass greedy bastards.
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serious question: how do you boycott the RIAA?

don't buy from the artists and record labels that are associated with it?
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Goodjob answering your own question.
 
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Anubis
so the RIAA wants them to charge more i take it
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Yep. $1.50+ per song.
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f that

at 1$ per song a CD costs like 15$ thats like what they cost in the store, so its all even
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and yet no cost of making the cd material, jacket, plastic case.... and more people will buy one song than will buy the entire CD so they end up with even MORe money
 
Originally posted by: Amused
The hypocrisy is amazing.

Wal-Mart does this with their suppliers, and you call Wal-Mart "evil."

Yet Jobs does this with his suppliers and he's a "hero."

The plain fact is, neither is good, nor bad. Both are looking out for their own interests. Who ever loses is who blinks first, or has the most to lose if the deal is broken.
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How are the two comparable? This is like DVD software manufacturers demanding that Wal-Mart give them a cut of their DVD player sales because players trigger demand in software.
 
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Amused
The hypocrisy is amazing.

Wal-Mart does this with their suppliers, and you call Wal-Mart "evil."

Yet Jobs does this with his suppliers and he's a "hero."

The plain fact is, neither is good, nor bad. Both are looking out for their own interests. Who ever loses is who blinks first, or has the most to lose if the deal is broken.
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I'm sorry, I have no problem with what either of them does. Also, wal-mart has a near monopsony on some of their suppliers, iTunes is FAR from a monopsony on music distribution in general, so your comparison doesn't hold water.
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Wal-Mart is NOT the only retailer out there. Far from it. If a supplier CHOSES to sell solely to Wal-Mart, that is their CHOICE.

My comparison stands. This is nothing more, and nothing less than two retail outlets demanding a fixed price from their suppliers. That the very same people who find Wal-Mart "evil" for doing it, yet find Jobs a "hero" is hypocrisy at it's finest.
 
Originally posted by: Ipno
Originally posted by: BriGy86
Originally posted by: five40
I can only hope they do. I think if the RIAA shuts down iTunes that they will finally fvck themselves over enough that the general public will boycott them. So no I don't really wanna see iTunes shut down, I just wanna see people finally boycott the RIAA for all its crap. Just think of the bad image the RIAA would have if they did this. It would be awesome. Dumbass greedy bastards.
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serious question: how do you boycott the RIAA?

don't buy from the artists and record labels that are associated with it?
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Goodjob answering your own question.
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Ding ding.
 
Originally posted by: five40
Originally posted by: Ipno
Originally posted by: BriGy86
Originally posted by: five40
I can only hope they do. I think if the RIAA shuts down iTunes that they will finally fvck themselves over enough that the general public will boycott them. So no I don't really wanna see iTunes shut down, I just wanna see people finally boycott the RIAA for all its crap. Just think of the bad image the RIAA would have if they did this. It would be awesome. Dumbass greedy bastards.
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serious question: how do you boycott the RIAA?

don't buy from the artists and record labels that are associated with it?
Click to expand...


Goodjob answering your own question.
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Ding ding.
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i figured ALL record labels would be associated with it
 
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